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lol LeBron is such a baby. And he thinks he could've torn it up in the NFL?
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What, when he bumped into Grant Hill and couldn't get up? Then ten seconds later is back in the game looking perfectly fine?
Yeah...
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grant hill still plays?!?! 
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIkBjuVGbb4
This is the Lebron we're talking about. The so-called "best player in the world" flopping like a bitch.
and yeah Grant Hill still plays
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIkBjuVGbb4
This is the Lebron we're talking about. The so-called "best player in the world" flopping like a bitch.
and yeah Grant Hill still plays
LeBron needs to go cry again
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At least he didn't take a week off like Derrick Rose with his little wee wee "injury".
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nope watching frozen planet.
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Everyone in the NBA flops.
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Not true, not everybody. Derrick Rose never flops.
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No, Rose doesn't flop. He just whines like a little bitch about not getting enough Superstar calls.
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Well, he's right. He's only like 17th I think in fouls drawn per game, and he attacks the rim like a madman every night. Lebron gets breathed on and he gets to the line.
There's no collection of floppier superstars than the Miami Heat have. On most teams, its the roleplayers and bench scrubs who flop. On the Miami Heat, Lebron, Wade and Bosh are all notorious floppers. Wade constantly kicks his feet out and falls down after every jumper. I don't think he knows that you're supposed to land on your feet after a J.
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Well, he's right. He's only like 17th I think in fouls drawn per game, and he attacks the rim like a madman every night. Lebron gets breathed on and he gets to the line.
There's a difference, though. LeBron is the leagues love child with Wade. They both get insane no-contact calls. Im SHOCKED Hill didn't get a T for running into Baby Bron last night.
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You are such a homer!! Everyone else in the world saw Rose's rant as him being a big baby.
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Everyone else? You're the only one I've seen call him a baby.
quit trying to troll me man, seriously  Everybody knows Rose is a humble, softspoken kid. If he's bitching at the refs then its justified, because he HATES having to say anything
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Everyone else? You're the only one I've seen call him a baby.
quit trying to troll me man, seriously Everybody knows Rose is a humble, softspoken kid. If he's bitching at the refs then its justified, because he HATES having to say anything
Lebron (8.4) has 2 free throw attempts per game advantage over Rose (6.3) right now. That is about 1 extra foul per game. Meanwhile, Lebron is averaging 27 points per game to Rose's 22. Hardly enough of a disparity to go on a rant about how he's the only Superstar that isn't getting the fouls. Justified in the mind of a fan. But not to the NBA who fined him $25,000.
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Everyone else? You're the only one I've seen call him a baby.
quit trying to troll me man, seriously Everybody knows Rose is a humble, softspoken kid. If he's bitching at the refs then its justified, because he HATES having to say anything
Because Rose is way too stoned to be mad at anyone
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Derrick Rose is currently 15th in the league at FTA/G, behind Corey Maggette and Rodney Stuckey. Yeah I definitely think the refs swallow their whistles too often when he drives in for a layup and contested by like 4 defenders. He's so quick and acrobatic that they never see the contact. But that doesn't make it right.
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Derrick Rose is currently 15th in the league at FTA/G, behind Corey Maggette and Rodney Stuckey. Yeah I definitely think the refs swallow their whistles too often when he drives in for a layup and contested by like 4 defenders. He's so quick and acrobatic that they never see the contact. But that doesn't make it right.
NBA.COM has him at #11 at this moment. But regardless, maybe if he plays more games (only played 34 out of 48) and stops malingering on the bench with boo boos, it will even out.
(edited his position, he's #11, not #13 on free throw attempts per game)
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The games a player doesn't play in, don't count towards stats. The fact that Kevin Durant (a jump shooter) and scrubs like Maggette and Stuckey get more calls than him is ridiculous.
The only reason he's injured now is because the refs in that Knicks game weren't giving him any calls, so he had to go profanity crazy in the second half and attack the rim through more contact than usual to force the refs to blow their damn whistles.
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The games a player doesn't play in, don't count towards stats. The fact that Kevin Durant (a jump shooter) and scrubs like Maggette and Stuckey get more calls than him is ridiculous.
Oh come on. You know for a fact that per game stats tend to even out to reality with more games played. Things can and do run in streaks. Rose is exactly in the same spot for getting the fouls as Dwyane Wade, who has a similar play style, except that Wade didn't hold a press conference where he humbly declared himself a superstar as he complained about not getting the calls.
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Rose is way more acrobatic and elusive than Wade these days.
I don't watch Wade with as much frequency as I watch Rose, I don't know whether Wade SHOULD be getting to the line more or if he's getting there enough considering how much he's attacking the rim.
I watch Derrick Rose a lot and thats who I'm commenting on, I definitely agree that he get hosed on a lot of calls. A lot of it may be his own fault though for not selling the contact, but its a catch 22. Either he "flops" and gets called a floppy bitch, or he complains about not getting fouls and gets called a whiny bitch.
or, he keeps his mouth shut and lets himself and his team get hosed
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Rose avoids contact with his acrobatics which leaves him with less calls, it's more his play style then swallowing a whistle. But he's your team so obviously you are going to say that. Durant gets the call because contact to the forearm is auto foul, and I mean look at his wingspan.
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There's just no way you can ever convince me that a jump shooter gets more contact than a guy who's barreling towards the rim every other play, usually through 4 defenders going up to contest him.
Rose is really fast and acrobatic, I get that. refs are human and can't see it all. But that doesn't change the fact that Rose is a arguably top 5 player in the NBA with one of the most aggressive attacking play styles in the league and guys like Corey Maggette and Rodney Stuckey get more benefit of doubt from the refs than he does.
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There's just no way you can ever convince me that a jump shooter gets more contact than a guy who's barreling towards the rim every other play, usually through 4 defenders going up to contest him.
Rose is really fast and acrobatic, I get that. refs are human and can't see it all. But that doesn't change the fact that Rose is a arguably top 5 player in the NBA with one of the most aggressive attacking play styles in the league and guys like Corey Maggette and Rodney Stuckey get more benefit of doubt from the refs than he does.
Play style, and Durant does more then jump shoot, do you even watch him? lol
And that aggressive play style makes him a liability as he gets older, he's already getting hurt a ton.
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Yes I do. The majority of his shot attempts come from 3 or from the 16-23 foot area. The majority of Derrick Rose's shot attempts come at rim or in the paint.
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This is a day in the life of Derrick Rose.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dQdeZQ7_X4
And this happens multiple times per game
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This is a day in the life of Derrick Rose.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dQdeZQ7_X4
And this happens multiple times per game
It happens to every player every night. Even in the NBA finals.
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When was this? The Heat got to the line more often than Dallas did in that series.
and the difference here is, Lebron is 2nd in the league in FTA/G and Derrick is 15th.
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Want no calls, look at Dwight Howard, he gets hacked EVERY time he gets near the rim and maybe half are called.
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When was this? The Heat got to the line more often than Dallas did in that series.
and the difference here is, Lebron is 2nd in the league in FTA/G and Derrick is 15th.
A no call is a no call. It happens to every player, every night.
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Want no calls, look at Dwight Howard, he gets hacked EVERY time he gets near the rim and maybe half are called.
Yet he leads the league in going to the foul line. But you are right. I see the Magic play almost as often as the Heat, and yeah, he gets hacked constantly and tons of no-calls.
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I don't know how Lebron and Dwight, the #1 and #2 FTA/G players, compare to Derrick Rose here.
Derrick is shorter, weaker, weighs less, plays more under the rim...and is probably just as aggressive in attacking the rim as those two guys are. And he has to barrel through 4 defenders and finish at the rim all the time. #1/#2 vs #15.
I'm just saying he could get a few more calls per game, that's all. Go from #15 to top 5, I think that would be fair.
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You think Rose plays near/under the basket more than a freaking center, especially Howard?
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Yes, Rose plays under the basket more than Dwight/Lebron. By that I mean, his shot attempts at the rim are coming from under the rim (layups), while Lebron and Dwight are more likely to just power dunk every thing.
Rose is a PG, you have to remember. He's not a 250 pound SF freak of nature like Lebron, or a huge C like Dwight is. His game is much more finesse, speed, touch, difficult layups are his thing. He doesn't dunk that much.
under the rim/above the rim are just terms that describe the play style of an individual. Like Russell Westbrook is a guy that plays above the rim, he's dunking everything. Derrick Rose and Rondo, they play under the rim.
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It's a good thing fouls aren't determined based on the size of the player, then.
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I don't know how Lebron and Dwight, the #1 and #2 FTA/G players, compare to Derrick Rose here.
Derrick is shorter, weaker, weighs less, plays more under the rim...and is probably just as aggressive in attacking the rim as those two guys are. [...]
I'm just saying he could get a few more calls per game, that's all. Go from #15 to top 5, I think that would be fair.
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man if that video of rose above is what should be a foul no wonder the game sucks. 
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A little contact does a lot to change the trajectory of a shot. You would just have people committing reach-in fouls, rakes and hand checking all game long?
That would truly suck, it's not basketball then it's just a mugging
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