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I always use mine anyway, but why

 

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Because they want to take away our freedoms

 

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They passed it under the same type of "think of the children" or "you not being safe costs us all money" bullcrap.

The reality is that it gives them an almost iron clad reason to pull a lot of people over to check their cars for other illegal activity.

And it's a cash cow for them.

 

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so they can pull over crackheads who forget to buckle and put them in jail.

 

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they don't like cleaning up dead bodies from people who get launched out of their windshield b/c they didn't put a seatbelt on.

and it makes money for them.

 

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Probable cause
Cheaper to clean up an accident without picking up bodies

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Also the prison industry. Half the people inside prison I bet are nothing more than people who forgot to put on their seat belt. When does not using a safety harness make someone a criminal?

 

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Subject: Why can they ticket you for not wearing a seatbelt?
I guess legally they can because you are operating a vehicle on public roads.

As for benefits beyond personal safety, perhaps seat belts can make it easier for the emergency responders and doctors who try to save your life. It also encourages the public to be more serious about driving safety.

 

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So they can combine it with every other control law to strip away your sense of freedom and slowly guide you into an eternal pit of doom otherwise known as the liberal-neocon police state. It's not long until peeing without a permit will guide a hellfire missile up your butt, but feel free to remain ignorant like the rest of the porridge eating cattle.

 

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the_great_intex posted:
Also the prison industry. Half the people inside prison I bet are nothing more than people who forgot to put on their seat belt. When does not using a safety harness make someone a criminal?


I think you're on to something. Seatbelts are the new pot. I'll be sure to blog about this to get the word out.

 

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So they can combine it with every other control law to strip away your sense of freedom and slowly guide you into an eternal pit of doom otherwise known as the liberal-neocon police state. It's not long until peeing without a permit will guide a hellfire missile up your butt, but feel free to remain ignorant like the rest of the porridge eating cattle.



Life must be very tough for you, having to live daily under "their" rules and laws. Oppression's a bitch, eh? tongue

 

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i was unaware that cattle ate porridge. do they eat it hot?

 

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Also this post was inspired by the south park episode about the toilet safety administration (TSA)

 

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regulations the people who built the roads require... dont like it move to NH.

 

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Subject: Why can they ticket you for not wearing a seatbelt?
It just seems odd. Like, all other road laws are more about the fact that you are putting other people in danger: speeding, being an idiot, being reckless, being drunk, not stopping at a stop sign/light, not putting your turn signal on, your brake lights or turn signals not working.

But me putting my seatbelt on is a choice that only affects my own safety.


In that thinking, why don't they ticket me every time I walk outside without a helmet on?

 

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Stormyblade posted:
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So they can combine it with every other control law to strip away your sense of freedom and slowly guide you into an eternal pit of doom otherwise known as the liberal-neocon police state. It's not long until peeing without a permit will guide a hellfire missile up your butt, but feel free to remain ignorant like the rest of the porridge eating cattle.



Life must be very tough for you, having to live daily under "their" rules and laws. Oppression's a bitch, eh? tongue


What makes you think I live under anyone's rules or laws but my own? And yes, oppression is a cruel and unforgiving bitch.

 

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It just seems odd. Like, all other road laws are more about the fact that you are putting other people in danger: speeding, being an idiot, being reckless, being drunk, not stopping at a stop sign/light, not putting your turn signal on, your brake lights or turn signals not working.

But me putting my seatbelt on is a choice that only affects my own safety.


In that thinking, why don't they ticket me every time I walk outside without a helmet on?



They could if they wanted to. Be careful, you're starting to sound like a libertarian.

 

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Money, projectiling after a crash into the road causing more crashes, money.

For the record i always use mine and won't let anyone else ride unless they use them either.

 

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TickyAtack posted:
It just seems odd. Like, all other road laws are more about the fact that you are putting other people in danger: speeding, being an idiot, being reckless, being drunk, not stopping at a stop sign/light, not putting your turn signal on, your brake lights or turn signals not working.

But me putting my seatbelt on is a choice that only affects my own safety.


In that thinking, why don't they ticket me every time I walk outside without a helmet on?



Because it is a choice that actually does affect others in the vehicle or on the road around you. Without your seatbelt on, you turn into a projectile and a hazard. I did a research paper that initially was meant to argue against seatbelt laws for that very reason, but the facts simply didn't back it up. If a passenger in the back seat didn't have a seatbelt on, the rate of injuries to people in the front seats went up by over 100%. People in the front seat not wearing seatbelts caused far more injuries to other people due to being thrown out of the car and into traffic or into bystanders, whereas this was almost unheard of in people wearing seatbelts, unless the belt was severed or somehow failed.

So it actually is a choice that affects everyone on the road around you, not just yourself.

 

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TickyAtack posted:
But me putting my seatbelt on is a choice that only affects my own safety.




Not so. While you may be traveling out of control at a high rate of speed, you may never recover your ability to steer the car because you are untethered and flying around inside the vehicle. That increases your chances of unintentionally aiming your high speed projectile at me, possibly harming or killing me in the process.

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Silverwuf posted:
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But me putting my seatbelt on is a choice that only affects my own safety.




Not so. While you may be traveling out of control at a high rate of speed, you may never recover your ability to steer the car because you are untethered and flying around inside the vehicle. That increases your chances of unintentionally aiming your high speed projectile at me, possibly harming or killing me in the process.

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Not to mention your bloody carcass flying out of your vehicle and messing up my clean car.

 

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Silverwuf posted:
TickyAtack posted:
But me putting my seatbelt on is a choice that only affects my own safety.




Not so. While you may be traveling out of control at a high rate of speed, you may never recover your ability to steer the car because you are untethered and flying around inside the vehicle. That increases your chances of unintentionally aiming your high speed projectile at me, possibly harming or killing me in the process.

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Not to mention your bloody carcass flying out of your vehicle and messing up my clean car.


Well yeah...

 

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If the police just shot the idiots not belted in (or aholes on cell phones or texting) it would make my driving expirence and the safety of everyone on the road a whole lot better.

 

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Florida is the best at this. Ticket the guy driving a pickup because he has no belt on but it's ok to ride in the bed. silly

 

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Assuming you survive an accident while not wearing a seatbelt, the medical costs will be much higher as they try to reattach various limbs that are severed as you fly through the windshield, meaning insurance rates go up so the rest of us can subsidize that cost of the decision you claim "only affects yourself".

 

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I always wear my seatbelt so this doesn't affect me.

 

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They can't give you a ticket for just NOT wearing your seat belt. They have to give you a ticket for something else first. Not wearing a seat belt is a secondary offense in most states.

 

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They can't give you a ticket for just NOT wearing your seat belt. They have to give you a ticket for something else first. Not wearing a seat belt is a secondary offense in most states.




??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seat_belt_legislation_in_the_United_States

One state with no law for adults.
Looks like 18 where it is secondary(3 of those are primary under certain ages).

That leaves 31 states where it is a primary offense.

So in most states they very well can give you a ticket for not wearing it.

 

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its the only damn reason i have 2 tickets both are seatbelt violations


such BS if i want to die by way of ejection out of my car let me

 

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Bottom line: To make money

Given reason: Safety first

 

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Justification is that because when you crack your head on the windshield and become a quad, the people of the state have to take care of your ass for the rest of your life as we are too humane to just put you down by causing you drift off into a lethal heroin induced dream.

 

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here in Oklahoma they did away with safety inspections for vehicles, but they gave the police the right to pull any vehicle over and preform a safety inspection if they fill the car is unsafe.

 

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If the police just shot the idiots not belted in (or aholes on cell phones or texting) it would make my driving expirence and the safety of everyone on the road a whole lot better.


Road-side snipers could create more accidents. They should pull them over first and then off them while they're looking for the license and registration.

 

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Why wouldn't you want them to?

 

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They can't give you a ticket for just NOT wearing your seat belt. They have to give you a ticket for something else first. Not wearing a seat belt is a secondary offense in most states.




They do it here all the time. They'll stop you for a seatbelt violation and then proceed to search your car for drugs if they feel like it.

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They can't give you a ticket for just NOT wearing your seat belt. They have to give you a ticket for something else first. Not wearing a seat belt is a secondary offense in most states.




Misinformation. Click it or ticket.

 

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Misinformation. Click it or ticket.


Yep, in Texas this is true at least anyway.

 

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here in Oklahoma they did away with safety inspections for vehicles, but they gave the police the right to pull any vehicle over and preform a safety inspection if they fill the car is unsafe.




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purplehugmonkey posted:
Ordal posted:

Misinformation. Click it or ticket.


Yep, in Texas this is true at least anyway.


As well as West Virignia, Ohio, and Illinois AFAIK.
It is largely based on state law but to say broadly "they can't" is misinformation at best, particularly given that well over half the states in the country view it as Primary Enforcement.

 

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because driving is not a right, its a privileged. and to earn the privileged of driving you need to wear a seat belt

end of story

 

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I thought it was a typo at first, but it's twice.

 

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Cop has to see you not wearing the seat belt.

I got tinted windows all the way around except for windshield, so if a cop says he pulled me over for not wearing a seat belt they are dam lairs.

You have to be standing in front my truck to see anything inside my jeep.

 

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A co-worker of mine has a belt that looks like a seatbelt, so if a cop looks inside it looks like he's wearing a lap belt (of course you can't put it through the belt loops in your pants, or it would be too obvious):

 

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Subject: Why can they ticket you for not wearing a seatbelt?
ArchrikerHG posted:
they don't like cleaning up dead bodies from people who get launched out of their windshield b/c they didn't put a seatbelt on.

and it makes money for them.


This. Wear your freaking seat belt!

 

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First and foremost, it makes money for them.

Beyond that they don't appreciate people becoming projectiles in accidents. Nor do people in the other cars. The physics of car accidents are incredible. People really take for granted the effects that even low speeds have on our body.

 

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My point was that it differs by state, so if you are an idiot and don't want to wear a seat belt, check the laws.

 

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Just drive a car thats 1964 or older then they cant do a damn thing about it. If it didnt come with belts they cant make you install them.

 

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Just another source of revenue in the guise of public safety.


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Wulfgarr posted:
Probable cause
Cheaper to clean up an accident without picking up bodies

and of course:

LLLLIBBBBBBBBBBBERALS!


My job as an EMT was to pull people out of wrecked vehicles.... about 1 in 10 of the people I rescued where killed when wearing their seat belts. Every accident I went too where the person was not wearing one was killed either because they were ejected from the vehicle or they were tossed around the inside of vehicle as it rolled.


For the people that died while wearing their seat belt the accident was so violent there was no chance for them anyways (talking Train and Semi vs sub compact car for two of the deaths I remember).

 

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Driving is a privilege, not a right. You can build your own private roads and drive on them however you'd like!

 

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winga posted:
I always wear my seatbelt so this doesn't affect me.


CA went crackhead with the kids though. They just RAISED the carseat/booster age to 8 years old!

Lots of parents had to go rebuy booster seats for older kids.

 

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Surge_MT posted:
A co-worker of mine has a belt that looks like a seatbelt, so if a cop looks inside it looks like he's wearing a lap belt (of course you can't put it through the belt loops in your pants, or it would be too obvious):




It would be so LOL if your co-worker was killed in a minor accident and they pulled him out of the vehicle by his fake seat belt.

 

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People who don't wear their seat belts should be arrested for attempted murder. Ticky is probably a serial attempted-murderer

 

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Varece posted:
winga posted:
I always wear my seatbelt so this doesn't affect me.


CA went crackhead with the kids though. They just RAISED the carseat/booster age to 8 years old!

Lots of parents had to go rebuy booster seats for older kids.


alot of states did that Utah did up to 5 feet tall or 100 pounds my ten year old daughter "legally" need to be in a booster. profanity when i was 6 i was riding around in the back of a van playing board games on family trips

 

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jonus156 posted:
Varece posted:
winga posted:
I always wear my seatbelt so this doesn't affect me.


CA went crackhead with the kids though. They just RAISED the carseat/booster age to 8 years old!

Lots of parents had to go rebuy booster seats for older kids.


alot of states did that Utah did up to 5 feet tall or 100 pounds my ten year old daughter "legally" need to be in a booster. profanity when i was 6 i was riding around in the back of a van playing board games on family trips


When I was a kid cars didn't even have seatbelts and we are still here happy I can't imagine not using them, but...

 

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Im not sure that seat belts are what make people safe people used to be a lot better drivers if we made everyone learn to drive in a car that was no power steering manual trans and no power brakes people would be better drivers or they would drive at all.

 

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Chogram posted:
They passed it under the same type of "think of the children" or "you not being safe costs us all money" bullcrap.

The reality is that it gives them an almost iron clad reason to pull a lot of people over to check their cars for other illegal activity.

And it's a cash cow for them.


yeap.

also i think people should be allow not to use them, come on darwin is crying here!!!

 

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jonus156 posted:
Varece posted:
winga posted:
I always wear my seatbelt so this doesn't affect me.


CA went crackhead with the kids though. They just RAISED the carseat/booster age to 8 years old!

Lots of parents had to go rebuy booster seats for older kids.


alot of states did that Utah did up to 5 feet tall or 100 pounds my ten year old daughter "legally" need to be in a booster. profanity when i was 6 i was riding around in the back of a van playing board games on family trips


Which is stupid stupid stupid. So how many little people (midgets, whatever the term is nowadays) have to be in booster seats? Hell I would have had to be in one until I was fourteen years old if that was the case. I didn't hit 100 lbs or 5' until then. My sister is only 4'll". She'd STILL have to be in one. I can see age requirements, because of skeletal growth and all that, but not arbitrary height/weight reqs.

 

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the_great_intex posted:
People who don't wear their seat belts should be arrested for attempted murder. Ticky is probably a serial attempted-murderer



Haha I already said I always where mine. That's more because I'd rather not die though.

 

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