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Should be illegal for potential employers to ask for your password. It should also be illegal for them to even look at it before giving you a job. Free speech.

What kind of place is America becoming?

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Yup, agreed totally.

I find the argument " but durr if FB employees can see it then it's already public hurr durr im dumb"

By that logic, anything with a login and PW should be allowed to be given to employers. google employees can see your mail, MS employees can see your mail. Anyone that owns a company that you sign up to can see all your info so why don't just put it all out there in the open ?

and FB isn't just about what you put on your wall, there are private aspects of it such as PM's, so I guess employers should be allowed to see what you talk about in private with everyone?

some of you really don't care about personal freedom.

 

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they should be able to look at anything you make public. anything private should be off bounds.

just like they shouldn't be able to force you to show them all your mail and correspondence but if you send a public letter to the president they should be able to look at that.

 

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Why the hell is this even allowed. Its unbelievable. It infringes on our free speech rights

Take this to the Supreme court. Sue the employers who do this.

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How does it infringe your free speech rights? That's stupid. You can say whatever you want, they just won't hire you. You don't have a right to a job.

Don't be dumb.

 

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What you say on your private webpage that istn related to how you perform your job should not be allowed

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If you work for a law firm and your Facebook page shows you engaging in illegal activities it would most certainly impact on your job, this wouldn't be a problem except it seems the majority of people on Facebook are idiots.

 

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Yukishiro1 posted:
How does it infringe your free speech rights? That's stupid. You can say whatever you want, they just won't hire you. You don't have a right to a job.

Don't be dumb.


dude.. by giving them your LOGIN INFO, what stops them for clicking on the "messages" tab and check your personal message? To think for one second that they actually wouldn't check is being naive.

 

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It should not be illegal to ask for it.

I know if I asked one of my guys for this information and they actually gave it to me, I'd reconsider them working for me. If they can't be trusted to protect their own privacy, how can I trust them to protect my company secrets?

 

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Also you pick and choose who can't or can't see things so the whole idea of " it's public" is pretty stupid to use as an argument. it's only public if you allow it to be.

 

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Surprising Yuk is for this.

Now the only reason is to see if you fit within the culture of the place you work. It has nothing to do with how well you will do your job. It should not be allowed.

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gatzby posted:
It should not be illegal to ask for it.

I know if I asked one of my guys for this information and they actually gave it to me, I'd reconsider them working for me. If they can't be trusted to protect their own privacy, how can I trust them to protect my company secrets?


So talking to people in private on your own personal account is not protecting your privacy? considering the only person that can get on there is yourself? lol wow some of you are fucked up

 

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Yukishiro1 posted:
How does it infringe your free speech rights? That's stupid. You can say whatever you want, they just won't hire you. You don't have a right to a job.

Don't be dumb.


dude.. by giving them your LOGIN INFO, what stops them for clicking on the "messages" tab and check your personal message? To think for one second that they actually wouldn't check is being naive.


Still not a free speech issue. Your right to freedom of speech is against the government, not against private individuals or companies. If your company wants to fire you because you support gay rights it can do that under the 1st amendment. There are probably other laws that prevent it but that's the point.

I support making it illegal. But it's not about the 1st amendment and a right to freedom of speech. It's about us deciding as a society that some things are none of a companies business. The same way we say they can't ask you if you're married and that sort of thing.

 

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I wouldn't hire anybody if they were dumb enough to give me any of their personal passwords. That would be an excellent tool.

 

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No it's not about about free speech at all. It' about invasion of privacy. It's my own personal account, not the company's. They have no claims to my account and they can't ask me for that. If they did, it's in my rights to refuse. It's not just about you, but it's about everyone who talks to you. a lot of people tell me personal things about their lives in PM's, do I want some dip shit HR manager snooping around in there to find things to gossip about? fuck no. fuck him.

Good thing this will never happen in Canada. If it does happen it will be a very small amount of companies ( less than 1%) just like drug test.

Only about 2 % of companies in Canada require a drug test, so the odds that they'll start being fascist cunts about FB is slim to none.

 

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The places I have heard of ask you to log into to your Facebook account and show an HR person your wall.

 

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Bonzoboy1 posted:
The places I have heard of ask you to log into to your Facebook account and show an HR person your wall.


That's stupid, what if you have a different view on politics, or sexual orientation, or you're just very opinionated, BUT you only have a small amount of people that can see your wall ( IE it's not open to the public) there are too many variables for this rule to make any sense.

 

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tenkly posted:
No it's not about about free speech at all. It' about invasion of privacy.


Right, and I agree they shouldn't be able to do it. Just like they can't ask if you're married or have kids.

 

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I would think this would be against the law? you being knowledgeable about it, how is this passing?

 

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Yukishiro1 posted:
How does it infringe your free speech rights? That's stupid. You can say whatever you want, they just won't hire you. You don't have a right to a job.

Don't be dumb.




they cant not hire you based on political ideas or religious afiliations
they sholdnt be allowed to judge people based on their facebook posts.
if you want to be a racist zealot christian, then by all means, feel free.
but you cant be denied a job because of it. well, unless your going around the office making threats based on your ideology.

same goes for if you want to be a total man slut or crack whore in your off time.
so long as you show up and produce what they ask of you, then your personal life should be off limits

 

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totally relevant and cool IMO. I imagine my job having a "message board" clause in our employee handbook fifteen years ago. If you have a public persona your employer has a right to understand it IMO.

 

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tenkly posted:
I would think this would be against the law? you being knowledgeable about it, how is this passing?


What's illegal about it?

You can't discriminate against people based on their race or their marital status because we have laws that say you can't.

We don't have any laws that say you can't refuse to hire someone because they're a douche on facebook or that it's an invasion of privacy to ask to look at their FB wall.

There probably should be laws about asking to see your private correspondence of all types, but afaik there arn't.

 

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a lot of jobs will run a credit check on you. definitely a background check and drug test. in the big scheme, this isn't much different.

all of you morons want to put everything about yourselves on facebook ad advertise t the world that you like some retarded product. you can't expect something to be 100% ubiquitous when you want it but stay hidden when you don't.

 

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i dont care if they background check.. they just shouldnt require private data like passwords.

publically available data and stuff required to prove you get paid what you say youre paid, etc.. is fine.

i think you have to sign a waiver for the background check.

 

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you do. would it be different if you had to sign a waiver for them to see your facebook account?

 

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private data should remain private.

they can get sued for discrimination if they open certain doors..

for instance, they might find out youre in an inter-racial relationship or that youre homosexual (or any other protected class); then if they decide not to offer tou a job theyll have to prove its not because of those illegal reasons.

seems like playing with fire.

 

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When I worked at the casino..I was in high security. Not only did they run a background check on me..they ran one on my husband..and i had to provide them with all my family members names and addresses.
I thought that was a little much. But they actually follow up on all of it.

You couldn't work that particular job if you had family members that had a criminal record.

 

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I refuse to hire someone that's a total spaz or a douche. reading someone's facebook wall would probably make determining that pretty easy.

 

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Seething199 posted:
I refuse to hire someone that's a total spaz or a douche. reading someone's facebook wall would probably make determining that pretty easy.


You don't need someone's login info to see what they write on their wall.

They want the user/pw to check it themselves

 

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I use a fake name, and I don't have anyone employment related (or reference related) on my friends list. And I have a false-front page with my real name and about 4 friends, that we all use for inane harmless posts.

I'd just give them the 2nd one.

 

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