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http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/21/10796430-
In an election campaign season in which issues such as birth control and gay marriage have made headlines, a growing number of Americans think political leaders are talking too much religion, according to a new national survey.

The survey released Wednesday by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press and the Pew Research Center’s Forum on Religion & Public Life finds signs of uneasiness over the mixing of religion and politics.

Nearly four in 10 Americans (38 percent) say there has been too much expression of religious faith and prayer from political leaders -- an all-time high since the Pew Research Center began asking the question more than a decade ago. Thirty percent say there has been too little.

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38%... That's like a majority!

 

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secularists are wrong when they ask believers to leave their religion at the door before entering into the public square. Frederick Douglas, Abraham Lincoln, Williams Jennings Bryant, Dorothy Day, Martin Luther King - indeed, the majority of great reformers in American history - were not only motivated by faith, but repeatedly used religious language to argue for their cause.

 

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Bobvillas posted:
secularists are wrong when they ask believers to leave their religion at the door before entering into the public square. Frederick Douglas, Abraham Lincoln, Williams Jennings Bryant, Dorothy Day, Martin Luther King - indeed, the majority of great reformers in American history - were not only motivated by faith, but repeatedly used religious language to argue for their cause.


Only two of those people ever ran for public office. The rest are irrelevant to the topic. And times were different for those two, no ones going to care about a politician bringing his religion into the conversation when 99% of the population is part of his religion.

 

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Scarne posted:

In an election campaign season in which issues such as birth control and gay marriage have made headlines...

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This line has been used every election since i've begun voting in 1984. Yet the media always position it as if it were a new development.

 

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I don't mind people using biblical language to support humanist policies. There's some good stuff in the bible.

People shouldn't have to ignore their religion in the public sphere but by the same token when you bring it in you can't get all butthurt when someone questions it. "The bible says so!" is not an argument ender and if you make that argument you can't get all offended when someone tells you you're an idiot. RWNs tend to want it both ways. They want to both be able to legislate based on religious texts and also enjoy immunity from anyone questinoing their beliefs because it's religion and that's out of bounds to attack because of the 1st amendment1!!111 orsomethe.

 

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They are. Religion is a personal thing and so is a lack of religion. Keep it to yourselves or don't be surprised when someone gives you a fat lip. Verbally or literally.

 

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This thread reminds me of this...

 

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Well its morally wrong to use religion for political gain, which most politicians use it for

Anything to win those votes

 

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Lyken-P posted:
38%... That's like a majority!

It is a plurality. grin

 

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Kjarhall posted:
Bobvillas posted:
secularists are wrong when they ask believers to leave their religion at the door before entering into the public square. Frederick Douglas, Abraham Lincoln, Williams Jennings Bryant, Dorothy Day, Martin Luther King - indeed, the majority of great reformers in American history - were not only motivated by faith, but repeatedly used religious language to argue for their cause.


Only two of those people ever ran for public office. The rest are irrelevant to the topic. And times were different for those two, no ones going to care about a politician bringing his religion into the conversation when 99% of the population is part of his religion.


To say that men and women should not inject their "personal morality" into public policy debates is a practical absurdity. Our law is by definition a codification of morality, much of it grounded in the Judeo-Christian tradition.

Moreover, if progressives shed some of these biases, we might recognize some overlapping values that both religious and secular people share when it comes to the moral and material direction of our country.

 

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I don't mind people using biblical language to support humanist policies. There's some good stuff in the bible.

People shouldn't have to ignore their religion in the public sphere but by the same token when you bring it in you can't get all butthurt when someone questions it. "The bible says so!" is not an argument ender and if you make that argument you can't get all offended when someone tells you you're an idiot. RWNs tend to want it both ways. They want to both be able to legislate based on religious texts and also enjoy immunity from anyone questinoing their beliefs because it's religion and that's out of bounds to attack because of the 1st amendment1!!111 orsomethe.




Democracy demands that the religiously motivated translate their concerns into universal, rather than religion-specific, values.

It requires that their proposals be subject to argument, and amenable to reason.

I may be opposed to abortion for religious reasons, but if I seek to pass a law banning the practice, I cannot simply point to the teachings of my church or evoke God's will.

I have to explain why abortion violates some principle that is accessible to people of all faiths, including those with no faith at all.

Now this is going to be difficult for some who believe in the inerrancy of the Bible, as many evangelicals do. But in a pluralistic democracy, we have no choice.

Politics depends on our ability to persuade each other of common aims based on a common reality.

 

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Bobvillas posted:
Our law is by definition a codification of morality, much of it grounded in the Judeo-Christian tradition.
Irony at it's finest...

 

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reesescups posted:
Bobvillas posted:
Our law is by definition a codification of morality, much of it grounded in the Judeo-Christian tradition.
Irony at it's finest...


You don't think that is accurate?

I am open to other definitions.

 

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