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http://www.nola.com/business/index.ssf/2012/03/employers_asking_job_applicant.html
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What if you don't have a facebook account? Do you have to make one? Can they actually get away with making you give away your passwords? That doesn't sound legal.
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They can ask but you don't have to tell them a damn thing.
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Some have even asked for your email accounts.
The argument is that you don't have to apply to those companies, but when everyone is doing it...
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But companies are always in the right.
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Questions have been raised about the legality of the practice, which is also the focus of proposed legislation in Illinois and Maryland that would forbid public agencies from asking for access to social networks.
Since the rise of social networking, it has become common for managers to review publically available Facebook profiles, Twitter accounts and other sites to learn more about job candidates. But many users, especially on Facebook, have their profiles set to private, making them available only to selected people or certain networks.
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I would just tell them I don't have one.
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Employer's perceived need to peer into the personal lives of their employees is depressing.
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I don't know why it surprises anyone that companies will do whatever they can get away with.
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Such an invasion of privacy should be illegal for jobs paying less than $200k.
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seems completely absurd. that said, i google stalk everyone that I'm interested in interviewing. if they're a public dipshit on social networks, there's a strong chance that i pass on them. If they're extra funny on social networks, it's bonus points for them.
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paulg_68 posted:
Such an invasion of privacy should be illegal for jobs paying less than $200k.
Nice to know there's a dollar figure on your personal freedom.
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Any employer that thinks your Facebook account is relevant for a job interview is an employer that isn't worth working for.
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seems completely absurd. that said, i google stalk everyone that I'm interested in interviewing. if they're a public dipshit on social networks, there's a strong chance that i pass on them. If they're extra funny on social networks, it's bonus points for them.
What if they aren't into social networking?
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Nice to know there's a dollar figure on your personal freedom.
Just curious, whose freedom do you think I'm proposing we take away?
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Any employer that thinks your Facebook account is relevant for a job interview is an employer that isn't worth working for.
True for most jobs. Not all though.
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I would just tell them I don't have one.
As would I. But I seriously doubt you or I would last very long at any place that would ask for this.
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I would make a fake profile that listed my activities as "Church Choir," "Succeeding in Business" and "Donating Heavily to Mitt Romney."
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I would make a fake profile that listed my activities as "Church Choir," "Succeeding in Business" and "Donating Heavily to Mitt Romney."
 Perhaps a few fake ones depending on the type of job you are looking at.
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Just create a fake profile that only you have access to, with a pic of lemon party, tub girl and blue waffle on it. give them the ID and password and tell them to go fock themselves as you walk out.
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Here's a helpful hint.
Don't put "Outposter" on your resume.
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Here's a helpful hint.
Don't put "Outposter" on your resume.
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I perform a cursory Google search on anyone I may be interested in interviewing as well.
Last year, I was hiring for a Jr. Technical Writer position. When I performed this search, a few candidates had Websites with writing samples (which is mostly what I expect to find, if anything).
However, one enterprising young candidate forgot to clean her My Space account where she had left up a bit of "creative writing" titled (and I'm paraphrasing from memory) something like "25 Reasons Equestrians Give the Best Head". My Senior writer and I had a great time reading that I must confess (and it was quite funny in some places).
Naturally, he begged me to hire her since, he claimed, "Even I have not heard of #5, #12, and #20"!!!!
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the article posted:
Chief Deputy Rusty Thomas defended the practice, saying applicants have a right to refuse. But no one has ever done so. Thomas said that "speaks well of the people we have apply."
No it doesn't you focking moron
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Ashmaele posted:
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I would just tell them I don't have one.
As would I. But I seriously doubt you or I would last very long at any place that would ask for this.
Based on the article, this wouldn't necessarily help since they may be able (depending on how common your name is) to find your profile anyhow, and just not be able to look at it.
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Weird how so-called "right to work" laws never seem to cover shit like this.
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Yukishiro1 posted:
I don't know why it surprises anyone that companies will do whatever they can get away with.
This.
The only reason companies are doing this is because no court has come out and said they cannot yet. The only reason companies pay a livable wage is because minimum wage laws exist - without such a law, companies would pay $0.02/hour. The only reason companies observe a 40 hour work week is because there are laws about it... and on and on and on.
The only reason companies do ANYTHING except maximize profits at the expense of workers and the environment is because they are forced to by law. If there were no laws about such things companies would all quickly race each other to the lowest common denominator with respect to responsible action and that would become the new standard, and if you tell me you don't believe it, you're either absurdly naive or lying your ass off.
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If it was a good job, and I needed it, I would gladly give me FB acct/password
Anyone who thinks facebook is "private" already is kidding themselves. They're basically doing this because then they can actually be upfront about stuff they could've found out anyhow through other means
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Cawlin posted:
Yukishiro1 posted:
I don't know why it surprises anyone that companies will do whatever they can get away with.
This.
The only reason companies are doing this is because no court has come out and said they cannot yet. The only reason companies pay a livable wage is because minimum wage laws exist - without such a law, companies would pay $0.02/hour. The only reason companies observe a 40 hour work week is because there are laws about it... and on and on and on.
The only reason companies do ANYTHING except maximize profits at the expense of workers and the environment is because they are forced to by law. If there were no laws about such things companies would all quickly race each other to the lowest common denominator with respect to responsible action and that would become the new standard, and if you tell me you don't believe it, you're either absurdly naive or lying your ass off.
You are going to make many libertardian enemies on this bored
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the_great_intex posted:
Anyone who thinks facebook is "private" already is kidding themselves.
It's private from anyone you don't wish to see the info
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Ashmaele posted:
Cawlin posted:
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I don't know why it surprises anyone that companies will do whatever they can get away with.
This.
The only reason companies are doing this is because no court has come out and said they cannot yet. The only reason companies pay a livable wage is because minimum wage laws exist - without such a law, companies would pay $0.02/hour. The only reason companies observe a 40 hour work week is because there are laws about it... and on and on and on.
The only reason companies do ANYTHING except maximize profits at the expense of workers and the environment is because they are forced to by law. If there were no laws about such things companies would all quickly race each other to the lowest common denominator with respect to responsible action and that would become the new standard, and if you tell me you don't believe it, you're either absurdly naive or lying your ass off.
You are going to make many libertardian enemies on this bored
Anyone who is familiar with my posting is not surprised by my response to this situation.
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Ashmaele posted:
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Anyone who thinks facebook is "private" already is kidding themselves.
It's private from anyone you don't wish to see the info
aside from facebook itself, facebook employees, facebook advertisers, an army of hackers, and if you're a moron like most facebook users, everyone else because you don't understand how to change the privacy settings.
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...and you give consent (informed consent even if you bother to read the TOS) to that 'invasion of privacy' before you sign up for a Facebook account.
And not even Facebook employees will ask you for your password.
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Posting crap about previous employers on facebook, or really about any part of life in particular that you couldn't knowingly say to someone, is just a bad idea anyhow
I would probably never hire a cynic doucher who complains about his work all the time either. Find a forum to be anonymous and post that crap on it if you need to release, associating with that sort of inner-thought behavior publicly is just asking for trouble.
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Posting crap about previous employers on facebook, or really about any part of life in particular that you couldn't knowingly say to someone, is just a bad idea anyhow
I would probably never hire a cynic doucher who complains about his work all the time either. Find a forum to be anonymous and post that crap on it if you need to release, associating with that sort of inner-thought behavior publicly is just asking for trouble.
Hey, I agree with all of this, everything you said here makes perfect sense. That still doesn't justify an employer (or POTENTIAL employer) nosing around in your personal accounts.
And the notion that "it's out there anyway so what's the big deal?" doesn't fly, either. That's like saying it should be perfectly okay for someone to stand at your window and watch you dress for work in the morning because you wore a bathing suit to the beach last summer.
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The only reason companies pay a livable wage is because minimum wage laws exist - without such a law, companies would pay $0.02/hour. The only reason companies observe a 40 hour work week is because there are laws about it... and on and on and on.
The only reason companies do ANYTHING except maximize profits at the expense of workers and the environment is because they are forced to by law.
If this were true then no company would pay more than minimum wage for any job.
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paulg_68 posted:
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The only reason companies pay a livable wage is because minimum wage laws exist - without such a law, companies would pay $0.02/hour. The only reason companies observe a 40 hour work week is because there are laws about it... and on and on and on.
The only reason companies do ANYTHING except maximize profits at the expense of workers and the environment is because they are forced to by law.
If this were true then no company would pay more than minimum wage for any job.
He said that without the law companies would pay less than minimum wage. He didn't say all companies would for all jobs.
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What does it matter who I am on my own time? If I'm a good employee and do my job well, that should be enough.
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Ashmaele posted:
paulg_68 posted:
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The only reason companies pay a livable wage is because minimum wage laws exist - without such a law, companies would pay $0.02/hour. The only reason companies observe a 40 hour work week is because there are laws about it... and on and on and on.
The only reason companies do ANYTHING except maximize profits at the expense of workers and the environment is because they are forced to by law.
If this were true then no company would pay more than minimum wage for any job.
He said that without the law companies would pay less than minimum wage. He didn't say all companies would for all jobs.
Read it again.
If he's right then if you take away the law then there is no reason companies would pay a liveable wage.
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What does it matter who I am on my own time? If I'm a good employee and do my job well, that should be enough.
Depends on the job. If you were a high profile executive then your company could most definitely be hurt by shenanigans in your personal life.
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[quote=Cawlin]The only reason companies pay a livable wage is because minimum wage laws exist - without such a law, companies would pay $0.02/hour. The only reason companies observe a 40 hour work week is because there are laws about it... and on and on and on.
The only reason companies do ANYTHING except maximize profits at the expense of workers and the environment is because they are forced to by law.
If this were true then no company would pay more than minimum wage for any job.
He said that without the law companies would pay less than minimum wage. He didn't say all companies would for all jobs.
Read it again.
If he's right then if you take away the law then there is no reason companies would pay a liveable wage.
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Well I was referring to jobs that are generally considered in the "minimum wage" territory.
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What does it matter who I am on my own time? If I'm a good employee and do my job well, that should be enough.
Depends on the job. If you were a high profile executive then your company could most definitely be hurt by shenanigans in your personal life.
That I understand. Still, those companies have no right for personal invasion. If someone is dumb enough to leave their profile open for viewing or makes ridiculous status updates on Facebook, that's their own damn fault.
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Companies will pay as little money as they can get away with in order to get as much value as they can get away with. That's jus good business.
Expecting companies to be decent to employees is stupid. Companies don't succeed by being nice. They succeed by mercilessly exploiting their workers precisely as far as they can get away with just like they would any other resource they have.
As long as companies have more bargaining power than workers (which is always true in a non-unionized system) they will screw over workers any way they can.
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Pretty much any job that you can name "in the minimum wage territory" has at least some companies paying over minimum wage.
In fact I'd bet 100% of the jobs you can name.
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paulg_68 posted:
kedz20xx posted:
What does it matter who I am on my own time? If I'm a good employee and do my job well, that should be enough.
Depends on the job. If you were a high profile executive then your company could most definitely be hurt by shenanigans in your personal life.
In such a job, there would not be some lackey asking you for a FB password in an interview. There would be legal contractual agreements and official channels/auditors doing the verification/checking. Further, the company would already know about any FB shenanigans in your background for such a job before the "interview" process.
Companies are doing this now because they can - to bully people who, in a sihtty job market need ANY job...
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That I understand. Still, those companies have no right for personal invasion.
Of course they don't have the right to force you.
Just say no and walk away.
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I'm not sure it's all that blameworthy. When you have 10 applicants for every job you can afford to be picky. Wouldn't you rather have a worker who's not a total moron on facebook? If you hold all the cards, why not try to hire the best of the 10?
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Companies don't succeed by being nice. They succeed by mercilessly exploiting their workers precisely as far as they can get away with just like they would any other resource they have.
You've had some pretty bad luck with companies if that's your impression.
I've worked for 2 like that and neither was as successful for the companies I've worked for that treated employees well.
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I'm not sure it's all that blameworthy. When you have 10 applicants for every job you can afford to be picky. Wouldn't you rather have a worker who's not a total moron on facebook? If you hold all the cards, why not try to hire the best of the 10?
Have you ever interviewed people?
You're not allowed to ask about all kinds of things during the selection process.
If you're not aware, if someone gets your FB PW, they can request an entire history of everything that's been done on your FB account whether or not it appears on your "wall" or whatever. They can even get PM conversations between you and others that you've deleted...
As for trying to hire the best - if the company needs your FB password to see what you've written on your FB profile, then you're not a moron on FB and know how to set your privacy settings.
If they have a "right" to know what's on your FB page, they also have a right to your personal e-mail accounts and your cell phone and home phone information as well as any other correspondence you've had with anyone ever...
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Sometimes the best way to exploit a resource is to husband it.
There is a reason the higher up the chain you get - in general - the better workers get treated. Skilled workers are a valuable asset, like fancy machinery. You don't see companies kicking their fancy machinery around either or failing to do routine repairs.
Unskilled labor is like raw ingredients. No one gives a crap about taking care of a pile of sand. There's plenty more where it came from.
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They don't have a right to any of it. They do have a right to ask if they want.
I'm in favor of taking away that right for positions below some reasonable dollar value.
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I'm not sure it's all that blameworthy. When you have 10 applicants for every job you can afford to be picky. Wouldn't you rather have a worker who's not a total moron on facebook? If you hold all the cards, why not try to hire the best of the 10?
Have you ever interviewed people?
You're not allowed to ask about all kinds of things during the selection process.
If you're not aware, if someone gets your FB PW, they can request an entire history of everything that's been done on your FB account whether or not it appears on your "wall" or whatever. They can even get PM conversations between you and others that you've deleted...
As for trying to hire the best - if the company needs your FB password to see what you've written on your FB profile, then you're not a moron on FB and know how to set your privacy settings.
If they have a "right" to know what's on your FB page, they also have a right to your personal e-mail accounts and your cell phone and home phone information as well as any other correspondence you've had with anyone ever...
Woooooooooooooooooosh
The point was as long as we allow companies to do stuff like this I don't think it's all that blameworthy for them to do it. Snooping around someone's facebook page DOES allow you to make better, more educated hirings decisions that will result in hiring better people. That's just a fact. If we as a society think it's out of bounds we should make it out of bounds. Relying on the benevolence of corporations is stupid and only someone like Paul thinks it's realistic.
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I barely use my facebook site, but I still wouldn't give out my info...
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They don't have a right to any of it. They do have a right to ask if they want.
I'm in favor of taking away that right for positions below some reasonable dollar value.
I would agree sort of - but not on "dollar value" based positions - rather on positions based on "profile" within the company... I think a perfectly reasonable stance is "if we see you post anything to the public (as in not just your FB friends) that we don't like, you'll have to answer for it"
Obviously, as for issues with the legality of things, industrial espionage, insider trading, etc. the "privacy" of FB friends is not and should not be insulation from legal issues...
Additionally, now that I think about it, I'm not sure I believe they should have a right to ask because just asking implies that a selection might be based on whether or not you comply - which is the basis for a large number of "personal" questions being verboten during interviewing.
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Companies don't succeed by being nice. They succeed by mercilessly exploiting their workers precisely as far as they can get away with just like they would any other resource they have.
You've had some pretty bad luck with companies if that's your impression.
I've worked for 2 like that and neither was as successful for the companies I've worked for that treated employees well.
FWIW, I made more money working for the most "ruthless" employer I've ever had than anywhere else.
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Yukishiro1 posted:
Cawlin posted:
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I'm not sure it's all that blameworthy. When you have 10 applicants for every job you can afford to be picky. Wouldn't you rather have a worker who's not a total moron on facebook? If you hold all the cards, why not try to hire the best of the 10?
Have you ever interviewed people?
You're not allowed to ask about all kinds of things during the selection process.
If you're not aware, if someone gets your FB PW, they can request an entire history of everything that's been done on your FB account whether or not it appears on your "wall" or whatever. They can even get PM conversations between you and others that you've deleted...
As for trying to hire the best - if the company needs your FB password to see what you've written on your FB profile, then you're not a moron on FB and know how to set your privacy settings.
If they have a "right" to know what's on your FB page, they also have a right to your personal e-mail accounts and your cell phone and home phone information as well as any other correspondence you've had with anyone ever...
Woooooooooooooooooosh
The point was as long as we allow companies to do stuff like this I don't think it's all that blameworthy for them to do it. Snooping around someone's facebook page DOES allow you to make better, more educated hirings decisions that will result in hiring better people. That's just a fact. If we as a society think it's out of bounds we should make it out of bounds. Relying on the benevolence of corporations is stupid and only someone like Paul thinks it's realistic.
Alright, yeah, I didn't get your point - basically the "a dog is a dog" argument... and yes I agree - and posted the same above.
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FWIW, I made more money working for the most "ruthless" employer I've ever had than anywhere else.
Commission and/or bonuses?
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Snooping around someone's facebook page DOES allow you to make better, more educated hirings decisions that will result in hiring better people. That's just a fact.
I know plenty of people who act like idiots and post stupid shit on Facebook who are otherwise brilliant at their jobs. I don't know if studies have been done but I'm not sure this could be declared a "fact."
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If we as a society think it's out of bounds we should make it out of bounds. Relying on the benevolence of corporations is stupid and only someone like Paul thinks it's realistic.
This is the underlying problem. For at least a generation now we've been moving as a society away from individual worker rights and instead favoring the rights of businesses and corporations, even going so far as to declare them "people." I agree with you that stuff like this should not surprise us in the least. This is what we've been working toward and will continue to work toward as long as their is a loud political majority who equate "freedom" with "freedom for employers to exploit people in whatever manner they wish in order to maximize profit."
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FWIW, I made more money working for the most "ruthless" employer I've ever had than anywhere else.
Commission and/or bonuses?
Base salary + bonuses actually, not a sales position.
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and people still do it? umm.... no
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Snooping around someone's facebook page DOES allow you to make better, more educated hirings decisions that will result in hiring better people. That's just a fact.
I know plenty of people who act like idiots and post stupid shit on Facebook who are otherwise brilliant at their jobs. I don't know if studies have been done but I'm not sure this could be declared a "fact."
I don't have any data but I'm quite sure it's accurate to say that on average people who post stupid shit on facebook are less likely to be good workers than people who don't post stupid shit on facebook. Obviously there will be outliers.
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Facebook? I would politically, adeptly offer to 'friend' them so they can see whatever posts they'd like. Right after I added them to my LinkedIn network. And if they refused to do that, I'd refuse them, right there and then. Cold.
This is because of course I've limited any information under my name to PG-rated stuff forever, knowing that whatever gets posted to the Internet STAYS on the Internet. Forever. I have a grand total of maybe 50 friends on FB, and they are relations I try to remain neutral and civil toward... from all wings of the family.
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I don't think someone thinking about hiring you is going to really care whether or not they can "prove" you said something or not. Fatty.
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I would just tell them I don't have one.
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maybe its a test to see how dumb you are.
give away your pasword then it means you will most likely have your identity stolen at some point and ypur studf hacked.. which means youre a liability.
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I don't know why it surprises anyone that companies will do whatever they can get away with.
This.
The only reason companies are doing this is because no court has come out and said they cannot yet. The only reason companies pay a livable wage is because minimum wage laws exist - without such a law, companies would pay $0.02/hour. The only reason companies observe a 40 hour work week is because there are laws about it... and on and on and on.
The only reason companies do ANYTHING except maximize profits at the expense of workers and the environment is because they are forced to by law. If there were no laws about such things companies would all quickly race each other to the lowest common denominator with respect to responsible action and that would become the new standard, and if you tell me you don't believe it, you're either absurdly naive or lying your ass off.
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I believe it is a lawsuit waiting to happen.They are asking you to do something you can't do legally and refusing to hire based on your refusal. .It seems there would be some kind of action that could be taken there.
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I don't know why it surprises anyone that companies will do whatever they can get away with.
This.
The only reason companies are doing this is because no court has come out and said they cannot yet. The only reason companies pay a livable wage is because minimum wage laws exist - without such a law, companies would pay $0.02/hour. The only reason companies observe a 40 hour work week is because there are laws about it... and on and on and on.
The only reason companies do ANYTHING except maximize profits at the expense of workers and the environment is because they are forced to by law. If there were no laws about such things companies would all quickly race each other to the lowest common denominator with respect to responsible action and that would become the new standard, and if you tell me you don't believe it, you're either absurdly naive or lying your ass off.
This can't be true. I was told on the Outpost that the free market won't allow this and we don't need any silly laws or government involvement because that would just make things worse.
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Companies should not be allowed to ask you anything that doesn't specifically have to do with your ability to perform the job. Period. That's my stance.
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I would think that Facebook would come out against this practice since it has the potential of leading to a decline in site usage. So far they haven't said anything one way or the other.
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Applying for a job, give us your facebook name and password
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I would probably walk out of an interview if they were insistent on getting access to my Facebook. The things I do outside of work are my business, and no one has a right to see that information if I choose not to let them see it.
I also wouldn't "friend" an employee of the company I'm applying to just so they can look over my information. I've set my privacy settings to prevent people I don't know from seeing that information; why then would I turn around and allow an entire company to see it? How can I trust a company not to abuse that information?
To me, there is a very clear, definite line between work life and personal life. In my personal life, I am allowed to do and say ANYTHING that isn't illegal. I won't forgo that right to free speech just for a job.
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