-Espiritu- posted:

---

Payton = suspended 1 year
Williams = indefinitely
Saints = $500,000 fine + 2 2nd round draft picks

---

Elocism posted:

---

did you win a prize for intentionally hurting an opposing player?

---

Elocism posted:

---

i never had a coach tell me to hurt someone

its pretty clear you are wrong. the existence of this thread and the subject matter proves as much

---

Elocism posted:

---

i dont think you understand the situation

---

-Espiritu- posted:

---

I was moved from offense to defense because of my willingness to hit people. I remember the day it happened, where the wideouts and secondary were running 1 on 1 drills. The defenders had arm pads and were supposted to hit the receivers after they caught the ball. This drill trains you to hold on to the ball when hit.

Well the d-backs were barely hitting the guys. As a wideout I volunteered to switch sides. I de-cleated the first guy I faced, and the coaches patted me on the back. I never played offense again... and this was just high school.

---

Elocism posted:

---

was the bounty for hard hits or for hurting opposing players?

---

Szerek posted:

---

Yeah, its like football and stuff. Why should players try to hit each other? When I played ball I tried to do that shat for free. That was like the whole point of playing defense was to jack the other team up. If you hit them hard enough they were afraid to play.

---

vn_nnanji posted:

---

Szerek posted:

---

Yeah, its like football and stuff. Why should players try to hit each other? When I played ball I tried to do that shat for free. That was like the whole point of playing defense was to jack the other team up. If you hit them hard enough they were afraid to play.

---

I was associated with Div-1 football and no, no coach I ever saw ever told anyone to knock someone else out. Real pros are about football, not cheap shots.

When you have to knock another player out you're a chickenshit who can't win the right way. Hard hits are one thing...intentional injuries?

That isn't football. That's just cheap shot BS.

Williams got what he deserved and should never be allowed to coach again. NOLA got hit hard but I am glad they did. A message needed to be sent, I'm glad the NFL took this seriously.

---

Voodoo-Dahl posted:

---

Think of all the litigation they'd open themselves up to if they didn't.

---

Article posted:

---

Spare me the outrage, the moral posturing and the sanctimonious grandstanding by anyone who claims to be offended that pro football is a tough, violent, nasty game.

Football has risen to its status as America's favorite sport because of the game's inherent physical nature.

Watch any game at any sports bar, and you hear whoop after whoop after whoop when a helmet-launching hit is replayed once, twice, three times on the television screens.

Speed, athleticism, drama, the betting line – all of that contributes to football's popularity.

But the violence – the big hits -- takes it over the top. It makes the crowd roar.

...

Since Friday's announcement, the reaction among current and former players has been widespread and predictable, with many saying that players have had bounties for decades.

It is part of their game – part of their culture, really – for players to have an incentive among themselves to get a payoff for big plays and big hits.

It's one thing to get a weekly six-figure paycheck from your employer. It's quite another to take a few hundred bucks off a guy you see in your position group's meeting room every day for six months. It's not the money but the achievement.

There is a warrior code in football that puts a premium on toughness, whether it's playing with pain, going over the middle to catch a pass or delivering big hits.

It is celebrated in the history of the game, despite some horrible consequences.

The late Jack Tatum, who spent most of his pro career playing safety for the Raiders and was nicknamed "The Assassin," was involved in one of those horrible events.

In a 1978 exhibition game, Tatum collided with Patriots receiver Darryl Stingley, who was stretched out going for a pass over the middle. Stingley was paralyzed for life. Stingley died in 2007.

Two years after the hit, Tatum wrote his autobiography "They Call Me Assassin." Tatum wrote that he wanted a receiver to go back to the sideline with "train whistles blowing in his head."

To the end, Tatum never expressed regret about his playing style.

Chris Spielman, one of the most admired Lions of his era for his all-out play at linebacker, often spoke about the intent of a hard, legal hit that might put a player out of the game.

But you wanted the player to get up and play the next week, not end his career, Spielman said.

---

Szerek posted:

---

Elocism posted:

---

i dont think you understand the situation

---

No, I understand it perfectly well. This is an NFL who gives wrist slaps and small suspensions for illegal hits but goes all eye-for-an-eye over a pittance paid for legal hits.

Bounty hunting in the NFL is not new, it has been around a long time. I just wonder what it is this time that is causing the NFL to apeshit. What did the Saints do to piss off the NFL?

---

Afio posted:

---

No one has given me the list yet of the players that were carted off the field. I guess the league is also saying that their refs are blind and all need to be replaced.

---

ineenia posted:

---

Until very recently I didn't have an opinion on the subject,but now........




LSU Sucks!!!!!

---

szerek posted:

---

That money to a pro football player is NOTHING. Not even to a rookie making league minimum.

---

Voodoo-Dahl posted:

---

Afio posted:

---

No one has given me the list yet of the players that were carted off the field. I guess the league is also saying that their refs are blind and all need to be replaced.

---

JFC Afio. So since they were often unsuccessful that makes it okay?

---

Voodoo-Dahl posted:

---

Afio posted:

---

No one has given me the list yet of the players that were carted off the field. I guess the league is also saying that their refs are blind and all need to be replaced.

---

JFC Afio. So since they were often unsuccessful that makes it okay?

---

Jorrdan posted:

---

I am surprised at Payton's punishment. It feels excessive when compared to Loomis whom we know blatantly lied by his own admission. To the NFL and to his owner as well. It feels like the punishments between those two should be reversed.

---

Yukishiro1 posted:

---

I don't nkow anything about football so I don't know who is who but the coach who knew about the scheme should have been banned for life, not just for a year or 6 games or whatever. That's minor.

---

Szerek posted:

---

FYI, scrubbing jock straps and filling cups makes not a Div-1 expert on locker room behavior. Or were you a helmet painter?

---

Yukishiro1 posted:

---

Weird, I could have sworn I read that as a 6 game ban, but now it says indeifnitely. Better start wearing tin foil hats, the aliens are getting to me!

---

vn_nnanji posted:

---

Szerek posted:

---

FYI, scrubbing jock straps and filling cups makes not a Div-1 expert on locker room behavior. Or were you a helmet painter?

---

Actually I was on the service squad at USC. The 1988-89 team. Seau, Peete, Carrier. We sent 15 guys to the NFL. Where did you play?

You're the one with the reading disorder. Hard hits is not the same as playing to injure. But a meltdown is a meltdown. Having fun?

---

Szerek posted:

---

It should also be noted, this money was paid out of a pool of PLAYER money.

---

Szerek posted:

---

They were paid MORE for knockouts and injuries. They weren't only paid for injuries.

---

Szerek posted:

---

Ur supposed to hit people in football. Der Der Derp.

---

vn_nnanji posted:

---

Szerek posted:

---

They were paid MORE for knockouts and injuries. They weren't only paid for injuries.

---

The main issue is wanting to injure. THAT is why these people were punished. Dislocated jaws, broken bones, cheap shots. I'm sorry you're in so much of a meltdown that you have lost the ability to think critically and common sense. I know you were the hard hitting badass whereever you played but maybe you got your own brains scrambled.

Nobody is complaining about good solid clean hits. It's wanting to take someone out of the game that is an issue.

You really should see a doctor about that reading disorder. Suh WAS suspended. Why? Because it wasn't a legal hit. THAT is what this is about.

---

Article posted:

---

Chris Spielman, one of the most admired Lions of his era for his all-out play at linebacker, often spoke about the intent of a hard, legal hit that might put a player out of the game.

But you wanted the player to get up and play the next week, not end his career, Spielman said.

---

Thugoneous posted:

---

I used to think Cowboy/Patriots fans were the most obnoxious until the Saints started winning.

So is this worse than Katrina?

---

Afio posted:

---

Thugoneous posted:

---

I used to think Cowboy/Patriots fans were the most obnoxious until the Saints started winning.

So is this worse than Katrina?

---

Ummmm, no, no one died or lost their homes

---

-Espiritu- posted:

---

Afio posted:

---

Thugoneous posted:

---

I used to think Cowboy/Patriots fans were the most obnoxious until the Saints started winning.

So is this worse than Katrina?

---

Ummmm, no, no one died or lost their homes

---

heard a guy today on Chicago sports talk, who claimed to be a Katrina survivor, and said that the Saints got him through it all. He sounded genuinely hurt by this. I think Saints fans have an attachment to their team that is pretty unique, and I feel bad that this happened to the organization.

---