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http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/23/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn

The dude should get hosed but I think Obama's comment borders on the ridiculous. Talk about damning someone with faint praise....... laugh

 

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Is Zimmerman Mexican? He looks Mexican.

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It's an election year, and Florida is one of the two largest pots still up for grabs.

Of course he was going to wade into it. His pandering is so painfully obvious that I think it might backfire, though.

 

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A Judge should find ZImmerman guilty and he should be hung from a tree by his neck.....

 

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paulg_68 posted:
Is Zimmerman Mexican? He looks Mexican.

thinking


Probably Dominican. Or Puerto Rican maybe. Possibly Cuban.

Florida actually has relatively few Mexicans.


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With a name like that I assumed he was jewish. 10 second google says his father is white, his mother is latina, and he was raised catholic.

 

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It's only a relevant question for Paul's GOTCHA! anyhow.

 

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He said this should concern every parent and that it should be thoroughly investigated and steps taken to see things like that don't happen again.


Pretty much what every one in the country is saying.


 

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I don't get it. What was the bad part of the video? I didn't find any of it troubling.

 

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paulg_68 posted:
Is Zimmerman Mexican? He looks Mexican.
I've been assuming (until correction) that he is of mixed Cuban descent. However, the collectivist left has long worked hard to exploit race to aggrandize their platform. It is contemptible, sad and wantonly war mongering for the fires that it starts. It should be enough to just prosecute Zimmerman for his crime and leave it to the judge for sentencing, but that isn't enough, certain camps needs to whip up hysteria and a frenzy over the actions of an obvious bigot and menace.

 

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paulg_68 posted:
Is Zimmerman Mexican? He looks Mexican.

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He is Hispanic, not Caucadian

 

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A Judge should find ZImmerman guilty and he should be hung from a tree by his neck.....

 

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Babbabbleabblediblippitybabbleculturalmarxisbabbledybippleborpleblap.

 

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There are laws against lynching people. rolling_eyes

 

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And we still do not know if Zimmerman did anything wrong.

 

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It should be enough to just prosecute Zimmerman for his crime and leave it to the judge for sentencing, but that isn't enough


Only they aren't even doing this much.

 

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And we still do not know if Zimmerman did anything wrong.


No, but we definitely know he did enough to get arrested, and should have been. Instead they let him go on his own sayso while they drug tested the dead kid. plain

 

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Meanwhile, the Republican candidates, are saying pretty much the same thing Obama said...



Mitt Romney and Rick Santorum both commented on the Trayvon Martin case Friday, shortly after President Obama weighed in.
In a statement, Romney said: "What happened to Trayvon Martin is a tragedy. There needs to be a thorough investigation that reassures the public that justice is carried out with impartiality and integrity.”
Asked by a reporter about the shooting, Santorum went further, condemning local law enforcement for dragging its feet in arresting Martin's shooter.
"It's a horrible case, and it's chilling to hear what happened," Santorum said. "And of course the fact that law enforcement didn't immediately go after and prosecute this case is another chilling example of horrible decisions made by people in this process."
He continued: "I think it's pretty clear the problems we're seeing in this case, and hopefully the state Attorney General and local community is reacting and responding, and hopefully this matter will be an example of what law enforcement has to do in a case like this."
Newt Gingrich commented on the case Thursday night, calling it a tragedy to CNN's Piers Morgan, and defending the controversial gun law that has been spotlighted by the killing.

 

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Ashmaele posted:
Aerlinthian posted:
It should be enough to just prosecute Zimmerman for his crime and leave it to the judge for sentencing...
Only they aren't even doing this much.
And we both agree that there is a serious problem with that, I assume.

 

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I thought the USA was the 'Innocent until proven guilty.' country - most of you and yopur politicians are vigilante mongering.


Shame on all of you.



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Lead headline on drudge:

Accused killer 'spanish-speaking minority with many black family members and friends'...

 

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Oh for crap's sake. Of course he's white. He can't be racist if he isn't white.

Imagine all you old ladies crackling over the most irrelevant point. Something to consider;

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for common sense!

Here is the logic statement.

Zimmerman is racist.
Only whites can be racist.
Therefore Zimmerman is white.

And he shot a boy who could have been the President's son!

 

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Uh innocent until proven guilty is about your rights in court, not your right not to ever be arrested when you shoot an unarmed teenager dead after having followed them.

 

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Ashmaele posted:
Lead headline on drudge:

Accused killer 'spanish-speaking minority with many black family members and friends'...


Apparently RWNs still don't see the humor in the "I have black friends!" defense.

 

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this kid was out buying candy while on vacation. he did nothing wrong.

a racist confronted him and killed him.

there was no reason for the confrontation - the kid had done nothing wrong and there was no reason to even call the police to harrass him.

the saying

"black in public"

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And the Sheriff's office that didn't arrest him has a history of racial issues.

I bet those clowns wish they had arrested the guy now. The sheriff has resigned and they are getting all sorts of Federal and Media attention. Heads are going to roll and Mr. Zimmerman is going to jail.

Which I think he should. If you read the details he shot this kid for no reason. Unless the kid attacked him with a licorice whip.

 

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Seems like there are two possible scenarios.

(1)

- Zimmerman set out to harass an innocent kid.
- Zimmerman escalated the confrontation until it turned violent on both sides.
- Zimmerman shot and killed the kid.

This is murder.

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(2)

- Zimmerman set out to harass an innocent kid.
- The kid escalated the confrontation until it turned violent on both sides.
- Zimmerman realized he was in over his head and shot the kid in order to save himself.

This is something short of murder. I don't know what crime it would be but it should be a crime.

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wait a minute? Zimmerman killed a muslim kid from Nigeria? grin

 

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What's funny about the drudge headline is that it proves projection.

Drudge is the type of guy who traffics in the "You don't think non-white people are capable of being racist". Yet here he is trying to pretend there's some sort of distinction if he's white or not as if that invalidates any charges of racism in this case.

 

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paulg_68 posted:
Seems like there are two possible scenarios.

(1)

- Zimmerman set out to harass an innocent kid.
- Zimmerman escalated the confrontation until it turned violent on both sides.
- Zimmerman shot and killed the kid.

This is murder.

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(2)

- Zimmerman set out to harass an innocent kid.
- The kid escalated the confrontation until it turned violent on both sides.
- Zimmerman realized he was in over his head and shot the kid in order to save himself.

This is something short of murder. I don't know what crime it would be but it should be a crime.

coffee



Pretty much. But, apparently, no innocent kid wears a hoodie. At least, not according to Geraldo. " But I am urging the parents of black and Latino youngsters particularly to not let their children go out wearing hoodies. I think the hoodie is as much responsible for Trayvon Martin’s death as George Zimmerman was."

 

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The argument that minorities can't be racist because they don't have power has long been used by the left. It's been their rallying cry for a long time.

We're about to divide by zero on this issue!

 

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Zimmerman is described by family as a multiracial Hispanic. His appearance is clearly that of a Latino/Mestizo individual.

On March 16th, the Sanford police department released new details to the Orlando Sentinel. Once again, these details have been ignored or changed by the media.

The witness reports that George Zimmerman was on the ground and Trayvon is on top of him punching him.
The witness says that George Zimmerman was screaming and yelling for help.
Police arrive and find Zimmerman bleeding on his face and the back of his head. He also has had grass stains on his back. All this confirms the story told by Zimmerman and the witness.
Police play the 911 tape for Trayvon Martin's father, who tells police that the voice screaming is not the voice of his son.


Lets just hang a possibly innocent Hispanic! silly

 

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How could it have gone down that Zimmerman was innocent? He set out to harass an innocent kid which instigated the whole scenario. Best case is Zimmerman was guilty of harassment.

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Consider this - Zimmerman had a gun. The kid was on vacation buying candy for his brother.

Zimmerman was out looking for trouble and he found it.

There is no law against walking down the street while black or wearing a hoodie. Zimmerman (remember, a man with a loaded weapon) was out looking for trouble.

All of this is zimmerman's fault and in this situation, the only danger to society was Zimmerman.

If a man comes up to someone and yells "f'ing coon,. what you doing on my street!?" then that's a indication that Zimmerman was the aggressor and the kid would've been legally right to kill Zimmerman (in self-defense). Unfortunately only the aggressor had the gun in this scenario.

 

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My understanding of that Florida Stand Your Ground law is that Trayvon was perfectly justified in using up to deadly force on Zimmerman if he was scared of Zimmerman. I mean, the guy followed him around in a vehicle for a while, then got out of the vehicle and started following him. What would our intrepid Outposters do if that had happened to them?





 

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I agree with you - it seems like only Trayvon is justified by the standard of the stand your groud law/self-defense; The aggressor is by act of aggression not acting in self-defense.

 

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Calling a cop sounds about right.

 

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Yet Zimmerman was walking away when he got attacked from behind. Bashed in the head from BEHIND and beat down to the ground where he recieved a bloody nose while yelling for help.


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Well, under Florida's retarded law that wouldn't necessarily mean Zimmerman did anything wrong. You could have a stupid legal system where both parties are allowed to kill the other one no matter who starts it because it becomes self defense for both of them at some point.

Knowing how stupid Florida is I wouldn't put it past that state.

 

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Yet Zimmerman was walking away when he got attacked from behind. Bashed in the head from BEHIND and beat down to the ground where he recieved a bloody nose while yelling for help.


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Where's your source?

 

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Yet Zimmerman was walking away when he got attacked from behind. Bashed in the head from BEHIND and beat down to the ground where he recieved a bloody nose while yelling for help.


rolling_eyes


He deserved it if it happened. Dont go up to a random stanger while armed with a loaded gun and accuse him of doing wrong. Dont call the police on random strangers. The facts show that the kid was confronted only because he was black - he had done nothing wrong. Zimmerman should mind his own business - common sense 101. Of course, Zimmerman had a gun so he was a 'big guy' and wasn't afraid to confront people. This is why idiots shouldn't be allowed to carry weapons.

 

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Yet Zimmerman was walking away when he got attacked from behind. Bashed in the head from BEHIND and beat down to the ground where he recieved a bloody nose while yelling for help.


rolling_eyes


Where's your source?



Among the key points in the report, the detectives claim it was actually prosecutors who advised them they did not have enough evidence to win a manslaughter conviction.
The investigators said George Zimmerman, the man who shot Martin, told them initially that he did get out of his car to follow Martin on foot, but the 17-year-old came at him.
The two got into a fight, and when they were on the ground, Zimmerman claimed Martin hit him in the face and that Zimmerman began yelling for help, the investigators said.
Police said Zimmerman's account, which was corroborated by witnesses, indicates Martin was the aggressor.
There have also been differing accounts about whom witnesses heard crying for help that night, but the lead detective on the case says he played a recording of that voice for Martin's father and the Miami man said the voice was not his son's.

http://www.wesh.com/r/30692415/detail.html

 

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Yet Zimmerman was walking away when he got attacked from behind. Bashed in the head from BEHIND and beat down to the ground where he recieved a bloody nose while yelling for help.


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He deserved it if it happened. Dont go up to a random stanger while armed with a loaded gun and accuse him of doing wrong. Dont call the police on random strangers. The facts show that the kid was confronted only because he was black - he had done nothing wrong. Zimmerman should mind his own business - common sense 101. Of course, Zimmerman had a gun so he was a 'big guy' and wasn't afraid to confront people. This is why idiots shouldn't be allowed to carry weapons.




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Such false outrage.


The sycophants are out dragging this dead child to bring themselves glory.

 

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Yet Zimmerman was walking away when he got attacked from behind. Bashed in the head from BEHIND and beat down to the ground where he recieved a bloody nose while yelling for help.


rolling_eyes


He deserved it if it happened. Dont go up to a random stanger while armed with a loaded gun and accuse him of doing wrong. Dont call the police on random strangers. The facts show that the kid was confronted only because he was black - he had done nothing wrong. Zimmerman should mind his own business - common sense 101. Of course, Zimmerman had a gun so he was a 'big guy' and wasn't afraid to confront people. This is why idiots shouldn't be allowed to carry weapons.


eodoll: WHITE PEOPLE BAD!!!
reality: Umm, the dude wasn't white.
eodoll: RACISM!!!!
reality: Umm, the kid attacked first
eodoll: 2ND AMENDMENT BAD!!!
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I already have issues with the Concealed Carry permits. My thinking had been people that have them only need to protect themselves because they are looking for trouble and by virtue of that fact are exactly the people that shouldn't have them (except may PIs). So this Zimmerman here is doing exactly what he shouldn't be, he is following random people around and harrassing them. He killed a child in a confrontation that should never have happened and then the police didn't even really investigate or even arrest him.

The police pressed charges on a guy who offered some girls a ride but Zimmerman shoots and kills and black kid after 911 told him to stop and he's still allowed to be free? He was told not to confront him and he ignored it.

edit: If you can only make your case by putting lies for what i've written then it proves that you have absolutely no case.

 

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I keep reading this guy is supposedly going to get off because of the whole stand your ground law...

Yet the guy that helped write it says no part of the law allows you to pursue a confrontation with someone, its (supposedly) written for only defending yourself... we know for a fact the guy pursued the kid.. so Im at a loss as to why he is still free.

 

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The kid shouldn't have been scoping out houses to rob!

 

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I keep reading this guy is supposedly going to get off because of the whole stand your ground law...

Yet the guy that helped write it says no part of the law allows you to pursue a confrontation with someone, its (supposedly) written for only defending yourself... we know for a fact the guy pursued the kid.. so Im at a loss as to why he is still free.



What makes stand your ground work here is the fact that the guy walked away and didnt initiate the fight.

Also stop calling this a child or kid. He was a 6'2" 17 year old teenager. Not some 13 year old child like the old pictures the media keep showing.

 

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Many people are perfectly willing to ignore the fact that following someone is not illegal.

 

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Many people are perfectly willing to ignore the fact that following someone is not illegal.


And apparently some people are perfectly willing to ignore the fact that that is irrlevant.

 

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Many people are perfectly willing to ignore the fact that following someone is not illegal.

Harassing an innocent person is though.

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Many people are perfectly willing to ignore the fact that following someone is not illegal.

Harassing an innocent person is though.

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It is acceptable to follow someone you suspect of having committed a crime.

 

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It's illegal to harass an innocent person though.

This kid was innocent and Zimmerman had no valid reason to suspect him of committing a crime. His suspicion was based purely on bias.

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It's illegal to harass an innocent person though.

This kid was innocent and Zimmerman had no valid reason to suspect him of committing a crime. His suspicion was based purely on bias.

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You don't know any of that for sure. All you know is what others have been screaming.

 

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Many people are perfectly willing to ignore the fact that following someone is not illegal.

Harassing an innocent person is though.

coffee


It is acceptable to follow someone you suspect of having committed a crime.


If someone followed my son or daughter around - my first thought would be that the 'follower' is a pedophile or kidnapper or some other kind of crazy. It wouldn't be - that guy is 'a good samaritan'. If I was walking down the street and somebody started following me, I'd either turn around and say 'what the f*** are you doing!' or Id pull out my cellphone and call 911 asking for help.

It seems like this is a scenario where the stand your grond law is designed to protect the person being followed.

 

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The police are trying to cover their behinds, so, they are releasing the selective bits of information that bolster their claim that Zimmerman did nothing wrong.

Apparently, no one saw anything but the tail end of the actual confrontation. The kid was killed in a back yard. If Zimmerman had really been walking away, why did it happen in a back yard? Also, the kid was on the phone with his girl friend at the time. He asked the guy...why are you following me? Certainly implies that Zimmerman was still following him.

It's possible that Zimmerman followed the kid into the back yard, then, turned around and walked away, then the kid attacked him. Seems a bit unlikely, but, certainly not beyond the realm of possibility. That seems like the kind of thing a Grand Jury, at the very least, should be deciding, though.

 

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You don't know any of that for sure. All you know is what others have been screaming.

I suppose it's possible that the kid was shooting a firearm in the air and carrying a pillowcase full of silver, but I'm not sure why no one has bothered to mention it.

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I haven't followed the story much, but why didn't the kid call the cops?

 

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I haven't followed the story much, but why didn't the kid call the cops?


He is dead, we can't ask him.

 

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Yet Zimmerman was walking away when he got attacked from behind. Bashed in the head from BEHIND and beat down to the ground where he recieved a bloody nose while yelling for help.


rolling_eyes


Where's your source?



Among the key points in the report, the detectives claim it was actually prosecutors who advised them they did not have enough evidence to win a manslaughter conviction.
The investigators said George Zimmerman, the man who shot Martin, told them initially that he did get out of his car to follow Martin on foot, but the 17-year-old came at him.
The two got into a fight, and when they were on the ground, Zimmerman claimed Martin hit him in the face and that Zimmerman began yelling for help, the investigators said.
Police said Zimmerman's account, which was corroborated by witnesses, indicates Martin was the aggressor.
There have also been differing accounts about whom witnesses heard crying for help that night, but the lead detective on the case says he played a recording of that voice for Martin's father and the Miami man said the voice was not his son's.

http://www.wesh.com/r/30692415/detail.html



You're basing your argument almost entirely on Zimmermans word? So far, evidence and common sense is pointing towards exactly the opposite of what he's now claiming. And the father has already stated the opposite of what the "lead detective" is stating regarding the phone call.



As an aside, he broke almost every rule of neighborhood watches: http://www.wmfe.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=12579&news_iv_ctrl=1041


Zimmerman sounds like one of those wanna-be-cops that join a citizens patrol and thinks he's hot shit and wanted to be like The Zohan or something.




 

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You don't know any of that for sure. All you know is what others have been screaming.

I suppose it's possible that the kid was shooting a firearm in the air and carrying a pillowcase full of silver, but I'm not sure why no one has bothered to mention it.

coffee


If the kid was on top of Zimmerman punching him in the face then Zimmerman isn't guilty of anything.

If not, then Zimmerman is certainly guilty of something.

Jumping to conclusions doesn't help anything or anyone. Hell, even OJ was innocent...

 

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I suppose it's possible that the kid was shooting a firearm in the air and carrying a pillowcase full of silver, but I'm not sure why no one has bothered to mention it.

The fiat currency backers in the Federal Reserve are keeping the pillowcase full of silver part suppressed. alien_2 grin

 

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I haven't followed the story much, but why didn't the kid call the cops?


He is dead, we can't ask him.
Well you seem to know everything else about this case including what was everyone's intent. I figured you'd know this as well. Apparently you do have limitations. wink

 

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If the kid was on top of Zimmerman punching him in the face then Zimmerman isn't guilty of anything.

Really? So if I attack you and you get the upper hand for 1 second and I shoot you, I can claim self defense because I shot you during the brief moment you had the upper hand?

Even if you say yes, that doesn't mean Zimmerman isn't guilty of anything. It would just mean that by your definition he isn't guilty of murder. There are any number of other crimes he could be guilty of.

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[quote=Grymlo]Yet Zimmerman was walking away when he got attacked from behind. Bashed in the head from BEHIND and beat down to the ground where he recieved a bloody nose while yelling for help.


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Where's your source?



Among the key points in the report, the detectives claim it was actually prosecutors who advised them they did not have enough evidence to win a manslaughter conviction.
The investigators said George Zimmerman, the man who shot Martin, told them initially that he did get out of his car to follow Martin on foot, but the 17-year-old came at him.
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Police said Zimmerman's account, which was corroborated by witnesses, indicates Martin was the aggressor.
There have also been differing accounts about whom witnesses heard crying for help that night, but the lead detective on the case says he played a recording of that voice for Martin's father and the Miami man said the voice was not his son's.

http://www.wesh.com/r/30692415/detail.html

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You're basing your argument almost entirely on Zimmermans word?



Did you miss the part about multiple eyewitnesses?

 

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I suppose it's possible that the kid was shooting a firearm in the air and carrying a pillowcase full of silver, but I'm not sure why no one has bothered to mention it.

The fiat currency backers in the Federal Reserve are keeping the pillowcase full of silver part suppressed. alien_2 grin

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If the kid was on top of Zimmerman punching him in the face then Zimmerman isn't guilty of anything.

Really? So if I attack you and you get the upper hand for 1 second and I shoot you, I can claim self defense because I shot you during the brief moment you had the upper hand?

Even if you say yes, that doesn't mean Zimmerman isn't guilty of anything. It would just mean that by your definition he isn't guilty of murder. There are any number of other crimes he could be guilty of.

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I'm guessing harrasment, disorderly conduct, assualt, assault with a deadly weapon, etc... police love throwing charges.

 

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If the kid was on top of Zimmerman punching him in the face then Zimmerman isn't guilty of anything.


Not really true. If the kid was on top of Zimmerman punching him in the face because Zimmerman attacked him Zimmerman is guilty of manslaughter at the least and probably murder.

 

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I'm guessing


Yup. That's all anyone is doing right now...

 

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Let me get this straight.

This guy (who had a gun):



Was getting pounded by this guy (who had skittles):



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i notice this guy's picture keeps getting whiter.

 

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It's illegal to harass an innocent person though.

This kid was innocent and Zimmerman had no valid reason to suspect him of committing a crime. His suspicion was based purely on bias.
You don't know any of that for sure.
Zimmerman called 911, and that call recording has been released. There is absolutely no doubt that his suspicion was based purely on bias. Worse, the dispatcher told him repeatedly to stop following the kid.

 

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i notice this guy's picture keeps getting whiter.


laugh

 

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I'm wondering now, if anything short of Zimmerman going to prison will be acceptable anymore. With the president even weighing in on the issue, it doesn't seem to me as if there is any other outcome that will not cause mass riots.

 

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i notice this guy's picture keeps getting whiter.


laugh


I read that as getting wider. grin

 

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If Zimmerman had followed him done the driveway with his gun drawn, and the kid had tackled him in self-defense, would you still claim Zimmerman was blameless and it was all the kid's fault?

As far as we know, he might have had the gun drawn. Or reached for it when the kid asked him why he was following him.

We can all speculate as much as we want. But, there are all sorts of plausible scenarios which show that Zimmerman committed a serious crime. Certainly enough doubt that it should go before a Grand Jury.




 

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I think Zimmerman needs to go to jail - the question will be one of 'intent'. Did he intend to kill him or was it all a mess that he started that went horribly wrong because of his mental problems. Zimmerman will need to prove that he didn't intend to kill him - the fact that he had his gun on him, didn't heed the warnings of the 911 dispatcher, and called him a racial slur does not bode well but you never know.

 

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It doesn't matter what the 911 operator told him, they aren't sworn officers.

 

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True, the 911 dispatchers are not authorities - but it shows that ignorance is not an excuse... he's been on neighborhood watch and he was warned not to confront him. So that kind of shows a bit of intent - he intended to confront him while carrying a loaded weapon. The next question will be, did he intend to assault him. We have already established intent to confront.

 

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It doesn't matter what the 911 operator told him, they aren't sworn officers.


Sure it does. It shows he was not only mistaken but actively didn't pay attention to someone trying to talk some sense into him. It may not have been a crime to disobey the 911 operator but that doesn't mean it doesn't matter.

You truly have the strangest ideas about criminal law.

 

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Pretending we don't know the particulars of this case is willful ignorance. We know enough to make a judgement

http://www.thegrio.com/specials/trayvon-martin/trayvon-martin-shooting-timeline-leaves-many-unanswered-questions.php


Once the kid ran and Zimmerman chased him, the kid was actually entitled to defend himself. It doesn't matter what the Kid did when Zimmerman found him as he was just entitled to 'stand his ground' as Zimmerman was.

Obama is right to use the bully pulpit to make hay about this. Not only out of a sense of common decency, but the safety of US citizens as well. This is big trouble brewing.

 

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I'm not sure why Grymlo keeps citing eye witnesses. No one was on the scene until after the kid was dead.

And Vydor, it really doesn't matter that some people won't be satisfied until Zimmerman sees prison. That's normal. A kid died, his parents will want the man who killed him to see prison. Hell he could be found innocent of any crime. or at least acquitted, and people still won't be satisfied, and it still doesn't matter. What people are justified in asking for is a full investigation of this case that doesn't just shrug and take Zimmerman's word that he was justified in killing the kid. Which is what the police did.

Beyond the question of whether Zimmerman did something wrong, is the bigger question of did the Sanford police do something wrong. And that isn't so much of a question. A narcotics (not homicide) officer questioned (not took testimony) Zimmerman. He was released that night, his gun was never taken as evidence, he was never subjected to a drug and alcohol screening, which is proper procedure. They failed to locate the phone call of the kid talking to his girlfriend. If there isn't enough evidence to prosecute, there's reason enough to believe that its the fault of the police.

Also regardless of Zimmerman's actual ethnic background, the police reported his ethnicity as white. Which could speaks to the reason Sanford police didn't do their job investigating. It's not evidence, but its doesn't paint them in the best light.

 

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Yukishiro1 posted:
Bonzoboy1 posted:
It doesn't matter what the 911 operator told him, they aren't sworn officers.


Sure it does. It shows he was not only mistaken but actively didn't pay attention to someone trying to talk some sense into him. It may not have been a crime to disobey the 911 operator but that doesn't mean it doesn't matter.

You truly have the strangest ideas about criminal law.




A lot of times, decisions on guilt or innocence come down to...what would a reasonable person do in this situation? That the dispatcher asked him to stand down and wait for the police certainly implies that that is what a reasonable person would do.

 

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Yukishiro1 posted:
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It doesn't matter what the 911 operator told him, they aren't sworn officers.


Sure it does. It shows he was not only mistaken but actively didn't pay attention to someone trying to talk some sense into him.
It is not often I agree so completely with Yuki.

The determining factor of whether this was a justifiable defensive shooting or not will be the objective test - whether a reasonable and prudent person would reach the same conclusions Zimmerman did. Given that he was being told repeatedly that what he was doing was a really bad idea? Yea - does not pass that test.

 

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I'm wondering now, if anything short of Zimmerman going to prison will be acceptable anymore. With the president even weighing in on the issue, it doesn't seem to me as if there is any other outcome that will not cause mass riots.
Oh yeah he has to go to prison. The truth doesn't really matter (whatever that is) anymore.

 

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I'm not sure why Grymlo keeps citing eye witnesses. No one was on the scene until after the kid was dead.


He's probably going to www.kkk.com and www.aryannation.com for his info because I haven't seen that anywhere. It also doesn't make logical sense.....the guy followed him around all worried about what he was up to...then just turned his back? raised_brow

The story I saw is that the kid was on the phone with his GF and that recording doesn't speak well for Zimmerman.

And if you look at the two people I refuse to believe a full grown man, with gun and all hyped up with suspicion suddenly turned his back so a 17 year old kid that was half his size could jump him.



With skittles.


 

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mexican shoots black guy ..who gives a flying F ...White Mexican Shoots Black Kid now we got something.....



black child shot in white racist neighborhood YA YA thats it KILL THE racist BASTERD !!!





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Why are you so racist Blue_Sparrow?

 

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hoodie will get your ass shot !! ..dont wear a hoodie !!



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Hes not white

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vn_nnanji posted:
Remnant_OBrien posted:
I'm not sure why Grymlo keeps citing eye witnesses. No one was on the scene until after the kid was dead.


He's probably going to www.kkk.com and www.aryannation.com for his info because I haven't seen that anywhere. It also doesn't make logical sense.....the guy followed him around all worried about what he was up to...then just turned his back? raised_brow

The story I saw is that the kid was on the phone with his GF and that recording doesn't speak well for Zimmerman.

And if you look at the two people I refuse to believe a full grown man, with gun and all hyped up with suspicion suddenly turned his back so a 17 year old kid that was half his size could jump him.



With skittles.







He's 6'2" granted only like a buck forty but I am sure he looks like an adult.

 

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I'm not sure why Grymlo keeps citing eye witnesses. No one was on the scene until after the kid was dead.



and you would be wrong.

There were eye witnesses on the phone with 911 and watching as it unfolded enough to tell the cops that the kid was the one who started the physical fight.

 

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I'm not sure why Grymlo keeps citing eye witnesses. No one was on the scene until after the kid was dead.



and you would be wrong.

There were eye witnesses on the phone with 911 and watching as it unfolded enough to tell the cops that the kid was the one who started the physical fight.


Any links?


 

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He's 6'2" granted only like a buck forty but I am sure he looks like an adult.


Why are you sure? You mean "even though he looks like a kid in his picture?" raised_brow

Feel free to find out if that's a dated photo but I don't think it is. He was a skinny 17 year old kid. He looks about as dangerous as a Jonas brother.

 

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vn_nnanji posted:
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He's 6'2" granted only like a buck forty but I am sure he looks like an adult.


Why are you sure? You mean "even though he looks like a kid in his picture?" raised_brow

Feel free to find out if that's a dated photo but I don't think it is. He was a skinny 17 year old kid. He looks about as dangerous as a Jonas brother.


Except he's black. Which means he scares the crap out of most Outposters and many Americans. plain

 

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Grymlo posted:
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I'm not sure why Grymlo keeps citing eye witnesses. No one was on the scene until after the kid was dead.



and you would be wrong.

There were eye witnesses on the phone with 911 and watching as it unfolded enough to tell the cops that the kid was the one who started the physical fight.


Any links?





Would it really matter?

 

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Obviously not to you. You've been defending the guy right left and center even though pretty much everything you say is wrong. grin

 

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When there is no conviction I don't think this guy will live a week.

 

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Yes links.

Something other than www.whitepower.com.

 

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Police said Zimmerman's account, which was corroborated by witnesses, indicates Martin was the aggressor.


Are you retards having issues understanding something so simple? I already linked this.

 

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If you read your own source it says the witness herself disagrees with what the police claim she said. grin

 

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Police said Zimmerman's account, which was corroborated by witnesses, indicates Martin was the aggressor.


Are you retards having issues understanding something so simple? I already linked this.


There's a leap going from the police saying the witnesses back up Zimmerman's claim of self-defense...which isn't quite accurate, itself...to your saying eyewitnesses saw the whole thing going down...which is not true as far as I can tell.

The only eyewitness account I've seen says he saw someone in a white T-Shirt on top of someone wearing a red shirt. The kid was wearing a gray hoody. Also, if Zimmerman had pulled a gun on him, or, even acted threateningly, the kid is perfectly justified in defending himself. Is that what happened? I don't know. Was what Zimmerman says happen what happened? I don't know. Elements of Zimmerman's story don't make sense, though. So, put the case in front of a Grand Jury.


 

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Police said Zimmerman's account, which was corroborated by witnesses, indicates Martin was the aggressor.


Are you retards having issues understanding something so simple? I already linked this.


and did she see zimmerman chasing and following him for however long. If thats not aggressive behaviour....

 

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The truth doesn't really matter
Yea let's look at that shall we?

  1. He initiated the entire encounter.
  2. He was warned repeatedly by competent persons to not do what he was doing.
  3. He had a 100 pound weight advantage over the super dangerous kid with the bag of skittles.
  4. There is no way any reasonable or objective observer can see a physical confrontation between these two as anything but one sided in Zimmerman's favor.
  5. Whether the kid started the fight or not, that STILL does not justify the use of deadly force. THAT requires a fear of grave bodily harm - and there's no way an unarmed 140 pound kid generates that kind of fear.
He is and should be going to prison for responding with deadly force - as deadly force was clearly not justifiable.

If you think otherwise, listen to Massad Ayoob. He is probably the most respected authority on use of deadly force in the United States:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qW_xaTf5oqI

 

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Koneg posted:
Tych2 posted:
The truth doesn't really matter
Yea let's look at that shall we?

  1. He initiated the entire encounter.
  2. He was warned repeatedly by competent persons to not do what he was doing.
  3. He had a 100 pound weight advantage over the super dangerous kid with the bag of skittles.
  4. There is no way any reasonable or objective observer can see a physical confrontation between these two as anything but one sided in Zimmerman's favor.
  5. Whether the kid started the fight or not, that STILL does not justify the use of deadly force. THAT requires a fear of grave bodily harm - and there's no way an unarmed 140 pound kid generates that kind of fear.
He is and should be going to prison for responding with deadly force - as deadly force was clearly not justifiable.

If you think otherwise, listen to Massad Ayoob. He is probably the most respected authority on use of deadly force in the United States:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qW_xaTf5oqI
Yeah I don't care Koneg. Argue with someone that cares. I know next to nothing about this case. People are screaming for blood. Even if the truth is known it won't matter.

 

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The dude had a history of overreacting and calling police every time someone farted too loud. He was basically following this kid around certain he was up to to good, calling 911 and insisting the kid was up to something. He was armed.

Then he suddenly turned his back and let down his guard and this kid started wailing on him.

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I'm not sure why Grymlo keeps citing eye witnesses. No one was on the scene until after the kid was dead.



and you would be wrong.

There were eye witnesses on the phone with 911 and watching as it unfolded enough to tell the cops that the kid was the one who started the physical fight.


They have other 911 recordings from that night.. including one with screaming audible. In those calls all of the people were too afraid to go look and see what was going on.

 

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The story I saw is that the kid was on the phone with his GF and that recording doesn't speak well for Zimmerman.




he was on the phone wiht his GF.. but i don't believe there is a recording. It is only her testimony.

 

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What I read said that she had it recorded.

 

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The story I saw is that the kid was on the phone with his GF and that recording doesn't speak well for Zimmerman.




he was on the phone wiht his GF.. but i don't believe there is a recording. It is only her testimony.


Testimony we wouldn't have had from the police investigation because they never bothered to check the phone. Or talk to her.

 

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Police said Zimmerman's account, which was corroborated by witnesses, indicates Martin was the aggressor.


Are you retards having issues understanding something so simple? I already linked this.



Your link has the witness disputing the police department's claims about her statement.

 

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if you dont care then why post in this particular thread? just to let us know you dont care?

dont you think it's a natural assumption that youre interested in this topic if youre posting in the thread.

 

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If you must know I didn't care to argue with Mr. Know-it-all. If you don't want to read my opinions. I suggest you ignore them. Simple solution for you eodoll. did I piss in your corn flakes or something. This is the second time in as many thread you feel the need to scold me for something that has nothing to do with you.

 

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What I read said that she had it recorded.


well i hadn't seen that anywhere. In any case, the police department never interviewed her, even though she and her parents called the police to offer her testimony.

Oh also add to the list of things the police never did was make Zimmerman go to the hospital to examine any injuries...

 

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And Vydor, it really doesn't matter that some people won't be satisfied until Zimmerman sees prison. That's normal. A kid died, his parents will want the man who killed him to see prison. Hell he could be found innocent of any crime. or at least acquitted, and people still won't be satisfied, and it still doesn't matter. What people are justified in asking for is a full investigation of this case that doesn't just shrug and take Zimmerman's word that he was justified in killing the kid. Which is what the police did.


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I know people want an investigation, but I think it's to the point now, where the outcome has already been decided with the masses, and anything short of Zimmerman doing hard time or death will be unacceptable.

 

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That's what happens when a police department totally mangles an investigation on a case as sensitive as this one.

 

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if you dont care then why post in this particular thread? just to let us know you dont care?

dont you think it's a natural assumption that youre interested in this topic if youre posting in the thread.


Are you new here?

 

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That CNN 911 tape of him mumbling Fing c*ons could cook him if the FBI comes back saying the same thing.


http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/03/did-george-zimmerman-use-a-racial-slur/254925/

 

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He's 6'2" granted only like a buck forty but I am sure he looks like an adult.


Why are you sure? You mean "even though he looks like a kid in his picture?" raised_brow

Feel free to find out if that's a dated photo but I don't think it is. He was a skinny 17 year old kid. He looks about as dangerous as a Jonas brother.


The picture they keep showing on the MSM websites is definitely a dated photo. A 2 second search on Facebook and you can find a newer photo and he looks much older.

I would link it but I'm on my cell phone and I honestly don't care to prove you wrong.

 

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Yeah I don't care Koneg. Argue with someone that cares. I know next to nothing about this case.
Oh I see. So.. the truth doesn't matter to you. Got it.

 

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Obama and the other hate mongers love events like this. Lets them stir up the base.

 

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Yeah I don't care Koneg. Argue with someone that cares. I know next to nothing about this case.
Oh I see. So.. the truth doesn't matter to you. Got it.

It doesn't matter to the people that are screaming for blood. Did you not read what I typed? I think I am beginning to see one of your problems.

 

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People aren't screaming for blood. They are screaming for an arrest.

 

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Meanwhile, in New Orleans
http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2012/03/unarmed_man_shot_by_new_orlean.html

"New Orleans police officials confirmed Thursday that the 20-year-old man who was fatally shot by a plain-clothed narcotics officer during a drug raid at a Gentilly house a day earlier was unarmed. New Orleans police officer Joshua Colclough, 28, fired a single shot Wednesday evening that killed Wendell Allen, 20. Police officials were guarded in their comments about the shooting Thursday, citing the ongoing investigation."

I have no clue the race of the officer.

 

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In reading up on Zimmerman, I don't think he's a racist in the way folks generally mean when they call someone a racist. He didn't appear to have a problem with black folks in general, just with young black males. And, it's not even clear if it was just young black males or young unknown to him males.

Going way into speculation territory, it wouldn't surprise me if he had something like Asperger's Syndrome, or, maybe, another mild form of autism, or, maybe, the slightly mentally impaired kind of guy who really is fixated on order and routine.

He was constantly calling the police about pot holes, or warning neighbors about their garage doors being up, or young kids being close to high ways. You get the sense that he had a very strong concept of what his neighborhood should be like and got a bit stressed out when it didn't match expectations. That's consistent with Aspergers or mild impairment.

Of course, with very limited information about the guy, this is, as I say, very speculative.


 

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http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/witness-martin-attacked-zimmerman-03232012

awkward...

 

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cabbyman posted:http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/witness-martin-attacked-zimmerman-03232012

awkward...


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if the witness account is accurate, it still wouldn't change the fact that ZImmerman initiated the conflict... you're not allowed to shoot someone you start a conflict with if you end up losing.

 

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Still not buying it.

 

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I would link it but I'm on my cell phone and I honestly don't care to prove you wrong.


Honestly my ass. You've posted twice and even from your phone. Try that "I really don't care" noob trick on someone who hasn't seen it from every other noob who posts repeatedly then claims not to care. rolling_eyes

And you can't prove me wrong. There are no pics that don't make this kid look like a 17 year old high school kid. Because....that's what he was.

The only thing I could be wrong about is if the kid decided to defend himself after being chased by some nutjob he didn't know. I'm not buying that yet either. Most of the evidence points to one person looking for trouble and it wasn't the 17 year old high school kid.

 

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So the eyewitness that suddenly came forward after the fact gives evidence that suggests Zimmerman was getting punched and so he killed the kid? I don't think that helps Zimmerman's cause given the rest of the info in this fine thread.

I'm curious as to how this will all play out though.

 

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awkward...


Irrelevant. There should still be an arrest.

 

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[quote=Yukishiro1][quote=Grymlo]Yet Zimmerman was walking away when he got attacked from behind. Bashed in the head from BEHIND and beat down to the ground where he recieved a bloody nose while yelling for help.


rolling_eyes


Where's your source?



Among the key points in the report, the detectives claim it was actually prosecutors who advised them they did not have enough evidence to win a manslaughter conviction.
The investigators said George Zimmerman, the man who shot Martin, told them initially that he did get out of his car to follow Martin on foot, but the 17-year-old came at him.
The two got into a fight, and when they were on the ground, Zimmerman claimed Martin hit him in the face and that Zimmerman began yelling for help, the investigators said.
Police said Zimmerman's account, which was corroborated by witnesses, indicates Martin was the aggressor.
There have also been differing accounts about whom witnesses heard crying for help that night, but the lead detective on the case says he played a recording of that voice for Martin's father and the Miami man said the voice was not his son's.

http://www.wesh.com/r/30692415/detail.html

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You're basing your argument almost entirely on Zimmermans word?



Did you miss the part about multiple eyewitnesses? [/quote]

That's why i said almost. wink The police, in this case, aren't exactly the ones to be trusting either. Even if Zimmerman turns out to be innocent, there is certainly more investingating, and possibly an arrest, than what would have happened if public outcry didn't come into play. That's really what we're talking about here. And you seem to be indicating that everything went as it should have. The more that comes out, the less that seems to be the case.

 

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This story keeps changing. I am starting to think they had no reason to arrest Zimmerman. Martin was kicked out of school. He was staying with dad so he was a new black kid in the area. It appears that the whole complex is private property in a HOA. There had been break ins with young blacks being seen in the area. So that explains Zimmermans interest in following him.

Next we will be hearing more and more about martin. Like
http://www.wagist.com/2012/dan-linehan/was-trayvon-martin-a-drug-dealer



 

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Zimmerman should have sprinkled some crack on him.

 

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Still not buying it.


When the news as a whole changes their shift that will mean they've found actual evidence.

 

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This story keeps changing. I am starting to think they had no reason to arrest Zimmerman. Martin was kicked out of school. He was staying with dad so he was a new black kid in the area. It appears that the whole complex is private property in a HOA. There had been break ins with young blacks being seen in the area. So that explains Zimmermans interest in following him.

Next we will be hearing more and more about martin. Like
http://www.wagist.com/2012/dan-linehan/was-trayvon-martin-a-drug-dealer






Yup

http://gma.yahoo.com/trayvon-martin-shooter-told-cops-teenager-went-gun-030349812--abc-news.html

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I would link it but I'm on my cell phone and I honestly don't care to prove you wrong.


Honestly my ass. You've posted twice and even from your phone. Try that "I really don't care" noob trick on someone who hasn't seen it from every other noob who posts repeatedly then claims not to care. rolling_eyes

And you can't prove me wrong. There are no pics that don't make this kid look like a 17 year old high school kid. Because....that's what he was.

The only thing I could be wrong about is if the kid decided to defend himself after being chased by some nutjob he didn't know. I'm not buying that yet either. Most of the evidence points to one person looking for trouble and it wasn't the 17 year old high school kid.








Much different then what's been shown on the news eh?


Remember it was dark out, Trayvon is 6'2" and walking around in an area that is private property where he is not known.


And no I didn't care enough to go through the work of linking to the that picture when I posting on my phone, sorry you get all butt hurt when proven wrong.


It's easy to act like judge, jury and executioner when sitting behind your computer.



ed: This is the photo that every major news source shows:

 

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Much different then what's been shown on the news eh?



Actually I've seen that picture down here on our local news many, many times.

 

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ZOMG HE HAS HIS HOOD UP! LOCK AND LOAD!

By the way, that's one of the pictures the media HAS been using. Not necessarily the innocent yearbook pic they've been getting the most mileage out of, but it's made the rounds.

 

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I don't watch the news only read it and when I first heard about this and read it on cnn.com they used the picture of him in the red shirt.

 

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This is the photo that every major news source shows:


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I don't watch the news only read it and when I first heard about this and read it on cnn.com they used the picture of him in the red shirt.


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This is the photo that every major news source shows:


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I don't watch the news only read it and when I first heard about this and read it on cnn.com they used the picture of him in the red shirt.


...really?





So now cnn.com and foxnews.com aren't major news sources?


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So now cnn.com and foxnews.com aren't every major news source?


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Fixed that for you.

Also I'm pretty sure I did see that pic on cnn.com at some point. If nothing else it's been prominently featured in the signs being carried by protesters. If the protesters are willing to use it I don't think it's having the effect you think it does.

 

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ed: This is a photo that every major news source shows:


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So now cnn.com and foxnews.com aren't every major news source?


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Fixed that for you.

Also I'm pretty sure I did see that pic on cnn.com at some point. If nothing else it's been prominently featured in the signs being carried by protesters. If the protesters are willing to use it I don't think it's having the effect you think it does.



You can add Msnbc to that list as well.


Should I keep going?


You can argue semantics all you want, but at night a 6' 3" 150 pound 17 year old is going to look a lot like an adult. Not the baby faced child the media wants you to believe got shot.

 

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So now cnn.com and foxnews.com aren't every major news source?


rolling_eyes

Fixed that for you.

Also I'm pretty sure I did see that pic on cnn.com at some point. If nothing else it's been prominently featured in the signs being carried by protesters. If the protesters are willing to use it I don't think it's having the effect you think it does.



You can add Msnbc to that list as well.


Should I keep going?


You can argue semantics all you want, but at night a 6' 3" 150 pound 17 year old is going to look a lot like an adult. Not the baby faced child the media wants you to believe got shot.



Which would make it more likely that Zimmerman would draw his gun when following him into an alley.


 

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I'm not arguing that the MSM used the picture you showed. In fact I'm agreeing with you that it's been used quite prominently.

I'm telling you you're a dumbass for believing the picture of him in the hoodie makes him look even remotely menacing, let alone worthy of being shot. And you're a dumbass for not knowing that the hoodie picture has been used by the MSM, which your survey of every major news source (i.e., foxnews.com and cnn.com) failed to detect.

 

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Where did I say he was worthy of being shot? I pointed out that the MSM continue to show a picture that is obviously dated. That's it.


Obviously the policy and the DA's office in Sanford know something more then we do... Zimmerman hasn't been arrested.


 

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Much different then what's been shown on the news eh?


Ummm, no. Not at all. Not only have I seen it on the news but I fail to see what you see. It's basically the same kid with his hood up. He doesn't look older and he doesn't look one bit more menacing. He looks like he should be skateboarding.

 

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Much different then what's been shown on the news eh?


Ummm, no. Not at all. Not only have I seen it on the news but I fail to see what you see. It's basically the same kid with his hood up. He doesn't look older and he doesn't look one bit more menacing. He looks like he should be skateboarding.





You don't see the difference between that photo and the other one I posted?

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Dude.....can you read? I will repeat myself just this once.

Yes I do see the difference. His hood is up. And..............?

He does not look one day older or one bit more menacing. If this was the photo you were talking about STFU and stop being a clown.

Otherwise I will send a pic of me with my hood up to scare you.

 

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Geraldo...""I think the hoodie is as much responsible for Trayvon Martin’s death as George Zimmerman was." "

O'Reilly, agreeing with Geraldo..."“If you dress like a wannabe gangster, some knucklehead is going to take you at your word and a tragedy is going to result.”


Two wannabe gangsters out hanging with the homies at a game. It's amazing they made it home alive.




Oh, apparently, Fox News removed hoodies from their online store after the fuss about Geraldo's comment. laugh

 

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Once Geraldo is on the scene the circus is in full swing.

 

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Wrong. Where is your girlfriend Nancy Grace?

 

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Wrong. Where is your girlfriend Nancy Grace?


She's out donating her hoodies to Goodwill.


 

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Wrong. Where is your girlfriend Nancy Grace?


With any luck buried in a shallow grave in some New Jersey landfill.

 

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I'm as scared of black youths as the next guy. Especially when they look extra blackish. but I still don't think you should be able to shoot them.

 

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Much different then what's been shown on the news eh?


Ummm, no. Not at all. Not only have I seen it on the news but I fail to see what you see. It's basically the same kid with his hood up. He doesn't look older and he doesn't look one bit more menacing. He looks like he should be skateboarding.





You don't see the difference between that photo and the other one I posted?

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Demonic, you find this picture threatening?

 

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I'm as scared of black youths as the next guy. Especially when they look extra blackish. but I still don't think you should be able to shoot them.


Why not?

 

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Dude.....can you read? I will repeat myself just this once.

Yes I do see the difference. His hood is up. And..............?

He does not look one day older or one bit more menacing. If this was the photo you were talking about STFU and stop being a clown.

Otherwise I will send a pic of me with my hood up to scare you.


You have to look a certain why before you are a real threat?

 

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I'm as scared of black youths as the next guy. Especially when they look extra blackish. but I still don't think you should be able to shoot them.


Why not?


You make a convincing argument...

 

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Demonic, you find this picture threatening?




well he does have a grumpy face. I never get in an elevator with a man with a grumpy face. that's evolution's way of keeping me from getting raped.

 

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You should be able to shoot anyone that is slamming your head into the pavement.

 

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Demonic, you find this picture threatening?





No.. I never said or mentioned the word threatening. All I said was that they are 2 totally different looking pictures. That's all.


You guys really love to try and twist words to your liking.





 

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Well you don't want to looking for one with an empty gun!

 

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Demonic, you find this picture threatening?





No.. I never said or mentioned the word threatening. All I said was that they are 2 totally different looking pictures. That's all.


You guys really love to try and twist words to your liking.





rolling_eyes Ok then how are they different? Other than his hood being up.

 

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Or you could not go looking for confrontations with a loaded weapon.


Walking is not a crime. flag

 

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Demonic, you find this picture threatening?





No.. I never said or mentioned the word threatening. All I said was that they are 2 totally different looking pictures. That's all.


You guys really love to try and twist words to your liking.





rolling_eyes Ok then how are they different? Other than his hood being up.



He's probably 3 years older and probably a foot taller.

 

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Walking is not a crime. flag




Yeah, but walking while black is suspicious.

 

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This thread delivers and can be summed up like this:

'HE'S A RACIST!'

[facts of the case start coming out]

'WELL, THOSE FACTS CAN'T BE RIGHT!'

Even IF I am following someone, if (in Florida) he decks me to the ground and hammers my head against the pavement and I feel my life is in danger, I don't think about the color of his skin before I defend myself. Stop being racists dicks.

 

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Demonic, you find this picture threatening?





No.. I never said or mentioned the word threatening. All I said was that they are 2 totally different looking pictures. That's all.


You guys really love to try and twist words to your liking.





rolling_eyes Ok then how are they different? Other than his hood being up.



He's probably 3 years older and probably a foot taller.[/quote]

laugh laugh laugh

How do you tell how tall he is from a photo of his head?

The sad thing is I know you're not trolling. Floundering for sure but you actually believe the crap you spew.

Even 3 years older is BS but taller. OMG ur right. His face looks a lot taller than it did in the other head shot!

 

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This thread delivers and can be summed up like this:

'HE'S A RACIST!'

[facts of the case start coming out]

'WELL, THOSE FACTS CAN'T BE RIGHT!'

Even IF I am following someone, if (in Florida) he decks me to the ground and hammers my head against the pavement and I feel my life is in danger, I don't think about the color of his skin before I defend myself. Stop being racists dicks.


How about when you call him a:



Are you thinking about his color then?

 

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Or you could not go looking for confrontations with a loaded weapon.


Walking is not a crime. flag




Yeah, but walking while black is suspicious.



Everyone is black in the dark.

 

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Something to ponder. If he grew almost a foot in three years, which it seems like he did, he is probably very clumsy. Takes a while to adjust to a new height. He also probably subconsciously thinks of himself as being a small kid.

I was always one of the smallest kids in my class. I was 4'10" and 85# in 8th grade. I was almost 6 feet tall and 150# in 11th grade. And clumsy. And I still had the mind set of being a little kid. It takes a few years to adjust, both mentally and physically.

Meanwhile, even in that photo, where he is trying to look all tough and macho, he doesn't look very tough or macho. He looks like an ordinary 17 year old.


 

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