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It amazes me how popular this martial art still is with American Parents. It seems like there is a McDojo in every town.

Teach your kids wrestling, boxing or Brazilian Jiu Jitsu or you're wasting your money.

 

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There is nothing wrong with TKD. Its excellent exercise and teaches kids self discipline. Most parents aren't interested in their child becoming the next GSP.

 

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u have no clue

 

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Wasting their money.. how? By doing something they enjoy? You need more practice at life imo.

 

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TKD is still better than nearly all of the other martial arts for fighting.

It just happens that the MMA fighting styles are better at fighting than TKD.

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I wrestled in high school, studied Japanese JuJutsu in university and did a bit of Pradal Serey until my knee went south. They were all fun.

 

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MMA styles are great for fighting MMA fights. For all other weaponless fights that one may encounter, knowing ANY martial art is probably best - Judo may be suboptimal for a street fight unless you've got some striking techniques thrown in.

When you gaffle someone in the nutsack with a front snap kick and render them sterile, or break a shin or instep and effectively cripple them that's one thing and will likely make an attacker quit AND will bring you limited or minimal, if any legal trouble. If they continue attacking and you break their ribs a round or side piercing kick, you're still very well justified.

However, when you throw someone to the ground, effectively stopping their attack on you, THEN attack back by jumping on them and choking them out, you've gone beyond your legal right to defend yourself unless you can show that the person presented a clear threat to you while laying on the ground - tough to do.

Yeah, if you want to bring a kid up into MMA fighting, get them instruction in a wide variety of throwing, striking, boxing, grappling styles.

If you want to bring a kid up with a healthy constitution, strength, coordination, and self confidence, get them into TKD. TKD is fun to spar with, fun to compete with, and popular - there are TKD schools everywhere, as you noted - and it's EXTREMELY effective for self defense outside of the MMA ring - what's not to like?

 

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Subject: Anyone watch MMA? It's a waste how many people put their kids in TKD.

So many missing the point.

TKD has been proven to be useless as a martial art.

Other martial arts are fun, teach discipline and can possibly help you in the future.

Why would pay to teach your kids something worthless? You might as well be paying for them to go to an arcade if all you're looking for is for them to have a good time. Want to teach them discipline? Any martial art can do that.

If you don't want your kid to be able to defend themselves, turn in your parent card.

If you just want them to have fun, buy them a PSP.

If you want to teach them discipline, there are lots of ways to do this that aren't a complete waste of money.

 

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Subject: Anyone watch MMA? It's a waste how many people put their kids in TKD.
Jaedence posted:

So many missing the point.

TKD has been proven to be useless as a martial art.

Other martial arts are fun, teach discipline and can possibly help you in the future.

Why would pay to teach your kids something worthless? You might as well be paying for them to go to an arcade if all you're looking for is for them to have a good time. Want to teach them discipline? Any martial art can do that.

If you don't want your kid to be able to defend themselves, turn in your parent card.

If you just want them to have fun, buy them a PSP.

If you want to teach them discipline, there are lots of ways to do this that aren't a complete waste of money.


TKD has been proven useless where? Against a pistol at 20 yards? Certainly is, just like any other martial art you will ever see in a MMA ring.

Is it useless against MMA grappling - sure, but that's why MMA fighters learn a broad spectrum of martial arts. They train to be able to absorb and/or avoid strikes to get in close and when you get in close, TKD has no significant throws, bars, or grappling moves except for a couple foot sweeps.

But that's not the point of learning TKD - the point of learning TKD is to foster strength, coordination, self confidence, discipline, and the ability to defend yourself, AND to have fun.



Your argument is like saying "being a crack pistol shot is useless" and then going on to discuss the Battle of the Bulge as your evidence why...

 

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Subject: Anyone watch MMA? It's a waste how many people put their kids in TKD.
Akza posted:
TKD is still better than nearly all of the other martial arts for fighting.

It just happens that the MMA fighting styles are better at fighting than TKD.




You're not making sense. DO you know what a Martial Art is?

Wrestling is a martial art and it is > TKD. Not a theory. Fact.

Muai Thai is a martial are and it is > TKD.

Boxing is a martial art and it is > TKD.

BJJ is a martial art and it is > TKD.

Even capoeira is a martial art, just not a very good one.

So, your two statements make no sense together.

 

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Wtf is TKD?

Also MMA has got to be the most boring thing ever. 2 dudes that just roll on the floor hugging, yeah that's fun sleep

 

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God I wish this MMA fad would die.

 

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Cawlin posted:

TKD has been proven useless where?



In a fight. Against other martial artists.

If you want to bring pistols into it, why not just bring a-bombs in as well?

I just asked "Why train in TKD? Why enroll your kid in it when there are better options available?"

It seems I might as well have asked "Why do you still have a Atari 2600 when a PC is so much better?"






 

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smellymotor posted:
Wtf is TKD?

Also MMA has got to be the most boring thing ever. 2 dudes that just roll on the floor hugging, yeah that's fun sleep


TKD is Tae Kwon Do (spelling varies) - basically punching and kicking technique driven martial art. EXTREMELY effective as self defense against folks not heavily trained as MMA fighters with a variety of techniques in their background.

 

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Jaedence posted:
Cawlin posted:

TKD has been proven useless where?



In a fight. Against other martial artists.

If you want to bring pistols into it, why not just bring a-bombs in as well?

I just asked "Why train in TKD? Why enroll your kid in it when there are better options available?"

It seems I might as well have asked "Why do you still have a Atari 2600 when a PC is so much better?"


So, you know lots of MMA guys going around mugging people?

The pistol thing was an analogy to illustrate the absurdity of your argument.

As for availability - you are incorrect. TKD and "Karate" (though both of these terms usually imply various hybrid forms of striking and kicking techniques) are easily the most widely available martial art training outside of scholastic wrestling in the nation. Weng Chun is coming up in popularity from what I've seen too but not near TKD/Karate yet.

 

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Jaedence posted:
Akza posted:
TKD is still better than nearly all of the other martial arts for fighting.

It just happens that the MMA fighting styles are better at fighting than TKD.




You're not making sense. DO you know what a Martial Art is?



So, your two statements make no sense together.


I meant in the sense of TKD being better than wen-do, capoeira, kenpo, wing chun, etc. I wouldn't say capoeira is better than taekwando.

 

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Oh I know tae kwan do. it's not a useless martial art at all

MMA still sucks though. I rate it as entertaining as WWF wrestling. Do they even know martial arts? They fight like 5 year old brothers in the back yard

 

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smellymotor posted:
Oh I know tae kwan do. it's not a useless martial art at all

MMA still sucks though. I rate it as entertaining as WWF wrestling. Do they even know martial arts? They fight like 5 year old brothers in the back yard


When everyone knows all the kicking/punching techniques, everyone ALSO knows the ways to get around them or through them and is conditioned to be able to do so without taking a catastrophic beating. When you put them in a ring with a cage around it so maneuvering is limited, it's not about endurance or movement, all about the grappling and submission holds.

Yes occasionally matches are decided by striking - but that's usually the scrub level stuff.

Yes, MMA is as boring as it was back in the early 90s when the Gracies were dominating the stupid pay per view Ultimate Fighting matches by just taking the beating dished out by the strikers and getting inside on them and then grappling with their Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and choking or barring everyone out... sleep


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smellymotor posted:
Oh I know tae kwan do. it's not a useless martial art at all

MMA still sucks though. I rate it as entertaining as WWF wrestling. Do they even know martial arts? They fight like 5 year old brothers in the back yard


There is tremendous art in MMA. For example submission grappling is like physical chess, and when you understand it you can see how one position flows into the the next leading to the inevitable checkmate of a submission.

 

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GrymmDAOC posted:
smellymotor posted:
Oh I know tae kwan do. it's not a useless martial art at all

MMA still sucks though. I rate it as entertaining as WWF wrestling. Do they even know martial arts? They fight like 5 year old brothers in the back yard


There is tremendous art in MMA. For example submission grappling is like physical chess, and when you understand it you can see how one position flows into the the next leading to the inevitable checkmate of a submission.


Submission holds are terribly boring to watch though. Nobody thinks it's legit for some 170 lb punk to beat a 220 lb monster with an ankle bar.

FYI, chess isn't a big spectator sport either.

 

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Cawlin posted:
GrymmDAOC posted:
smellymotor posted:
Oh I know tae kwan do. it's not a useless martial art at all

MMA still sucks though. I rate it as entertaining as WWF wrestling. Do they even know martial arts? They fight like 5 year old brothers in the back yard


There is tremendous art in MMA. For example submission grappling is like physical chess, and when you understand it you can see how one position flows into the the next leading to the inevitable checkmate of a submission.


Submission holds are terribly boring to watch though. Nobody thinks it's legit for some 170 lb punk to beat a 220 lb monster with an ankle bar.

FYI, chess isn't a big spectator sport either.


It can be..yeah. That's why professional wrestling mutated from legitimate Catch wrestling matches into the spectacle it is today. Doesn't change the fact that it requires great skill. I am a catch wrestling fan myself.

 

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Jaedence posted:
It amazes me how popular this martial art still is with American Parents. It seems like there is a McDojo in every town.

Teach your kids wrestling, boxing or Brazilian Jiu Jitsu or you're wasting your money.




I spent 7 years with TKD before training BJJ. I'm more dangerous than a BJJ fighter and A LOT more dangerous than a regular TKD fighter.


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There are benefits of training a hard kicking style. For example when I execute a sweep from the guard I'm using the same muscles I've used to throw a thousand crescent kicks. Or when I slap my leg down locking you into an arm, leg or knee bar(or ankle lock) my heel is delivered to your chest with the same speed and training I'd have dropped an axe kick with.


EDIT: One more thing to mention.. There is the TKD you're talking about,Blue wave TKD, the sport and then there is TDK, school of the red wave, which I trained within, which is not a sport. You're not allowed to spar in Red wave because it teaches you not to hit hard. You don't fight in tournaments in Red wave because you're to dangerous for sports. You don't see red wave trained fighters in MMA because people would die.

 

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Galois2005 posted:
God I wish this MMA fad would die.



It is an order of magnitude better than boxing has been, at least since Sugar Ray Leonard and Marvin Hagler retired.

 

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for winning most fights street fights? boxing.

if you can throw a punch where your opponent cant see it coming and you know where to strike then thats all you need.

you are not going to grapple in a street fight. most street fights end after a few punches.

 

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eodoll posted:
for winning most fights street fights? boxing.

if you can throw a punch where your opponent cant see it coming and you know where to strike then thats all you need.

you are not going to grapple in a street fight. most street fights end after a few punches.


Actually, MOST street fights are more grappling than anything - BECAUSE nobody in them knows how to fight. They flail at each other and then clinch and grapple and fall to the ground. This is why all self-defense oriented martial arts will teach you how to avoid being grappled and to neutralize an attacker and stay on your feet and get away. The ground is dangerous outside the MMA ring - there's concrete, asphalt, curbs, broken glass, stones, sticks, other peoples' feet, cars, etc.

Street fights where ONE guy knows even a little bit about fighting end after a punch or two. These are the OVERWHELMINGLY vast minority of "street" fights - despite what you may have seen in Roadhouse. Most people that know anything about fighting are either a) also pretty savvy about avoiding a fight or b) already in jail because they didn't figure out how to avoid a fight.

Street fights between two folks who know how to fight don't actually happen outside of the movies with any frequency worth mentioning - it's like getting struck by lightning.

 

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I love watching MMA. Much more entertaining than boxing. I find boxing incredibly boring.

 

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obviously im talking about street fights where one guy knows how to box and the other guy is a loud mouth.

where both dont know how to fight then its ramdom.. sometimes it ends in a headlock. you can end any fight immediately in the stare down phase by throwing an elbow or punch direct dead center to the tip of the nose.

 

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eodoll posted:
for winning most fights street fights? boxing.

if you can throw a punch where your opponent cant see it coming and you know where to strike then thats all you need.

you are not going to grapple in a street fight. most street fights end after a few punches.


Punching in a street fight laugh



No thanks.

Elbows all day.

 

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Jaedence posted:
It amazes me how popular this martial art still is with American Parents. It seems like there is a McDojo in every town.

Teach your kids wrestling, boxing or Brazilian Jiu Jitsu or you're wasting your money.


Ahh you still haven't matured beyond the
"My preferred martial arts discplines are THE BEST, screw the rest!"
attitude.

You'll get there!!

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Ashmaele posted:
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God I wish this MMA fad would die.

It is an order of magnitude better than boxing has been, at least since Sugar Ray Leonard and Marvin Hagler retired.

Memories! Ash just gave me wood. Add Thomas Hearns to that mix and it was pure golden.

 

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MMA was awesome at first but then they got too good at it.

I don't know enough about it to find the ground game anything but dirt boring. I have zero interest in watching guys wrestle for position on the ground.

Boxing will always be assloads more entertaining for me.

 

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Cawlin posted:
When everyone knows all the kicking/punching techniques, everyone ALSO knows the ways to get around them or through them and is conditioned to be able to do so without taking a catastrophic beating. When you put them in a ring with a cage around it so maneuvering is limited, it's not about endurance or movement, all about the grappling and submission holds.

Yes occasionally matches are decided by striking - but that's usually the scrub level stuff.



This is simply, well, wrong. Go back again and watch UFC 1. Back in 1993 BJJ was king because other styles didn't know how to fight it. MMA today is a mixture of styles where everyone trains a little bit of all styles. A good striker can easily beat a good grappler simply because he can stuff take downs.

These days, even the pure grapplers have to learn to strike or they will lose once they get to any decent competition. If you need an example of this, look at Damian Maia. Damiam Maia was a world champion grappler who destroyed everyone until he started facing top level strikers. People who were good enough at either BJJ or Wrestling to not be taken down. When you can't strike effectively and you face someone you can't get on the ground, you will lose.

BJJ vs any striking discipline, BJJ will always win because they learn to avoid punches and get take downs. I studied Isshinryu and though those years never once were we ever taught how to avoid a take down.

Anderson Silva is arguably one of the best MMA fighters ever. He hasn't lost a fight in 6 years. He fights mainly as a striker. He is also a BJJ black belt who can grapple with the best, but he prefers striking.


To finish, there are more knockouts than submissions in the UFC today, and there are more decisions than knockouts.

 

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Szerek posted:

This is simply, well, wrong. Go back again and watch UFC 1. Back in 1993 BJJ was king because other styles didn't know how to fight it. MMA today is a mixture of styles where everyone trains a little bit of all styles. A good striker can easily beat a good grappler simply because he can stuff take downs.




The gracies also carefully handpicked their opponents to make sure that royce did not face alot of guys who had submission experience. I find it sadly ironic that prior to the second world war, catch wrestling was the dominant form of wrestling in the english speaking world, and was taught to every boy in gradeschool. Then the mommy brigade took over, had it removed and now its almost unknown in the west and mainly taught in Japan.

 

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MMA was awesome at first but then they got too good at it.



I actually disagree here. MMA used to be awful. It was like watching live action Street Fighter. You'd have Skinny Karate Kid (dressed in karate garb) going up against Fat Hells Angels Brawler. No weight classes at all. It was 'entertaining' for a bit until you realized how utterly uncompetitive it really was.

It is much better now imo, even if Dana White is an insufferable punk.

 

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[quote=Yossarian_42]It is much better now imo, even if Dana White is an insufferable punk.


No question there. My biggest beef with the UFC is how very little they pay some of their fighters. Oh, and Dana White is a douche.

 

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Tkd is rooted in shaolin styles.
The only thing an mma fighter has over a standard martial artist of any other style is more practice. Mma also has rules that a street fight doesn't, like elbows to the back of the neck/head, boxing ears, gouging eyes....
Shaolin arm bars are also a lot faster than bjj. There's no need to take them down and roll on the ground with them.there's also knee breaks and shoulder dislocation moves that dont require being on the ground.


I practice several traditional chinese kungfu styles and would gladly go toe to toe with any other fighter of equal skill level.
I'm currently working on getting a little ring time with a boxer I know.

 

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I wonder what it would look like if all the Internet tough guys gathered in a thread...

 

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I wonder what it would look like if all the Internet tough guys gathered in a thread...
Now that would be PPV I would pay for!

 

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I wonder what it would look like if all the Internet tough guys gathered in a thread...


Could the 115lb outposter beat the 400lb outposter!

 

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It's not the martial art, it's the person and the condition they're in. I've known guys who do TKD and are badass fighters, and I've known people who do Wing Chung who like it because they watched Ip Man. I trained in Muay Thai and BJJ, and therewere plenty of good and effective students in my classes. They would be just as good or effective if they trained in another martial art.

 

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MMA is a specific fight style (these days). clearly MMA trained fighters are better all around martial artists than the typical tae kwon do 8 year old.

the early UFC was awesome. i cant stand the UFC these days. UFC used to be all about putting two fighters in a ring and seeing who is better.

the big fat guys got beat up usually..

judo is a good fighting technique but for it to really be effective in the real world youd have to break peoples bones. you cant just pin someone down and say 'do you give up?!?'

breaking a persons elbow or shoulder because of a barroom argument seems like a nice way to get sued.

learn to box and youll be pretty safe in most situations.

 

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Altra_Shadowstalker posted:
It's not the martial art, it's the person and the condition they're in. I've known guys who do TKD and are badass fighters, and I've known people who do Wing Chung who like it because they watched Ip Man. I trained in Muay Thai and BJJ, and therewere plenty of good and effective students in my classes. They would be just as good or effective if they trained in another martial art.




Exactly.
All styles are basically equall.
The skill level of the artist is where the difference lies..
I would love to spar with anyone who's around my skill level. There's always something to learn.

Sport fighting may be dominated by wrestlers, but their rules would hurt them if it really came down to it.

 

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Altra_Shadowstalker posted:
It's not the martial art, it's the person and the condition they're in. I've known guys who do TKD and are badass fighters, and I've known people who do Wing Chung who like it because they watched Ip Man. I trained in Muay Thai and BJJ, and therewere plenty of good and effective students in my classes. They would be just as good or effective if they trained in another martial art.




Exactly.
All styles are basically equall.
The skill level of the artist is where the difference lies..
I would love to spar with anyone who's around my skill level. There's always something to learn.

Sport fighting may be dominated by wrestlers, but their rules would hurt them if it really came down to it.


You guys are hilarious in your ignorance.

Take two eighteen year old kids of equal weight and build. Train one of them in wrestling for two years, the other in TKD for two years. Have them fight until one of them is knocked out or quits.

The wrestler will win every time this experiment is run.

Here, take a look at this.

"In 1971, Van Clief created his own style of martial arts, called "Chinese Goju," attempting to unify Japanese style goju-ryu with its roots in Chinese martial arts. He currently holds the rank of 10th degree red belt (shidoshi or grandmaster), in this system. On December 16, 1994, Ron Van Clief returned to the ring to fight in the 4th Ultimate Fighting Championship, as the oldest competitor to date to fight in the UFC at the age of 51.Van Clief's sole fight in the tournament was against Brazilian jiu-jitsu exponent Royce Gracie. Gracie won the match by submission with a rear naked choke near the four-minute mark. Ron went on to serve as the commissioner of the UFC. Ron Van Clief retired from competition in 2002 after winning the All American Karate Championship at 60 years old. Ron competed in over 900 tournaments in over 40 years on the tournament circuit. Ron Van Clief retired as a 5 time world karate/kungfu champion and 15 time all American champion."

One of the best Kung Fu practitioners in the world, defeated in four minutes by a Brazilian Jiu Jitsu practitioner.

Yeah - it's all about the guy not the fighting style.


 

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So many luls in this thread.

I loved watching boxing growing up in the 70s and 80s and by the Tyson era, things had gone so far down the rabbit hole for that sport that Tyson's meltdown wasn't even a great loss as far as I was concerned - just another step towards the circus of absurdity that is pro wrestling.

For me back in the early 90s, I watched some UFC where Royce Gracie I think it was just turtled up on guys and then choked them out and it was like: "wow, we paid $45 for this?"

Then MMA came along and people were all like "You gotta watch this man, it's brutal, look!" and I saw some youtubes of scrubs breaking bones in the under-undercard matches... then I saw some big time "main event" fight where some dude put Brock Lesner in a foot bar of some sort or other and got him to submit and realized what a pile of unentertaining garbage it was.

As for the whole Gracie thing, you can say what you want about him and his clan, but he/they basically put UFC/MMA on the map.

I studied a little judo in college, and a little TKD in a traditional class after. At the same time I was studying a little Weng Chun and some hybrid Aikido and Krav Maga stuff thrown into what the instructor called his "Urban Defense Tactics" class and I came to realize one thing about it all:

"The most important instruction I am getting here about fighting is to not get into one, and for the one in a million chance that I can't avoid a fight: have a gun."

After realizing that, all any martial art training was for me was a way to condition the body and achieve some physical and mental discipline - both good things - regardless of the actual art you're studying. Everything else is immaterial because I don't make my living in a MMA/UFC ring.

Everyone's got their hypothetical best case this and worst case that and this is better than that arguments and all of it is bullsiht. As noted above, it's about the skill of the artist and how they apply their skill that will make the difference.

 

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Yeah, pitting a FIFTY-ONE YEAR OLD guy no one has ever heard about using his own martial art vs. Royce Gracie using a very new style of fighting does not prove my point that it's about the person. No, not at all.

Dumbass.

 

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For me back in the early 90s, I watched some UFC where Royce Gracie I think it was just turtled up on guys and then choked them out and it was like: "wow, we paid $45 for this?"

Then MMA came along and people were all like "You gotta watch this man, it's brutal, look!" and I saw some youtubes of scrubs breaking bones in the under-undercard matches... then I saw some big time "main event" fight where some dude put Brock Lesner in a foot bar of some sort or other and got him to submit and realized what a pile of unentertaining garbage it was.




So you are an MMA expert because the sum total of your MMA experience is UFC 1 watching Brock Lesnar lose to Frank Mir by kneebar in the second fight of his career.

You do conform to the outpost standards. Everyone here in an f'in budget expert because they have a checkbook. grin


Also, Altra, define "new". BJJ was founded in 1882. Are you talking like, the vacuum tube is "new", or maybe new like the "light bulb" is new?

 

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Cawlin posted:
For me back in the early 90s, I watched some UFC where Royce Gracie I think it was just turtled up on guys and then choked them out and it was like: "wow, we paid $45 for this?"

Then MMA came along and people were all like "You gotta watch this man, it's brutal, look!" and I saw some youtubes of scrubs breaking bones in the under-undercard matches... then I saw some big time "main event" fight where some dude put Brock Lesner in a foot bar of some sort or other and got him to submit and realized what a pile of unentertaining garbage it was.




So you are an MMA expert because the sum total of your MMA experience is UFC 1 watching Brock Lesnar lose to Frank Mir by kneebar in the second fight of his career.

You do conform to the outpost standards. Everyone here in an f'in budget expert because they have a checkbook. grin


I didn't say I was an expert, I said I thought it was unentertaining garbage.

I get that you wish you were some sort of MMA hard guy or something, but it doesn't make my opinions any less valid on this tripe.

You remind me of the 13 year old kids that would get all in your face if you said that their own favorite pro wrestler was a joke or that the sport was a joke - as if them screaming that JYD IS AWESOME! made it so...

 

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Anytime you want to come wrestle against my kungfu, you just let me know.

But I dont want to hear you cry when I seperate your knees or elbos.
And no complaining about being kicked in the nuts or speared in the kidneys either.


Most martial arts aren't really for sport fighting.
Tone it down to meet the rules of a sport match and of course the experienced sport fighter is going to win.

 

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I didn't say I was an expert, I said I thought it was unentertaining garbage.

I get that you wish you were some sort of MMA hard guy or something, but it doesn't make my opinions any less valid on this tripe.

You remind me of the 13 year old kids that would get all in your face if you said that their own favorite pro wrestler was a joke or that the sport was a joke - as if them screaming that JYD IS AWESOME! made it so...


You've got one hell of an imagination. I never said I was any kind of MMA guy, except a fan of the sport. You come into a thread about MMA fighting and spout "facts" about MMA fighting styles when your total experience is maybe two events spaced nearly 20 years apart.

Then you bring up professional wrasslin probably to cover the douche scent you are putting out right now, however, you could be comparing MMA to WWE, however, MMA is sanction in the same was as boxing, so are you saying Boxing = WWE?

I've already refuted your "most fights are boring submissions" argument so what is your point other than you are an expert on fighting styles you know nothing about?

 

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Szerek posted:
Cawlin posted:
I didn't say I was an expert, I said I thought it was unentertaining garbage.

I get that you wish you were some sort of MMA hard guy or something, but it doesn't make my opinions any less valid on this tripe.

You remind me of the 13 year old kids that would get all in your face if you said that their own favorite pro wrestler was a joke or that the sport was a joke - as if them screaming that JYD IS AWESOME! made it so...


You've got one hell of an imagination. I never said I was any kind of MMA guy, except a fan of the sport. You come into a thread about MMA fighting and spout "facts" about MMA fighting styles when your total experience is maybe two events spaced nearly 20 years apart.

Then you bring up professional wrasslin probably to cover the douche scent you are putting out right now, however, you could be comparing MMA to WWE, however, MMA is sanction in the same was as boxing, so are you saying Boxing = WWE?

I've already refuted your "most fights are boring submissions" argument so what is your point other than you are an expert on fighting styles you know nothing about?


ROFL you are EXACTLY the kind of "rasslin" tard that used to get all in peoples' face who thought it was garbage. You're proving it for the third time in this thread.

When I was in 7th grade the rasslin douches used to get all hyped up about their silly TV show and whenever anyone made fun of it or them, they'd all start yelling and screaming at what a douche you were... and about how the JYD could beat your ass because you thought rasslin was stupid... or about how they could probably beat you up themselves because you thought Hulkamania was dumb...

You crack me the fk up dude. Seriously.

 

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imaloon1 posted:
I wonder what it would look like if all the Internet tough guys gathered in a thread...


laugh

I took a few years of TKD as a fun way to spend an hour or so a couple of times a week. It was definitely a McTKD school. I had a blast, learned the basic techniques they taught to the point of being reasonably effective sparring vs. my peers, and concluded that TKD as a martial art in that area was taught for ritualized combat rather than street fighting. I don't think in any real world situation I would ever throw most of the kicks they taught beyond snap kicks. Otoh, the punching and striking stuff will always be handy and hopefully help prevent me from breaking my hand bones if I have to deal with a belligerent drunk osemthin. happy



 

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ROFL you are EXACTLY the kind of "rasslin" tard that used to get all in peoples' face who thought it was garbage. You're proving it for the third time in this thread.

When I was in 7th grade the rasslin douches used to get all hyped up about their silly TV show and whenever anyone made fun of it or them, they'd all start yelling and screaming at what a douche you were... and about how the JYD could beat your ass because you thought rasslin was stupid... or about how they could probably beat you up themselves because you thought Hulkamania was dumb...

You crack me the fk up dude. Seriously.


At least I'm cracking you up. You are still making no fkn sense. MMA is not a TV show, it is a sport. I don't give a rats ass if you like MMA. You've been in this thread from the beginning claiming to be some kind of martial arts expert, which I certainly am not.

Allow me to introduce you to your own douchebaggery. happy


Cawk posted:
MMA styles are great for fighting MMA fights. For all other weaponless fights that one may encounter, knowing ANY martial art is probably best - Judo may be suboptimal for a street fight unless you've got some striking techniques thrown in.


You are professing a great knowledge of MMA and Judo.


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However, when you throw someone to the ground, effectively stopping their attack on you, THEN attack back by jumping on them and choking them out, you've gone beyond your legal right to defend yourself unless you can show that the person presented a clear threat to you while laying on the ground - tough to do.


You are an internet lawyer.


Cawk posted:
Yeah, if you want to bring a kid up into MMA fighting, get them instruction in a wide variety of throwing, striking, boxing, grappling styles.


Here is the biggest line that shows you full of shit. MMA fighters train nearly ALL styles. Boxing, wrestling, BJJ, Judo, etc. That's what MMA stands for MIXED martial arts (In words you may more easily understand, "a variety of martial arts styles")

Here is your precious TKD vs BJJ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swwLIRnRzbU The rules? BJJ guy couldn't punch or elbow but the TKD guy could.

You seem to defend crappy TKD like some 13 year old defending their favorite WWE wrassler!

Or maybe we should just bow down to your superior street fighting experience.

 

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laugh

I'm back in 7th grade again!

l2read in context of the statements you fkn monkey

 

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rut-roh, someone is getting riled up. grin

laugh I haven't been in a thread like this for a while.

 

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cry SOMEONE DOESN'T LIKE MMA, THEY'RE A DOUCHE AND I AM GOING TO CALL THEM NAMES ON THE INTERNET AND THEN PRETEND LIKE THEY'RE THE ONES MELTING DOWN INSTEAD OF ME! I could probably kick anyone's ass who doesn't like MMA just by yelling out the names of my favorite MMA guys just like the kids who loved pro wrestling!


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Szerek posted:
cry SOMEONE DOESN'T LIKE MMA, THEY'RE A DOUCHE AND I AM GOING TO CALL THEM NAMES ON THE INTERNET AND THEN PRETEND LIKE THEY'RE THE ONES MELTING DOWN INSTEAD OF ME! I could probably kick anyone's ass who doesn't like MMA just by yelling out the names of my favorite MMA guys just like the kids who loved pro wrestling!


sleep


Nah, you are just pissy because everyone knows TKD blows goats. No one here is melty but you my friend.

 

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MMA fighters do not even come close to training ALL styles of martial arts.
there are probably thousands of styles.
what they do is cherry pick techniques from various styles that are easy and potentially effective so they can start wrastling.

they dont even come close to fully training ANY style of anything



MMA is basically a style of its own with a judo base and a few other handy techniques thrown in for good measure.





and i think a skilled TKD fighter would probably own most MMA fighters in a real fight.

like ive mentioned before, kidney spears, spleen hits, throat attacks, hits to the back of the neck and head, nut shots....
those are all valuable techniques that an MMA fighter wouldnt know how to counter because he doesnt have to deal with them in a ring, with rules against those types of shots.

 

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Jesus, both of you shut up. This thread went from a "my daddy can beat up your daddy" to a noU! thread and isn't worth the potential meltdown either of you are heading towards. If someone's going to meltdown at least do it in an entertaining way in a thread someone cares about.

 

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Who needs wrestling, TKD, or anything else when you have .... GUNS!

 

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and i think a skilled TKD fighter would probably own most MMA fighters in a real fight.

like ive mentioned before, kidney spears, spleen hits, throat attacks, hits to the back of the neck and head, nut shots....
those are all valuable techniques that an MMA fighter wouldnt know how to counter because he doesnt have to deal with them in a ring, with rules against those types of shots.


Unless you train submission defense and takedown defense, you are going down, and you are going to be submitted. This was proven time and time again in the early years of MMA where there were almost no rules at all.

And MMA guys are perfectly capable of liver kicks and the like. Just ask Brock Lesnar.

 

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and i think a skilled TKD fighter would probably own most MMA fighters in a real fight.

like ive mentioned before, kidney spears, spleen hits, throat attacks, hits to the back of the neck and head, nut shots....
those are all valuable techniques that an MMA fighter wouldnt know how to counter because he doesnt have to deal with them in a ring, with rules against those types of shots.


Unless you train submission defense and takedown defense, you are going down, and you are going to be submitted. This was proven time and time again in the early years of MMA where there were almost no rules at all.

And MMA guys are perfectly capable of liver kicks and the like. Just ask Brock Lesnar.






reading comprehension is your friend

also, if you go back and actually read yould see that i already agreed with you about sport fighting

 

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When everyone knows all the kicking/punching techniques, everyone ALSO knows the ways to get around them or through them and is conditioned to be able to do so without taking a catastrophic beating. When you put them in a ring with a cage around it so maneuvering is limited, it's not about endurance or movement, all about the grappling and submission holds.

Yes occasionally matches are decided by striking - but that's usually the scrub level stuff.



This is simply, well, wrong. Go back again and watch UFC 1. Back in 1993 BJJ was king because other styles didn't know how to fight it. MMA today is a mixture of styles where everyone trains a little bit of all styles. A good striker can easily beat a good grappler simply because he can stuff take downs.

These days, even the pure grapplers have to learn to strike or they will lose once they get to any decent competition. If you need an example of this, look at Damian Maia. Damiam Maia was a world champion grappler who destroyed everyone until he started facing top level strikers. People who were good enough at either BJJ or Wrestling to not be taken down. When you can't strike effectively and you face someone you can't get on the ground, you will lose.

BJJ vs any striking discipline, BJJ will always win because they learn to avoid punches and get take downs. I studied Isshinryu and though those years never once were we ever taught how to avoid a take down.

Anderson Silva is arguably one of the best MMA fighters ever. He hasn't lost a fight in 6 years. He fights mainly as a striker. He is also a BJJ black belt who can grapple with the best, but he prefers striking.


To finish, there are more knockouts than submissions in the UFC today, and there are more decisions than knockouts.







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GrymmDAOC posted:
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and i think a skilled TKD fighter would probably own most MMA fighters in a real fight.

like ive mentioned before, kidney spears, spleen hits, throat attacks, hits to the back of the neck and head, nut shots....
those are all valuable techniques that an MMA fighter wouldnt know how to counter because he doesnt have to deal with them in a ring, with rules against those types of shots.


Unless you train submission defense and takedown defense, you are going down, and you are going to be submitted. This was proven time and time again in the early years of MMA where there were almost no rules at all.

And MMA guys are perfectly capable of liver kicks and the like. Just ask Brock Lesnar.






reading comprehension is your friend

also, if you go back and actually read yould see that i already agreed with you about sport fighting

I mean no disrespect, but..

It doesn't matter if it it is on the 'street' or not not. Assuming weapons aren't a factor, if you do not know how to defend a takedown, you are going down. And once you are down, that submission artist is going to break your fucking elbow or shoulder. All the superninja stuff in the world wont help once you are on your back with some dude mounting you.

 

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sweeny_comodore posted:
GrymmDAOC posted:
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and i think a skilled TKD fighter would probably own most MMA fighters in a real fight.

like ive mentioned before, kidney spears, spleen hits, throat attacks, hits to the back of the neck and head, nut shots....
those are all valuable techniques that an MMA fighter wouldnt know how to counter because he doesnt have to deal with them in a ring, with rules against those types of shots.


Unless you train submission defense and takedown defense, you are going down, and you are going to be submitted. This was proven time and time again in the early years of MMA where there were almost no rules at all.

And MMA guys are perfectly capable of liver kicks and the like. Just ask Brock Lesnar.






reading comprehension is your friend

also, if you go back and actually read yould see that i already agreed with you about sport fighting

I mean no disrespect, but..

It doesn't matter if it it is on the 'street' or not not. Assuming weapons aren't a factor, if you do not know how to defend a takedown, you are going down. And once you are down, that submission artist is going to break your fucking elbow or shoulder. All the superninja stuff in the world wont help once you are on your back with some dude mounting you.

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actually it does matter.
the ring has rules. the street doesnt
ever seen someone lips get ripped, eyes gouged out, ears boxed in an MMA ring?
ever notice how the ref stops the fight when someone gets kicked in the nuts? theres no ref in the street.


heres some shaolin vs MMA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TErMWRNB-yM&feature=related

 

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That right there is the problem.

Assume there's no weapon.

Assume it's a one on one.

Assume your enemy has honor.

Assume assume assume.

The last place I want to end up in a street fight is on the ground. While I've gotten past your guard, into the full mount and am applying my kamora rear naked choke armbar Americano, your buddy just smashed a glass bottle on my head and is stabbing me with the remainder. My buddies can point out i beat the first guy by almost choking him out... At my eulogy.

Personally, I'd rather figure out a way to defend myself while i retreat. I wouldn't knock those who train in the ground game though (as i said, i trained BJJ for about a year or two myself). Knowing how to put up a defense is important, as is learning how to fall.

 

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and i think a skilled TKD fighter would probably own most MMA fighters in a real fight.

like ive mentioned before, kidney spears, spleen hits, throat attacks, hits to the back of the neck and head, nut shots....
those are all valuable techniques that an MMA fighter wouldnt know how to counter because he doesnt have to deal with them in a ring, with rules against those types of shots.


Unless you train submission defense and takedown defense, you are going down, and you are going to be submitted. This was proven time and time again in the early years of MMA where there were almost no rules at all.

And MMA guys are perfectly capable of liver kicks and the like. Just ask Brock Lesnar.






reading comprehension is your friend

also, if you go back and actually read yould see that i already agreed with you about sport fighting

I mean no disrespect, but..

It doesn't matter if it it is on the 'street' or not not. Assuming weapons aren't a factor, if you do not know how to defend a takedown, you are going down. And once you are down, that submission artist is going to break your fucking elbow or shoulder. All the superninja stuff in the world wont help once you are on your back with some dude mounting you.

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actually it does matter.
the ring has rules. the street doesnt
ever seen someone lips get ripped, eyes gouged out, ears boxed in an MMA ring?
ever notice how the ref stops the fight when someone gets kicked in the nuts? theres no ref in the street.


heres some shaolin vs MMA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TErMWRNB-yM&feature=related [/quote]

Of course there are refs in the street. That is the guy that usually gets hit next. My brother in law was in a fight in a bar once and a cop grabbed him by the shoulder to pull him away. He broke the cops jaw with an elbow smash as he thought he was being attacked. he spent a little time in jail but the cop admitted he should have let him know who he was before grabbing him in a heated moment.

I only stop street fights with help and if it looks to be heading in a deadly direction.

 

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actually it does matter.
the ring has rules. the street doesnt
ever seen someone lips get ripped, eyes gouged out, ears boxed in an MMA ring?
ever notice how the ref stops the fight when someone gets kicked in the nuts? theres no ref in the street.


heres some shaolin vs MMA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TErMWRNB-yM&feature=related



a) You do realize there are no *actual* shaolin martial monks in existence
b) They are fighting an MMA match, with rules
c) If you can find me an example of a shaolin martial monk fighting a first rank MMA guy and winning (as opposed to a random chinese dude fighting a nobody) let me know.

when a *world champion* striker with no takedown or subimission goes against someone who knows what they are doing this is what happens

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt8thufC6oo

 

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you want to be a shaolin martial monk?

http://www.suntaijiquan.com/

http://www.shaolin.org.cn/templates/EN_T_video_main/index.aspx?nodeid=300



you know a martial monk is just a shaolin monk minus the religious mumbo jumbo, right?

 

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wtf is a striker?

ted striker?

 

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While adhering to the theories of Huang- Di's Nine Chamber Scriptures, the Taoist, Wu Dao Zi, of the Tang dynasty (618 AD - 906 AD) blended the static and kinetic self-defense features of the birds, animals, boxing and swordsmanship comprising the skills of wrestling, striking, seizing and kicking as well as the skills of chi control and spirit preservation through the cultivation of bone marrow washing. This school was named Little Nine Heaven Wu Tao. The students of this school were responsible for guarding the temples of the Taoist priests. posted:






MMA was invented by the shaolin monks, 1500 years ago.
and youre going to say hoyce gracie does it better?

the difference between a prize fighter and a skilled monk is the prize fighter is trying to prove something

 

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There are NO shaolin martial monks. They were all killed off by the Qing Dynasty centuries ago. The people posing as shaolin martial monks are wushu dancers playing for tourist dollars. They are fake. The most famous "Shaolin Monk" lives in hawaii and has a child with the daughter of a famous black activist. They are fake.

The real shaolin monastery has a handful of monks in it, none of them martial. Just ask Jet Li. My wife is Chinese. Ask her parents. They know the score. I honestly respect most martial arts, and I do love and respect Han culture and history. I really do. The Han are a very great people, worthy of emulation (so fug you Dae trist). In time, I will probably study Tai Qi Chuan (even though I think Qi is a load of bull) but you need to know the score. Lies serves no one. There is no traceable "Shaolin Kung Fu". And the kung masters are, all too often, idiots. That is why the Chinese bases their military combatives striking on boxing.


 

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There are NO shaolin martial monks. They were all killed off by the Qing Dynasty centuries ago. The people posing as shaolin martial monks are wushu dancers playing for tourist dollars. They are fake. The most famous "Shaolin Monk" lives in hawaii and has a child with the daughter of a famous black activist. They are fake.

The real shaolin monastery has a handful of monks in it, none of them martial. Just ask Jet Li. My wife is Chinese. Ask her parents. They know the score. I honestly respect most martial arts, and I do love and respect Han culture and history. I really do. The Han are a very great people, worthy of emulation (so fug you Dae trist). In time, I will probably study Tai Qi Chuan (even though I think Qi is a load of bull) but you need to know the score. Lies serves no one. There is no traceable "Shaolin Kung Fu". And the kung masters are, all too often, idiots. That is why the Chinese bases their military combatives striking on boxing.







youre an idiot. seriously

you think no shaolin survived past the 1930s?
all of them were murdered? none of their students or masters escaped as refugees?

ask your wife about tienemen square. see if her "official chinese" version matches up to the "western reality" of what really happened.
then go back and question her again about shaolin and its lineage into modern day

 

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Ask Jet mutha fuggin' li how many monks are at Shaolin.

The Qing dynastey killed em all off to keep em from supporting the ming.

 

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Ask Jet mutha fuggin' li how many monks are at Shaolin.

The Qing dynastey killed em all off to keep em from supporting the ming.




ALL of them?
really?
because jet mutha figgin' li says so?

didnt clooney say he was moving to canada if bush was voted in a second time?

actors....

 

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No, beacuse Jet mutha fuggin' Li went to the temple.

And you know what he saw?

Ruins. Ruins and a handful of monks. None of them martial. he did see lots of wushu schools in Shaolin though.



 

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That right there is the problem.

Assume there's no weapon.

Assume it's a one on one.

Assume your enemy has honor.

Assume assume assume.

The last place I want to end up in a street fight is on the ground. While I've gotten past your guard, into the full mount and am applying my kamora rear naked choke armbar Americano, your buddy just smashed a glass bottle on my head and is stabbing me with the remainder. My buddies can point out i beat the first guy by almost choking him out... At my eulogy.

Personally, I'd rather figure out a way to defend myself while i retreat. I wouldn't knock those who train in the ground game though (as i said, i trained BJJ for about a year or two myself). Knowing how to put up a defense is important, as is learning how to fall.


I am not going to argue with this. The combat grappling art of medieval europe was called kampfringen, which translates to "war grappling". There is no ground game in kampfringen, because you cannot pull guard against a pollaxe. That being said, the PEASANT arts of europe had a ground game, because peasants dont carry a sword.

 

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Shaolin fantasies are funneh stuff.

Surely, somewhere the secret arts have been kept alive by an ancient master and his young protege.

 

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http://www.shaolin.org.cn/templates/EN_T_new_list/index.aspx?nodeid=375


a ruined temple and handfull of monks does not mean that none of the shaolin martial monks escaped the destruction.
it does not mean that the shaolin styles are extinct



since when did the words of actors mean anything?

 

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaolin_Monastery#Destructions

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In 1928, the warlord Shi Yousan set fire to the monastery, burning it for over 40 days, destroying a significant percent of the buildings including many manuscripts of the temple library.[11]

The Cultural Revolution launched in 1966 targeted religious orders including the monastery. The five monks who were present at the monastery when the Red Guard attacked were shackled and made to wear placards declaring the crimes charged against them.[11] The monks were jailed after publicly being flogged and paraded through the street as people threw rubbish at them.[11] The government purged Buddhist materials from within the monastery walls, leaving it barren for years.


Although Jet Li is a bit more than an actor, I understand your desire to dismiss his story.

 

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I am not going to argue with this. The combat grappling art of medieval europe was called kampfringen, which translates to "war grappling". There is no ground game in kampfringen, because you cannot pull guard against a pollaxe. That being said, the PEASANT arts of europe had a ground game, because peasants dont carry a sword.




As i understand it, people were wearing so much armor back then that the only way to kill someone really was get him on the ground and 4 or 5 of you had to swarm him. I know armor wasn't as restrictive as we think, but i doubt a ground game probably wouldn't help you much in defending yourself from that so you could pull yourself out of the mud and back on your feet.

 

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At the peak of its historical influence, the temple ran 25 sub-temples with as many as 800-plus monks.




so which temple, exactly, was it that was burned and ALL 5 of the monks jailed?

and of the thousands of fighting monks that were housed in the temples, how many of them were jailed or murdered?




you people suck at the internet

and why do we care what actors say, again?

 

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stabbity stabbity?

 

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At the peak of its historical influence, the temple ran 25 sub-temples with as many as 800-plus monks.




so which temple, exactly, was it that was burned and ALL 5 of the monks jailed?

and of the thousands of fighting monks that were housed in the temples, how many of them were jailed or murdered?




you people suck at the internet

and why do we care what actors say, again?


Whyfor are you hating on Jet Li? Do you realize that his movie was a primary cause for the restoration of the Temple? If it weren't for his movie, you'd likely never have heard of this stuff you so desperately want to believe is real. You should be sure to run out and sign up so you can learn the secrets of the Iron Shirt and the Cinnabar Palm! It looks like you already have the Iron Head down pat. grin

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I am not going to argue with this. The combat grappling art of medieval europe was called kampfringen, which translates to "war grappling". There is no ground game in kampfringen, because you cannot pull guard against a pollaxe. That being said, the PEASANT arts of europe had a ground game, because peasants dont carry a sword.




As i understand it, people were wearing so much armor back then that the only way to kill someone really was get him on the ground and 4 or 5 of you had to swarm him. I know armor wasn't as restrictive as we think, but i doubt a ground game probably wouldn't help you much in defending yourself from that so you could pull yourself out of the mud and back on your feet.



A ground game doesn't help you because pointy bits of metal change everything. You can be the greatest super ninja alive, but if some one sticks a pointy bit of steel into your groin, you die

Armoured fighting reflected this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4k-vjdeZO4





 

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Subject: Anyone watch MMA? It's a waste how many people put their kids in TKD.
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shaolin posted:
At the peak of its historical influence, the temple ran 25 sub-temples with as many as 800-plus monks.




so which temple, exactly, was it that was burned and ALL 5 of the monks jailed?

and of the thousands of fighting monks that were housed in the temples, how many of them were jailed or murdered?




you people suck at the internet

and why do we care what actors say, again?


Whyfor are you hating on Jet Li? Do you realize that his movie was a primary cause for the restoration of the Temple? If it weren't for his movie, you'd likely never have heard of this stuff you so desperately want to believe is real. You should be sure to run out and sign up so you can learn the secrets of the Iron Shirt and the Cinnabar Palm! It looks like you already have the Iron Head down pat. grin

laugh




i just want to know which one of the 25 temples youre talking about.
this stuff went down barely 100 years ago. and you already act as if its the dead sea scrolls being uncovered in a long lost cave somewhere.
why youre panties so tight?






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He did not learn Nanquan (Southern fist), because his training focused only in the Northern Shaolin Styles. He has also studied some of wushu's main weapons, such Sanjiegun (Three section staff), Gun (staff), Dao (Broadsword), Jian (Straight sword) and many more.[7]


 

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It doesn't matter if it it is on the 'street' or not not. Assuming weapons aren't a factor, if you do not know how to defend a takedown, you are going down. And once you are down, that submission artist is going to break your fucking elbow or shoulder. All the superninja stuff in the world wont help once you are on your back with some dude mounting you.
Pretty much this.

Almost all "street fights" go to the ground at some point. Even people not trained in grappling or MMA or whatever, if they perceive themselves as having a size or strength advantage they will take you down to pummel the crap out of you.

If you're serious about being able to handle yourself in a street fight, then having some grappling training is a prerequisite - if for no other reason so that you can effectively defend against it.

 

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a good juu jutsu fighter would learn how to defend from getting hit... i think ju jitsu is one of the better styles but its passive. 1v1 usually goes to the judo guy. there are always exceptions but if the judo guy can get his arms around you then he will use pressure piints and do whatever to either break your neck or bones.

i think fight sports have pretty much proven the effectiveness of grappling on 1v1 sutuations. for a kicker/puncher to beat a hrappler requires that the grappler make a big mistake or be bery much outclassed.

 

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lol
a bunch of pansies talking about how street fights go down.
memorize and regurgitate much?

you know what you do when you go down in a street fight?
you shove your thumb in his eye, grab a hand full of ear or flappy cheek and yank, etc...
pull a tyson and bite his friggin ear off.


you know how you avoid going down in a street fight?
kick em harder than they are rushing you, drop your elbow on the base of their skull, grab them and flip them over the top of you....


grappling training for a street fight, lol


you try your grappling crap on me and your going to come up missing parts or your flesh and face.
my teeth are sharper than your shoulder muscle. the tips of my fingers are stronger than your squishy eyeballs.

this is why grappling doesnt work outside the ring on another trained fighter, or anyone who is capable of keeping their wits about them.
street fights go to the ground because people are scared and dont know how to fight.



you know how many street fights ive been in?

more than you

know how many times ive been wrastling in a street fight?

less than you roll around in the sheets with your boyfriends dog

 

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street fights are so random... its usually drink idiots and thats why it goes to the ground.

 

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eodoll posted:
street fights are so random... its usually drink idiots and thats why it goes to the ground.




 

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i was going to make a reply 10 hours ago but even a thread about MMA is so boring that i fell asleep

 

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Grappling has an advantage over striking in a ring. Fact.

World class BJJ fighters can go full out with their styles in a ring. Fact.

World class strikers can't. People would die.

 

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Grappling has an advantage over striking in a ring. Fact.

World class BJJ fighters can go full out with their styles in a ring. Fact.

World class strikers can't. People would die.

 

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grapplers hold back too...they do submission moves rather than break and kill moves.

i recall seeing one fighter get a guy to submit in 30 seconds or something (frank something).. he had to hold back because he couldve snapped his arm just as quick.

 

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eodoll posted:
grapplers hold back too...they do submission moves rather than break and kill moves.

i recall seeing one fighter get a guy to submit in 30 seconds or something (frank something).. he had to hold back because he couldve snapped his arm just as quick.



I've fought matches where I could have broken people's bones if they didn't tap. That's up to them if they don't want to recognize a checkmate. That's not the sort of holding back I mean. Example, without thinking, if I were to strike you I'd probably hit you dead in the throat with a kick you wont see coming. I have to downshift out of my training so I don't hurt my opponent. BJJ doesn't train you to pop spines with a choke. Your muscle memory doesn't progress into breaks but into check mate locks. You automatically stop before lethality. It's the opposite with striking. I trained real tkd and I trained MMA(JapaneseJJ/BJJ/judo/muay thai ect. MMA is more a sport and as such is becoming perfected against itself in practice against itself. But I have a hard time explaining to MMA fans(which are quite well educated about fighting and styles)that there is a level of martial artist in the world that would straight kill four of your favorite MMA heroes at one time, in real life. It's hard to imagine, but it's paint ball against live fire.

 

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thats if you can hit a moving target who can defend himself in the neck.

if youre fighting a guy like me that isnt a fighter then its different.

if youre fighting a guy trained to see what youre doing and defend himself them you have to be particularly lucky for him to expose his neck or chin.

 

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Well, there are fighters, ill, and there are warriors. We enjoy watching people fight, not wage war on one another and its easy to get caught up in the theatrics of fighting.

 

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illmyrin posted:
eodoll posted:
grapplers hold back too...they do submission moves rather than break and kill moves.

i recall seeing one fighter get a guy to submit in 30 seconds or something (frank something).. he had to hold back because he couldve snapped his arm just as quick.



I've fought matches where I could have broken people's bones if they didn't tap. That's up to them if they don't want to recognize a checkmate. That's not the sort of holding back I mean. Example, without thinking, if I were to strike you I'd probably hit you dead in the throat with a kick you wont see coming. I have to downshift out of my training so I don't hurt my opponent. BJJ doesn't train you to pop spines with a choke. Your muscle memory doesn't progress into breaks but into check mate locks. You automatically stop before lethality. It's the opposite with striking. I trained real tkd and I trained MMA(JapaneseJJ/BJJ/judo/muay thai ect. MMA is more a sport and as such is becoming perfected against itself in practice against itself. But I have a hard time explaining to MMA fans(which are quite well educated about fighting and styles)that there is a level of martial artist in the world that would straight kill four of your favorite MMA heroes at one time, in real life. It's hard to imagine, but it's paint ball against live fire.





thats what ive been saying
these people dont get it though.
they are like the 13yo kid who just had his favorite pro wrastler dissed.

 

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This thread is a tragic display.

 

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eodoll posted:
thats if you can hit a moving target who can defend himself in the neck.

if youre fighting a guy like me that isnt a fighter then its different.

if youre fighting a guy trained to see what youre doing and defend himself them you have to be particularly lucky for him to expose his neck or chin.





MMA fighters learn a handfull of techniques from various styles
they practice the hell out of them till its second nature.

throw something new at them, like a standing knee break, and they are lost with no defense against it because theyve never learned one or trained one. theres no standing knee breaks in MMA so no need to learn a defense for one.
except for the wrastling moves.

the reason they arent in MMA fights is because it would end careers. theres no tap out before it happens. it either happens, and the guy gets carted out of the ring, or it it gets blocked or missed.

 

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I think that's a gross generalization on par with the "my guy can't be defeated evar!"

 

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a real fighter wouldnt expose his chin like this dude did - thats why this can only happen in an outclassed fight situation

http://www.break.com/usercontent/2007/5/25/felony-fights-knockout-video-300746

 

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eodoll posted:
thats if you can hit a moving target who can defend himself in the neck.



It's not hard. You can make people move, even if they are trained. Sometimes some training makes people easier to hit because their reactions are more predictable and if you can make someone react you can anticipate where they will be.



See how the attacker recognized the opponent's reaction the first push? Training makes noticing that sort of thing instinct. No thought needed. Like a pro baseball player vs a 102 mph fastball. He's hitting the ball before he ever thinks "swing."

 

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is that the diego giy vs bj penn fight? diego was out of his league.

it will always come down to skill first and foremost.

i hated watching that fight, it was like putting a mouse in with a snake.

 

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Yea, Penn wasn't a very nice opponent back then. This kid cracked fast. Even in that clip, rule one of defending yourself, don't back straight up.

 

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This thread is a tragic display.

 

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i took wrestling in high school and i still remember to this day how excited my coach became when i made my opponent back up during a match...

usually when a guy is backing up away from you its a sign that youre completely in control of the situation

duego sanchez looked scared from the start

 

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