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Police chief in Trayvon Martin case to step down

Sanford, Fla., Police Chief Bill Lee is "temporarily" resigning amid widespread criticism of his department's handling of the Trayvon Martin case, he announced moments ago.

"My role as the leader of this agency has become a distraction for this organization," Lee said at a press conference Thursday afternoon. "It is apparent that my involvement in this matter is overshadowing the process. I have come to the decision that I must temporarily remove myself from the position of police chief of the city of Sanford."

Sanford City Manager Norton Bonaparte Jr. said in a letter released Wednesday evening that police were "prohibited" from arresting George Zimmerman, who had confessed to shooting Martin, "based on the facts and circumstances they had at the time." Zimmerman told local police he acted in self-defense.

Sanford police have been criticized for not conducting an alcohol or drug test on Zimmerman, as is standard practice in a homicide probe, among other alleged missteps. And a witness has said that a law enforcement officer "corrected" her when she said she heard Martin screaming for help. Lee had emerged as a focal point of the criticism.

Zimmerman, a white Hispanic, was patrolling the streets of a gated community in Sanford on Feb. 26, when he spotted Martin and told a police dispatcher that a "black male" was acting "suspicious." Zimmerman, 28, ignored a warning from the dispatcher not to pursue Martin, and a violent confrontation ensued, leaving Martin dead.

 

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That's one! Now for the rest of them...

 

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What's the difference between temporarily resigning and taking an unpaid vacation?

 

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He had a gret dad. What kind of father waits till the next day to report is 17 year old son missing.

 

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He had a gret dad.  What kind of father waits till the next day to report is 17 year old son missing.

Wow. I guess he deserved to die, then.

 

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PROGRAMMING UPDATE: Jeopardy and Wheel of Fortune are being pre-empted tonight to air live coverage of the rally for justice in the death of Trayvon Martin in Sanford tonight. You can catch Jeopardy and Wheel of Fortune at their normal time on Antenna TV. Check your local listings.

 

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Maybe I am missing something but isnt this Police Chief just following Fla law? Sounds like people should be pissed at whoever is passing their silly laws instead of this police chief.

 

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WFTV Channel 9
PROGRAMMING UPDATE: Jeopardy and Wheel of Fortune are being pre-empted tonight to air live coverage of the rally for justice in the death of Trayvon Martin in Sanford tonight. You can catch Jeopardy and Wheel of Fortune at their normal time on Antenna TV. Check your local listings.


Now that would piss me off.

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Maybe I am missing something but isnt this Police Chief just following Fla law? Sounds like people should be pissed at whoever is passing their silly laws instead of this police chief.


yeah pretty ridiculous... like not testing the guy that did the shooting for drugs and alcohol, and having one of the cops "correct" a witness. plain

this from a state with capital punishment.


 

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Fozzie_Bear posted:
Cuttlery posted:
Maybe I am missing something but isnt this Police Chief just following Fla law? Sounds like people should be pissed at whoever is passing their silly laws instead of this police chief.


yeah pretty ridiculous... like not testing the guy that did the shooting for drugs and alcohol, and having one of the cops "correct" a witness. plain

this from a state with capital punishment.





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Antenna TV?!?!

 

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Sanford hardly has a clean record when it comes to racial relations and how the police force has handled previous cases, unfortunately. So, regardless of what actually happened during this instance it is not going to put that organization in a good light.

Terrible situation all around.

 

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The real sad part is the law change also immunized civil damages... this family will not even be able to get money.

The law was just ill-thought out... left a giant loophole for murder.

 

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So Zimmerman was Hispanic, but all white people are being told they're privileged over this.

 

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So Zimmerman was Hispanic, but all white people are being told they're privileged over this.



hispanic is white -- i know because the check boxes tell me so


x - white
x - other, hispanic

 

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All aboard the racist guilt train.

 

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Sanford hardly has a clean record when it comes to racial relations and how the police force has handled previous cases, unfortunately. So, regardless of what actually happened during this instance it is not going to put that organization in a good light.

Terrible situation all around.


He's not immune and in fact the law will not protect him, once you are the instigator all bets are off, I had a look at it.

 

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Sanford hardly has a clean record when it comes to racial relations and how the police force has handled previous cases, unfortunately. So, regardless of what actually happened during this instance it is not going to put that organization in a good light.

Terrible situation all around.


He's not immune and in fact the law will not protect him, once you are the instigator all bets are off, I had a look at it.


Yeah I don't get why people are still dwelling on the self defense law, when this guy was clearly not acting in self defense when he pursued and shot the poor kid.

 

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Why didn't the gated community have gates? It doesn't sound like much of a fortress.

 

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Sanford hardly has a clean record when it comes to racial relations and how the police force has handled previous cases, unfortunately. So, regardless of what actually happened during this instance it is not going to put that organization in a good light.

Terrible situation all around.


He's not immune and in fact the law will not protect him, once you are the instigator all bets are off, I had a look at it.


Yeah I don't get why people are still dwelling on the self defense law, when this guy was clearly not acting in self defense when he pursued and shot the poor kid.


He followed the kid... the kid started beating the crap out of him... then he shot him claiming self-defense.

That is legal in Florida thanks to an ill-thought out law from the NRA. It is not what they were intending behind it but left a loophole for murder.

 

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I've read a few articles about the story and none of them mention the kid "beating the crap out of him." If that's true, the kid would've been acting in self-defense against the guy who was following him, so I don't see how a self-defense law protects the killer in that case.

edit: If the law is being interpreted like that, I would imagine it's not the spirit of the law being followed correctly. I doubt it was intended for situations like "I hit this guy who was minding his own business, then he hit me back, so I shot him in self-defense."

 

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The law is stupid so I am not going to try and defend it. It just says you are immune from civil and criminal punishment for using lethal force in public in self-defense. It is not even a question for the jury a judge rules based on facts.

Who knows about the facts with reports of police changing crap. But we know this dude is a nutcase... made dozens of calls of same behavior... was studying to be a cop... was the self-appointed neighborhood watch captain... when the police showed up he had head wounds and a bloody face... numerous witness saw a struggle.

It honestly looks like some nutjob with poor judgment wanting to be the hero of the community... actually looks like a pretty easy case for defense if the prosecutor ever do file charges... that is barring any new details.

 

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I don't know about anyone else, but I just want block wars.

 

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I've read a few articles about the story and none of them mention the kid "beating the crap out of him." If that's true, the kid would've been acting in self-defense against the guy who was following him, so I don't see how a self-defense law protects the killer in that case.

edit: If the law is being interpreted like that, I would imagine it's not the spirit of the law being followed correctly. I doubt it was intended for situations like "I hit this guy who was minding his own business, then he hit me back, so I shot him in self-defense."


There are multiple reports that there was some kind of a fight prior to him being shot.

From the CNN article

"Shortly afterward, neighbors began calling 911 to report a fight, then a gunshot. By the time police arrived, Trayvon Martin was dead. Martin was unarmed."

There really is no one that witnesses who started the fight or if anyone was in danger during the fight, pretty much all they have to go on is what this guy is saying. While the situation sucks and the law is probably really stupid I just dont see where any laws are being broken or how this guy could possibly be charged with anything.

 

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without testing the shooter for drugs and alcohol there is absolutely know way to know if their mental state was impaired and that may have been the difference between this person being criminally implicated or walking away scott free, other laws aside. The people's business was not done by the police in this case and the leader of the police needs to be held accountable for the actions of his men.

I don't see why thats so hard to understand. I hope they oust this fker permanantly.

 

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without testing the shooter for drugs and alcohol there is absolutely know way to know if their mental state was impaired and that may have been the difference between this person being criminally implicated or walking away scott free, other laws aside. The people's business was not done by the police in this case and the leader of the police needs to be held accountable for the actions of his men.

I don't see why thats so hard to understand. I hope they oust this fker permanantly.


Are they allowed to do that under Fla state law? At least here I dont think you can test a person for drugs and alcohol without cause. Unless the person seemed visably impared they arent allowed to test for that. I'm sure all the states laws are different though in that regard.

 

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[quote=-Ducky-]Sanford hardly has a clean record when it comes to racial relations and how the police force has handled previous cases, unfortunately. So, regardless of what actually happened during this instance it is not going to put that organization in a good light.

Terrible situation all around.


He's not immune and in fact the law will not protect him, once you are the instigator all bets are off, I had a look at it.


Yeah I don't get why people are still dwelling on the self defense law, when this guy was clearly not acting in self defense when he pursued and shot the poor kid.


He followed the kid... the kid started beating the crap out of him... then he shot him claiming self-defense.

That is legal in Florida thanks to an ill-thought out law from the NRA. It is not what they were intending behind it but left a loophole for murder. [/quote]

No. The law in Florida is that if you feel your life is being threatened you can use EQUAL force on your attacker. It does not mean if someone punches you you can shoot them. The law permits force to be used instead of retreat. What it comes down to is what happened and proving one side. The guy who shot the teenager apparently was told by police to not pursue the kid. Pursuit would instantly negate any Stand Your Ground law because he's now putting himself in danger. The story I heard was that the kid ran away from the shooter and was chased. A scuffle ensued and that was when he was shot.

The picture I saw of the shooter looks like he is a huge burly guy. The teenager was very small in stature. Along with the 400 calls to police that the shooter made since January tends to make me thing he was a bit out of control. He also did not follow police instruction at the time of the incident.

 

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Zimmerman, a white hispanic....?? plain

 

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There are different "colors" of Hispanic. People will identify themselves as Black-Hispanics or White-Hispanic. I was told as per how I fill out forms that Hispanic is not necessarily a race. You can have a dad from Cuba and a Black mom and be Black Hispanic.

 

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That is the first time I've seen someone reported as White Hispanic. Curious choice. They want to blame white people for something a Latino did.

 

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That is the first time I've seen someone reported as White Hispanic. Curious choice. They want to blame white people for something a Latino did.



I am white hispanic. *shrug*

 

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That is the first time I've seen someone reported as White Hispanic. Curious choice. They want to blame white people for something a Latino did.



I am white hispanic. *shrug*


Ok put it in perspective. Are you considered a minority? If yes, then you aren't white.

 

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I thought Zimmerman was a Jewish name confused

 

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I thought Zimmerman was a Jewish name confused


For real. He could be a Puerto Rican jew like Juan Epstein.

 

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That is the first time I've seen someone reported as White Hispanic. Curious choice. They want to blame white people for something a Latino did.



I am white hispanic. *shrug*


Ok put it in perspective. Are you considered a minority? If yes, then you aren't white.


That's racist.

 

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White - Hispanic is a very common label.

seems silly to me, but it's true.

i filled out a form recently that me being a white i had to select White - non hispanic.

OH, and some of the biggest race issues right now are Hispanic v. Black, especially gang related...has everything to do with race. hypnotized

 

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That is the first time I've seen someone reported as White Hispanic. Curious choice. They want to blame white people for something a Latino did.



I am white hispanic. *shrug*


Ok put it in perspective. Are you considered a minority? If yes, then you aren't white.


Do I look like a visable minority? No. I am half American mutt, half Cuban.

 

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He was twice the size of the kid, he stalked the kid, he was armed, he started the fight, the kid is on tape screaming for help before he was shot.

Zimmerman is going down.

 

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Obama spoke out about this, as did the republican hopefuls

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17492445

 

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He was twice the size of the kid, he stalked the kid, he was armed, he started the fight, the kid is on tape screaming for help before he was shot.

Zimmerman is going down.


Exactly

There doesn't appear to be any self defense case for Zimmerman even with "stand your ground "

Look at this from the kid's perspective. He was behaving in a perfectly legal way and some guy larger than he and armed was stalking him. In what way is the smaller and unarmed person in the wrong?

Add to this what we know about Zimmerman's reasoning and the cops telling him there is no need to follow and he should be arrested and tried.

 

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from a right wing or white wing site LOL.

 

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from a right wing or white wing site LOL.



I heard the kids was flashing gang signs as he was screaming for help.

 

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from a right wing or white wing site LOL.



I heard the kids was flashing gang signs as he was screaming for help.


if he was i would put a cap in his ass too.

 

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well the black kids dead and if we play our cards right we can get a Latino off the streets. [face_combat]

 

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well the black kids dead and if we play our cards right we can get a Latino off the streets. [face_combat]



Which is ironic because Combat is Blaxican.

 

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from a right wing or white wing site LOL.


It's funny because for once I was like, wow the picture they are using is a normal picture. Often times on The First 48 show the pictures of victims/etc. are all gang banger-y and I'm always like REALLY? You don't have a photo where you don't look like a d-bag?

 

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could turn out to be another Rodney king beating dont' know all the facts and people jump to conclusions.

what wasn't show on tv during those beatings were Rodney charging the cops etc... they only show the clips where cops beat him.

 

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could turn out to be another Rodney king beating dont' know all the facts and people jump to conclusions.

what wasn't show on tv during those beatings were Rodney charging the cops etc... they only show the clips where cops beat him.


it is true that not ALL of the facts are known, BUT there are very significant facts that ARE known.
1. he was told NOT to pursue.
2. he ignored what the REAL law enforcement said to do.

 

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If the cops had arrested him after the incident and proceeded to investigate we may not have such a mess on our hands.

So far I've yet to hear anyone, except the chief, say that the stand your ground law applies. There was more than enough in doubt for the cops to arrest, investigate, and let the court sort it out. That isn't really all that complicated it is what cops are supposed to do.

 

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If the cops had arrested him after the incident and proceeded to investigate we may not have such a mess on our hands.

So far I've yet to hear anyone, except the chief, say that the stand your ground law applies. There was more than enough in doubt for the cops to arrest, investigate, and let the court sort it out. That isn't really all that complicated it is what cops are supposed to do.

 

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Looks like there was a witness to the shooting, I still cannot excuse the idiot because he followed the teen and was told not to. if this is true they will have a hard time proving any type of murder to a jury.


http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/witness-martin-attacked-zimmerman-03232012

Witness: Martin attacked Zimmerman

Updated: Friday, 23 Mar 2012, 6:19 PM EDT
Published : Friday, 23 Mar 2012, 5:47 PM EDT

ORLANDO - A witness we haven't heard from before paints a much different picture than we've seen so far of what happened the night 17-year-old Trayvon Martin was shot and killed.

The night of that shooting, police say there was a witness who saw it all.

Our sister station, FOX 35 in Orlando, has spoken to that witness.

What Sanford Police investigators have in the folder, they put together on the killing of Trayvon Martin few know about.

The file now sits in the hands of the state attorney. Now that file is just weeks away from being opened to a grand jury.

It shows more now about why police believed that night that George Zimmerman shouldn't have gone to jail.

Zimmerman called 911 and told dispatchers he was following a teen. The dispatcher told Zimmerman not to.

And from that moment to the shooting, details are few.

But one man's testimony could be key for the police.

"The guy on the bottom who had a red sweater on was yelling to me: 'help, help…and I told him to stop and I was calling 911," he said.

Trayvon Martin was in a hoodie; Zimmerman was in red.

The witness only wanted to be identified as "John," and didn't not want to be shown on camera.

His statements to police were instrumental, because police backed up Zimmerman's claims, saying those screams on the 911 call are those of Zimmerman.

"When I got upstairs and looked down, the guy who was on top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point," John said.

Zimmerman says the shooting was self defense. According to information released on the Sanford city website, Zimmerman said he was going back to his SUV when he was attacked by the teen.

Sanford police say Zimmerman was bloody in his face and head, and the back of his shirt was wet and had grass stains, indicating a struggle took place before the shooting.

 

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if he was beat down by this skinny kid he better hope he gets off!
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i'd like to know how Zimmerman got away with assaulting an officer, and nothing out of this.

 

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what is also known is the guy had a bloody nose and back of his head was bleeding, only logical thing would be is kid attack him and he feel to the floor and guy feels stupid beaten by this punk, went over board and decided to kill kid instead of lesson.

 

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JD_HOGG posted:
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I thought Zimmerman was a Jewish name confused


For real. He could be a Puerto Rican jew like Juan Epstein.
Perhaps he just gave the police a note:


"My boy was just defending himself."

signed: "Zimmerman's mother"




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The apparent witness does not change that the cops should have arrested Zimmerman. If they had, and then a witness came forward, this would not be such drama. I don't know how this ends but if I shot someone I'd expect to be held unless it was in my own home or obviously me protecting myself or others. This was neither.

 

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