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I'll move to Florida and become neighborhood watch!
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Wall Street.. I'd fit right in, I'd not even have to change my wardrobe or my hairstyle.
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Testerion posted:
I'll move to Florida and become neighborhood watch!
So much stink about this case. The guy was hit from behind, the back of his head had a laceration and blood coming out, he had a bloody nose and was scuffled up with grass stains on his pants. He felt his life was being threatened and shot the punk ass kid.
The only thing he did wrong was that he didnt stop following the thug when asked to by the 911 operator.
Yes, the stand your ground law needs to be changed but this isnt going to go anywhere if they follow the law the way it stands now.
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Grymlo posted:
So much stink about this case. The guy was hit from behind, the back of his head had a laceration and blood coming out, he had a bloody nose and was scuffled up with grass stains on his pants. He felt his life was being threatened and shot the punk ass kid.
And hopefully he'll go to prison.
You cannot initiate an encounter and then try to claim self-defense. 
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Yeah, chasing a kid down, then shooting him when he defends himself from you isn't a protected right....not even in Florida, not even with that stupid law they have there.
The law allows you to stand your ground (not chase them down), it also allows you to use equal force (not shoot an unarmed child).
Back to the subject of the OP. When I go totally psycho, I wont move to Florida, I'll simply bring Florida to wherever I'm currently living. 
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Koneg posted:
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So much stink about this case. The guy was hit from behind, the back of his head had a laceration and blood coming out, he had a bloody nose and was scuffled up with grass stains on his pants. He felt his life was being threatened and shot the punk ass kid.
And hopefully he'll go to prison.
You cannot initiate an encounter and then try to claim self-defense.
According to the police report, eyewitnesses stated Zimmerman was attacked from behind.
He might have followed the kid but he didnt initiate the violence.
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According to the police report, eyewitnesses stated Zimmerman was attacked from behind.
He might have followed the kid but he didnt initiate the violence.
He initiated the encounter. He didn't have to follow the kid in the first place.
Worse, there's a significant disparity of force here. Zimmerman is 200+ pounds. The teenager was a buck-forty soaking wet. The kid had a far better justification for lethal force than Zimmerman had.
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Dont think being 200lbs matters when you are bashed in the head from behind and dazed.
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Dont think being 200lbs matters when you are bashed in the head from behind and dazed.
You keep telling yourself that if you want. Doesn't make it true.
I carry a gun every day. I have, of necessity, had a lot of training in Use of Force laws. Washington is almost identical to Florida.
In a one-on-one encounter there is no way a ~140 pound teenager can represent a significant threat of "great bodily harm" to a 200+ pound man. This is the minimum level of perceived threat that is required before you can lawfully respond with deadly force.
Reminder: Great Bodily Harm is generally defined as, at minimum, broken bones level of damage to your person. A bag of Skittles wielded by a skinny-ass teenager simply does not pass the smell test.
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Ok how about you let me bash the back of your head once and we will see just how much it matters. According to eyewitnesses Zimmerman was walking away when he got hit in the back of the head which left a laceration with bleeding. He also had a bloodied nose. Plus im willing to bet i know a 150lb fighter who could kick a 250lb punks ass in a heart beat. Size doesnt matter, especially when you get sucker punched.
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Ok how about you let me bash the back of your head once with a bag of skittles
Question: Do I get to shoot you afterwards?
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Hell if I was being followed in a dark alley by a suspicious guy thats 200lbs heavier than me I would prolly decide offense is best defense too.
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Koneg posted:
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Ok how about you let me bash the back of your head once with a bag of skittles
Question: Do I get to shoot you afterwards?
You realize the kid is 6'2" right? He wasnt some skinny little pussy cat. I doubt he was hit in the back of the head with skittles. Stop being a dumbass and check the facts out.
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You realize the kid is 6'2" right?
... and 140 pounds. THINK about that combination for a second. He was a damn toothpick.
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Well, it actually would matter if he was walking away. Even if he was the initial aggressor, if he terminated the encounter and was walking away, things reset in terms of the law. If you then get attacked you can legitimately exercise your right to self defense.
This is the sort of thing that should go to trial. Not be up to some random police officer to figure out. There was clearly enough cause to arrest the guy.
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Well, it actually would matter if he was walking away. Even if he was the initial aggressor, if he terminated the encounter and was walking away, things reset in terms of the law. If you then get attacked you can legitimately exercise your right to self defense.
This is the sort of thing that should go to trial. Not be up to some random police officer to figure out. There was clearly enough cause to arrest the guy.
Agreed if Florida didnt have this POS stand your ground law.
Same thing happened to us here locally where i live a few months back that i worked on. White guy confronts black guy to try to quiet down his dog. White guy walks away, black guy comes up behind and starts beating the shit out of white guy. While white guy is on ground getting kicked and screaming for help he manages to pull gun out for which he has a conceal license for and plus the black guy 3 in the chest, 1 in the abd. With witnesses and statements white guy goes to hospital and released later that day. Black guy we kept alive to the hospital but died an hour later....pierced aorta. Where was the uproar on this case?
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Testerion posted:
Hell if I was being followed in a dark alley by a suspicious guy thats 200lbs heavier than me I would prolly decide offense is best defense too.
Word!
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Koneg posted:
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You realize the kid is 6'2" right?
... and 140 pounds. THINK about that combination for a second. He was a damn toothpick.
I dont see why this matters? The guy got a blind jump on the hispanic dude and beat the piss out of him while all the hispanic dude was doing was defending himself and calling for help.
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do you live in florida?
no?
shut up
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Grymlo posted:
So much stink about this case. The guy was hit from behind, the back of his head had a laceration and blood coming out, he had a bloody nose and was scuffled up with grass stains on his pants. He felt his life was being threatened and shot the punk ass kid.
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do you live in florida?
no?
shut up
Yes i live in Florida.
ZOMG grass stains!
Yep just pointing out consistencies that the eye witnesses, zimmerman and the cops keep putting out there that you dumbass gun hating libtards cant seem to fathom.
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Grymlo posted:
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do you live in florida?
no?
shut up
Yes i live in Florida.
ZOMG grass stains!
Yep just pointing out consistencies that the eye witnesses, zimmerman and the cops keep putting out there that you dumbass gun hating libtards cant seem to fathom.
not directed at only you.
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There is a lot of violence in Florida.
I think it's the heat and the humidity. Makes people crazy.
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Koneg posted:
In a one-on-one encounter there is no way a ~140 pound teenager can represent a significant threat of "great bodily harm" to a 200+ pound man.
You smoke entirely too much crack.
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Grymlo posted:
Yep just pointing out consistencies that the eye witnesses, zimmerman and the cops keep putting out there that you dumbass gun hating libtards cant seem to fathom.
As a reminder, I'm not a libtard, and since I carry a gun I can hardly be described as gun hating.
I'd also like to point out that I'm usually the one backing the gun-user and justifying their actions... except when that gun user was clearly and obviously in the wrong.
Like this time.
The fact that without exception I've ultimately been proven right in every one of those previous use-of-force debates? You've probably just blocked that painful memory out.
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I wonder if the laceration was from the iced tea can that Trayvon had. I haven't seen it mentioned much, just the bag of Skittles.
Also was the coroner's report released yet? I am curious to know where he was shot, that could show a lot as well.
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Grymlo posted:
Yep just pointing out consistencies that the eye witnesses, zimmerman and the cops keep putting out there that you dumbass gun hating libtards cant seem to fathom.
I don't hate guns. I hate idiots with guns, and the idiots who defend their right to shoot unarmed kids.
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If he started to fight the guy and the guy used the gun to defend himself Obama and all the black leaders will look stupid
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They already look stupid.
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