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Eye witnesses and survivor's accounts have multiple shooters kicking in doors slobbering drunk. Bales woke up in custody with no memory of how he got there. He doesn't remember it.
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I'm just saying.. lots of stuff is possible.
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I realize that there's a part of your brain that can't help but to find the least likely explanation for any given event, Illy, and who knows? You may even be right 1% of the time. This could even be that 1%. But if so, what do you suppose they're covering up? Are they just making this guy take the fall for a drunken unit that went out of control, or did those 16 villagers (mostly women and children) have some sort of strategic value that only Alex Jones knows about?
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when i lived in schaumburg in the 90s, there was a rogue group of cops who were going around kicking in random peoples doors and robbing them blind while they "searched for {random excuse}".
they were smooth about it too.
theyd send in a "plant" one night to bang on the door and make a ton of noise. hed shout about wanting to buy some drugs and how he was there the night before....
then a couple days later the pigs would show up and kick the door in.
they corralled everyone in the main entry room while they went through drawers and closets looking for valuables
why is it so hard to believe that these cops werent doing the same thing?
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Yeah, because those two are completely related examples.
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Yeah, because those two are completely related examples.
rogue cops are rogue cops
arent they all rogue now a days?
keep in mind that i didnt read the article.
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Yeah, because those two are completely related examples.
rogue cops are rogue cops
arent they all rogue now a days?
keep in mind that i didnt read the article.
I keep in mind that you can't read BUWHAHA 
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rogue cops are rogue cops
arent they all rogue now a days?
keep in mind that i didnt read the article.
You should keep that in mind before deciding not to post a comment.
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was i supposed to pay attention to your post or something?
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http://www.kansascity.com/2012/03/21/3505573/after-bales-arrest-military-tried.html
"Besides waiting nearly a week before identifying the Army staff sergeant accused of killing 16 Afghan villagers, the U.S. military scrubbed its websites of references to his combat service."
I wonder why they didn't want anyone to know what he had been up to.
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on a side note
walking around, locked and loaded, is the only way you walk around in a war zone.
the insanity plea is his only obvious defense.
especially considering the extended deployments and ptsd bs that they are pushing
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http://www.kansascity.com/2012/03/21/3505573/after-bales-arrest-military-tried.html
"Besides waiting nearly a week before identifying the Army staff sergeant accused of killing 16 Afghan villagers, the U.S. military scrubbed its websites of references to his combat service."
I wonder why they didn't want anyone to know what he had been up to.
Probably cause there were signs ignored.
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Anyone have any thoughts on the survivor's accounts of a team of drunk people shooting?
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Anyone have any thoughts on the survivor's accounts of a team of drunk people shooting?
do you have a link to these accounts? i'd be very interested in learning more, but tough to have an opinion without evaluating them.
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Anyone have any thoughts on the survivor's accounts of a team of drunk people shooting?
do you have a link to these accounts? i'd be very interested in learning more, but tough to have an opinion without evaluating them.
http://www.examiner.com/independent-in-madison/afghan-massacre-reports-u-s-and-foreign-media-vastly-different
"In Afghanistan another version of the story is developing that the U.S. corporate media fails to even acknowledge. According to several overseas media sources, Afghanistan President Karzai accuses the US government of covering up the truth about the killings and Afghanistan Parliament members, investigators and local witnesses have a compiled a mountain of corroborating evidence that shows that as many as 20 U.S. soldiers were involved in a coordinated, execution-type operation in the two villages that night. (See video on left).
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"He added the attack lasted one hour involving two groups of American soldiers in the middle of the night on Sunday. “The villages are one and a half kilometre from the American military base. We are convinced that one soldier cannot kill so many people in two villages within one hour at the same time, and the 16 civilians, most of them children and women, have been killed by the two groups.â€
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Edit: and lets not forget that I hinted about it 10 days ago 
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If 20 soldiers went on a killing spree it would have.been much worse.
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Damn man, you're effing crazy.
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Damn man, you're effing crazy.
He's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJgdDZa9rGE
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So again I ask, what's the point of the coverup? Why blame it all on one dude if it was a squad or more?
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Six people survived. It would help to interview them
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So again I ask, what's the point of the coverup? Why blame it all on one dude if it was a squad or more?
How far down the rabbit hole do you want to go?
Why blame one dude? Look up patsy or scapegoat. ALL witness reports have different villages being attacked at the same time. So I'll ask you. If this was a staged event meant to do oh, I don't know, Give OBAMA something to worry about or make Afghanistan a more dangerous place for US soldiers, wouldn't you blame it on one guy?
EDIT: That base didn't report having two death squads roaming around the base and I doubt the killers are actual US troops. Mercs, probably eastern Europeans dressed in our gear.
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arglebargle IT'S ALWAYS A CONSPIRACY argle bargle
Is it really that hard for you to believe that one person was able to do this? Might I mention that a 23 year old Asian with no military background was able to massacre 32 people with ease.
The more logical answer is that these "eyewitnesses" we're paid off to say more then one person was shooting. A good friend of mine has done 3 tours in Afghanistan and 2 and Iraq with the recon marines. He told me that he doesnt believe we stand a chance of winning, the local elders sell their allegiance to the higher bidder. We come in and pay off someone and as soon as we leave the Taliban pays more.
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Is it hard? Nope. Its easy! Think about that a bit.
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IF THERE IS NO CONSPIRACY THEORY I DON'T BELIEVE IT
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I think in the confusion it's easy to mistake a lone gunman for multiple people. I suppose it's possible that there was more than one shooter. It becomes increasingly unlikely that it wasn't Bales at all, but given some of the circumstances I'd be willing to hear all the evidence before making a decision.
The problem I have with the "roaming mercs" theory is that this event was not in any way helpful to the Obama administration and even less so for the war machine itself. I'd wager public support of the war dropped another 5 points overnight when this happened (the reason I say only 5 points is because that would still be a decrease of nearly 20% of its current level of support), and voters were reminded before the election that Obama has failed to bring all of our troops home after 4 years. If you can give me a motive beyond "for Obama" I might consider it. Punishment for Afghanistan? Why not blow up a village and blame it on the Taliban then...much easier to accomplish and less blowback. Motivation to end the war? We already have that, and it seems quite clear that the Pentagon and Obama are not leveraging this event to draw down troops. I really can't think of anything that we'd have to gain from this that we couldn't accomplish with much less effort and risk of exposure.
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It doesn't have to be about Obama at all. There are companies that will lose billions in market capitalizations if we leave Afghanistan and I can see how some folks see this event as a sign that we'll leave faster I see it as a preface for a more dangerous Afghanistan requiring a longer commitment.
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Time to leave Afghanistan. The US should leave a year earlier than planned
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Soldier went nuts and killed loads of people, he's getting jailed for it as he should.
Why no one's questioning the base guards who let single armed to teeth soldier past the gate unannounced, I dont know...
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So again I ask, what's the point of the coverup? Why blame it all on one dude if it was a squad or more?
Seriously?
You don't know what kind of PR benefit it would be to have another lone gunman?
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