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Its up.

No, I am not in (yet).

World Map: http://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2012/march/pandariaminimap.jpg


I guess we can expect a July/August launch going from history. They usually take about 4-5 months from beta start to launch for WoW beta's.




MMO Champion datamined a bunch of loot:
http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/2696-Mists-of-Pandaria-Beta-Items-Epic-and-Rare!

crazy.

 

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I'm excited for it and GW2. I'll most likely play both.

 

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I think that once people play GW2 and realize they dont have to pay a monthly fee, they will never want to pay a monthly fee again and wow will fade away

 

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No monthly fee usually means pay to play in a different way..such as gear upgrades to level content..

I'll never participate in that model, no matter how 'good' a game is.

Besides, 15 bucks a month is nothing...

 

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The stuff you can pay cash for are all fluff items that look different. You can also earn all these cash rewards just by playing the game if you want.

 

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guess I won't be seeing an invite from Blizzard seeing I do not even have a battlenet account anymore

 

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Jstudly7 posted:
I think that once people play GW2 and realize they dont have to pay a monthly fee, they will never want to pay a monthly fee again and wow will fade away


I remember hearing this same line when guild wars came out.. haha

 

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No monthly fee usually means pay to play in a different way..such as gear upgrades to level content..

I'll never participate in that model, no matter how 'good' a game is.

Besides, 15 bucks a month is nothing...


You'll spend $15 a month for one game but you won't spend $15 (or anything) on another simply because they don't require you to put up a subscription? Weird.

 

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Nope.

It totally kills the immersion when you want to proceed to the next "place" or obtain the next "level", but first enter your credit card number to pay $9.99 or whatever...

Hypothetically speaking, I wouldn't stop in the middle of it and pay a hooker by the stroke, either.


By all means, enjoy your "dollar a stroke" gaming experience.

 

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GutterSludge posted:
Nope.

It totally kills the immersion when you want to proceed to the next "place" or obtain the next "level", but first enter your credit card number to pay $9.99 or whatever...

Hypothetically speaking, I wouldn't stop in the middle of it and pay a hooker by the stroke, either.


By all means, enjoy your "dollar a stroke" gaming experience.




Gutter, do you actually look into a game so you have some idea wtf you are talking about before you start badmouthing it? I played GW to max level on several characters and never once had to pay to get gear or anything else in order to advance my characters. Not to mention you didn't bother to read or just plain ignored (likely because it nullified your criticism) the comment that the extras you can buy in GW are pure fluff, much like the non combat pets and special mounts you can buy in WoW.

 

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You say "free to play"..

I say "developer not confident enough in their product to attempt to charge a monthly fee"


If that bothers you, I really do not care. (but it does make me chuckle a little)






 

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GutterSludge posted:
You say "free to play"..

I say "developer not confident enough in their product to attempt to charge a monthly fee"


If that bothers you, I really do not care. (but it does make me chuckle a little)









You say "Guttersludge"...


I say "a poster who ignores any and all facts that nullify his criticism of a game and continues scrounge around for something negative to say."

If that bothers you, I really do not care. (but it does make me chuckle a little)

 

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Personally, I share Gutter's concern about F2P setups ruining immersion by nickel-and-dime'ing you to do anything worthwhile. Differing opinions are not automatically invalid simply by being contrary to your own. Of course, whether GW2 avoids these concerns and does something fun remains to be seen. Beatification of a product based on marketing and beta feedback is naive but very amusing. I certainly hope it lives up to the stratospheric hype, if for no other reason than to push the genre forward from where it has stagnated for most of the last decade.

 

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Pantherr,

My opinion is that free to play sucks.

Since GW is going to follow this model, it automatically sucks without me doing one iota of research about it.


Please, continue to prove my "opinion" wrong...

..I get a good laugh every time you try.





 

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I'm not arguing with your opinion. You are free to hate/dislike/like any gaming model you choose. I'm not a real big fan of f2play either because most of them do sucker you into buying gear or other items in game to be able to play. I am refuting your statement that GW requires you to spend money in game to advance your character. That is simply not true.

 

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Oh, well then you need to re-read the ENTIRE thread,

and particularly take notice to the word "usually" from my original post, and then understand I was answering Kook's question in another, as to why 15 dollars one way is not the same as 15 dollars another to me.


THEN realize how stupid you look.


Meanwhile, I'll still be laughing at you.


Reading Comprehension:
Next time, try applying it BEFORE making yourself look like an ass.

 

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Wow, look at Gutter trip over himself trying to backpedal. Now THAT is funny. happy

 

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I could care less about GW2 myself.I hated the first one and I am sure I will hate this one as well more power to the ppl who will enjoy it.15 bucks a month sub fee is a fair price to me I don't l ike the B2P or P2P models personally as they tend to always nickel and dime you to death.I wish LOTRO and EQ2 both would make one server be a reg sub server with no store at all on it.I like both games decent enough but it irratates me every time I see the store icons on the gui's.Hopefully WoW never does that and they leave it on there website.

 

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I don't know what GW2 is going to do, not being as high on a kite on it as so many people are. I see it as just another disappointment in a long list of disappointments since the first true MMO came out, which was Ultima Online.

However, the "free to play" model where you need to pay for crap within the game doesn't really appeal to me much. I would rather pay the $15 a month and forget about it.

Also, I have no problem with Real Money Auctions and Ebaying of in-game items provided they are gotten by players and sold by players and not "created" by the Game Developer on the fly for money.

 

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Like most things in life, I try to judge each item individually instead of lumping them all together.

 

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Pantherr posted:
Wow, look at Gutter trip over himself trying to backpedal. Now THAT is funny. happy



Backpedal?

You attack my opinion throughout the thread, then state you aren't attacking my opinion...

then claim I'm backpedaling when I point out that you have, in fact been attacking my opinion..




I see you still need work in the "reading comprehension" area.

I'll teach you the basics of it, if you are willing to learn.


Funny, indeed!

 

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Pantherr posted:
Wow, look at Gutter trip over himself trying to backpedal. Now THAT is funny. happy



Backpedal?

You attack my opinion throughout the thread, then state you aren't attacking my opinion...

then claim I'm backpedaling when I point out that you have, in fact been attacking my opinion..




I see you still need work in the "reading comprehension" area.

I'll teach you the basics of it, if you are willing to learn.


Funny, indeed!


You were criticizing GW and lumping it in with the F2p games that nickel and dime you to death in place of charging a monthly fee. Try some reading comprehension of your own and you will notice that is the only point I have debated with you. Your criticism of GW has been proven false so keep trying desperately to save face, play the "oh I meant this not that" card or play the semantics/split hairs game all you wish. I feel my point has been made. GW does not charge a monthly fee and does not charge for anything in game except fluff, nothing that is needed to advance your character or move to a new area.

 

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Sigh..ok here comes your comprehension lesson....

GutterSludge posted:
No monthly fee usually means pay to play in a different way..such as gear upgrades to level content..

I'll never participate in that model, no matter how 'good' a game is.

Besides, 15 bucks a month is nothing...



My opinion on free to play in general...(notice the word "usually", which I used because not all games do this)


_Kewk_ posted:


You'll spend $15 a month for one game but you won't spend $15 (or anything) on another simply because they don't require you to put up a subscription? Weird.



Kewk, attempting to understand how $15 paid for a sub is different than $15, paid a dollar at a time...

(notice we are still speaking in a general sense)


GutterSludge posted:
Nope.

It totally kills the immersion when you want to proceed to the next "place" or obtain the next "level", but first enter your credit card number to pay $9.99 or whatever...

Hypothetically speaking, I wouldn't stop in the middle of it and pay a hooker by the stroke, either.


By all means, enjoy your "dollar a stroke" gaming experience.



My response, explaining how $15 dollars for a sub is different to me than $15, paid a dollar at a time. Notice this is still in general, as not one word has been mentioned about GW specifically.



This is followed by your initial attack on my opinion, which was completely laughable...(as are the rest of your posts)

..culminating with this gem:


Pantherr posted:


You were criticizing GW and lumping it in with the F2p games that nickel and dime you to death in place of charging a monthly fee. Try some reading comprehension of your own and you will notice that is the only point I have debated with you. Your criticism of GW has been proven false so keep trying desperately to save face, play the "oh I meant this not that" card or play the semantics/split hairs game all you wish. I feel my point has been made. GW does not charge a monthly fee and does not charge for anything in game except fluff, nothing that is needed to advance your character or move to a new area.


Where did I EVER criticize GW?
You see, your ignorant assumption and lack of comprehension brought you this this errant conclusion. This entire conversation has been you attacking my opinion of a gaming model. A gaming model that your "fanboi-ism" for one particular game (which happens to be following said model) is clouding your ability to process, understand, and appropriately respond to posted information.



Thus endeth the lesson. (No charge this time, but I am going to have to bill you for my services if this continues)

 

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GW is the game being discussed. Is that clear enough? Fanboi-ism for a game I haven't played in years? Okay, whatever you say, Gutter. Still doesn't change the facts that I laid out, which is that GW does not follow the F2P model you dislike.

This "debate" is going no where because, once again, nothing or no one will ever get you to admit that you could possibly wrong about anything. You seem to have an obsession with always being right and anyone who disagrees with you being wrong so knock yourself out and keep insisting that you are always right. happy

 

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Im a sad Panda - no email for me.

 

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Im a sad Panda - no email for me.



Same here, and I have an annual pass sad Hopefully I get mine sometime soon and not right before the end of the beta.

 

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One of the guys in our guild who DIDNT have the AP got in on the first round. Im sitting here with the AP purchased 3 minutes after they announced it and have nothing. Like you, Im just really hoping I dont get the invite a week before the beta ends.

 

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One of the guys in our guild who DIDNT have the AP got in on the first round. Im sitting here with the AP purchased 3 minutes after they announced it and have nothing. Like you, Im just really hoping I dont get the invite a week before the beta ends.


That would be a dirty move by Blizz, hype the "guaranteed beta invite" when you purchase the AP and you wind up getting into beta at the very end. ><

 

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Pantherr posted:
Kriegprojekt posted:
One of the guys in our guild who DIDNT have the AP got in on the first round. Im sitting here with the AP purchased 3 minutes after they announced it and have nothing. Like you, Im just really hoping I dont get the invite a week before the beta ends.


That would be a dirty move by Blizz, hype the "guaranteed beta invite" when you purchase the AP and you wind up getting into beta at the very end. ><



Yeah but technically, you got into the beta...


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GW is the game being discussed. Is that clear enough? Fanboi-ism for a game I haven't played in years? Okay, whatever you say, Gutter. Still doesn't change the facts that I laid out, which is that GW does not follow the F2P model you dislike.

This "debate" is going no where because, once again, nothing or no one will ever get you to admit that you could possibly wrong about anything. You seem to have an obsession with always being right and anyone who disagrees with you being wrong so knock yourself out and keep insisting that you are always right. happy



No, MOP is being discussed....
Jstudly brought up GW, and "no monthly fee"....

I commented on "no monthly fee"...

You can continue to try to put words in my posts that aren't there...it just makes you look even sillier, especially when it's all right there in black and white for you and everyone else to see..

Proceed sir.

(and if you keep going at your current rate, you can officially prove that you cannot comprehend what you read before reaching 100 posts)

Good luck, I'm sure you can accomplish that goal.

 

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There's a video with a dev of GW2 talking about their model. The RL money is for armor and fluff items, which can be obtained in game without RL cash. There are 3 currency types in game.

It won't be like Lotro where you can't quest in such and such zone without paying $2.99.

 

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_Taebo_ posted:
There's a video with a dev of GW2 talking about their model. The RL money is for armor and fluff items, which can be obtained in game without RL cash. There are 3 currency types in game.

It won't be like Lotro where you can't quest in such and such zone without paying $2.99.


Exactly. This is what I have been saying all along and Gutter keeps trying to argue with me about. GW does not follow the normal F2P model.

 

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Pantherr posted:
GW is the game being discussed. Is that clear enough? Fanboi-ism for a game I haven't played in years? Okay, whatever you say, Gutter. Still doesn't change the facts that I laid out, which is that GW does not follow the F2P model you dislike.

This "debate" is going no where because, once again, nothing or no one will ever get you to admit that you could possibly wrong about anything. You seem to have an obsession with always being right and anyone who disagrees with you being wrong so knock yourself out and keep insisting that you are always right. happy



No, MOP is being discussed....
Jstudly brought up GW, and "no monthly fee"....

I commented on "no monthly fee"...

You can continue to try to put words in my posts that aren't there...it just makes you look even sillier, especially when it's all right there in black and white for you and everyone else to see..

Proceed sir.

(and if you keep going at your current rate, you can officially prove that you cannot comprehend what you read before reaching 100 posts)

Good luck, I'm sure you can accomplish that goal.




Just give it up Gutter. You were turning your nose up at GW because it was free to play and you dislike being nickel and dimed to death, making snide comments such as "By all means, enjoy your "dollar a stroke" gaming experience."

You continued to turn your nose up at it despite it being pointed out to you that GW does not follow that model.

Keep dancing all you want. I no longer care. If you haven't been able to wrap your mind around the concept of "GW does not follow the F2P model" by now, then you never will. I an beginning to believe you are arguing just for the sake of arguing and that you would find something negative to say even if you won the lottery. You are just chock full of negativity.

 

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Again, that comment was in response to another poster asking what the difference was between a 15 dollar sub, and micro-transactions.

Again, you cannot comprehend what you read, as it was completely about models, not any one game in particular.



And again, you prove your ignorance.(you are closer to your goal!!)


This is really fun..keep going please!!

 

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GutterSludge posted:
Again, that comment was in response to another poster asking what the difference was between a 15 dollar sub, and micro-transactions.

Again, you cannot comprehend what you read, as it was completely about models, not any one game in particular.



And again, you prove your ignorance.(you are closer to your goal!!)


This is really fun..keep going please!!




/yawn My point has been made. I'm done. Trying to have an adult conversation with you is as pointless as trying to keeping a pig clean.

 

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I don't know what GW2 is going to do, not being as high on a kite on it as so many people are. I see it as just another disappointment in a long list of disappointments since the first true MMO came out, which was Ultima Online.


I'm in the same boat. Disappointment after disappointment with MMOs over the last few years has jaded me. No doubt. But this blind fanaticism for Guild Wars 2 makes me wonder at times. It's like the sacred cow or something. Well, anyway, best of luck with getting a beta invites to everyone.

 

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Again, that comment was in response to another poster asking what the difference was between a 15 dollar sub, and micro-transactions.

Again, you cannot comprehend what you read, as it was completely about models, not any one game in particular.



And again, you prove your ignorance.(you are closer to your goal!!)


This is really fun..keep going please!!




/yawn My point has been made. I'm done. Trying to have an adult conversation with you is as pointless as trying to keeping a pig clean.


Its not my fault you are too ignorant to understand simple English, context, and grammatical structure.

The only point you made was the poof of the above. Good job sir!
(and you managed it before 50 posts, which I thought was impossible until now!!)

 

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Ardenwolfe posted:
-Mithan- posted:
I don't know what GW2 is going to do, not being as high on a kite on it as so many people are. I see it as just another disappointment in a long list of disappointments since the first true MMO came out, which was Ultima Online.


I'm in the same boat. Disappointment after disappointment with MMOs over the last few years has jaded me. No doubt. But this blind fanaticism for Guild Wars 2 makes me wonder at times. It's like the sacred cow or something. Well, anyway, best of luck with getting a beta invites to everyone.


All these talk of GW has gotten me back into playing it and I am enjoying it. It will be interesting to see how GW2 turns out. I thought SWTOR was the sacred cow, what with all the hype about the Star Wars franchise and stuff.

BTW, I like your sig. lol

 

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GutterSludge posted:
Pantherr posted:
GutterSludge posted:
Again, that comment was in response to another poster asking what the difference was between a 15 dollar sub, and micro-transactions.

Again, you cannot comprehend what you read, as it was completely about models, not any one game in particular.



And again, you prove your ignorance.(you are closer to your goal!!)


This is really fun..keep going please!!




/yawn My point has been made. I'm done. Trying to have an adult conversation with you is as pointless as trying to keeping a pig clean.


Its not my fault you are too ignorant to understand simple English, context, and grammatical structure.

The only point you made was the poof of the above. Good job sir!
(and you managed it before 50 posts, which I thought was impossible until now!!)


Allow me to clarify my statement. Trying to have an adult conversation with you is pointless because all you seem interested in doing is making snide remarks, attempting to appear witty and being extremely condescending. You ignore anything and everything that is presented that doesn't fit into your agenda of being oh so intellectually superior to anyone who dares to disagree with you. I have no doubt you will once again ignore anything you do not like and will continue your "clever" snide comments. From this point on, you will be talking to yourself.

 

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http://venturebeat.com/2012/03/26/guild-wars-2-is-challenging-the-mmo-establishment/

"Guild Wars 2 operates on a mix of these two business models. Customers must purchase the PC game, which carries an MSRP of $59.95 for the standard edition, but pay no recurring subscription charges. The game will offer a variety of virtual items for purchase instead, says Mike O’Brien, President of Guild Wars 2 developer ArenaNet: “We think players should have the opportunity to spend money on items that … offer more ways to express themselves … on account services and on time-saving convenience items … But it’s never OK for players who spend money to have an unfair advantage over players who spend time.”

And another article.

http://www.arena.net/blog/mike-obrien-on-microtransactions-in-guild-wars-2

 

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The difference between WoW and GW, business model wise, is that WoW makes you pay a subscription on top of the box sales and cash micro transactions. I really like how GW offers a non cash way to get the fluff items. Sure wish WoW would do that.

 

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_Taebo_ posted:
… on account services and on time-saving convenience items




I will go ahead and predict that these will turn into "must haves" before the game has been out 6 months....






 

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Allow me to clarify my statement. Trying to have an adult conversation with you is pointless because all you seem interested in doing is making snide remarks, attempting to appear witty and being extremely condescending. You ignore anything and everything that is presented that doesn't fit into your agenda of being oh so intellectually superior to anyone who dares to disagree with you. I have no doubt you will once again ignore anything you do not like and will continue your "clever" snide comments. From this point on, you will be talking to yourself.



I have posted my opinion, in an opinion based thread.

Snide? Condescending?

If you are referring to your obvious mental disability when it come to comprehension, I'm afraid you are going to run into much of that in life until you become better at understanding what you read.

Good luck with your education!

 

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Wow guys this thread has achieved full retard.

Way to go!

 

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Wow guys this thread has achieved full retard.

Way to go!


 

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Kriegprojekt posted:
Renegade. posted:
Wow guys this thread has achieved full retard.

Way to go!






Definitely hit it, wait what was this thread about?

 

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I got so excited when I logged into my battle.net account today and saw "beta".


Then I noticed it was only Diablo beta.

 

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More emails went out today.

 

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Kriegprojekt posted:
I got so excited when I logged into my battle.net account today and saw "beta".


Then I noticed it was only Diablo beta.


Krieg, were you crying like that baby in your icon? LOL

 

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