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Maybe they are talking about the upcoming revolution?
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Wasn't that when like 5 people died?
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Yes, but they all died of gangrene.
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It's WWI that is generally considered the most gruesome, no?
The most gruesome American war was the civil war though, hands down.
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When the French have to bail you out, you know it's not much of a war...
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Meh, the French didn't really bail us out. They did help to end it.
What they really did was tie up England abroad....which did really allow us to win the war. Just not in the way most people imagine.
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The Thirty Years' War was way more gruesome.
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WWI had biological and chemical weapons right?
It's tough to top that.
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Chemical and biological weapons have been in use for centuries at least.
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Chemical and biological weapons have been in use for centuries at least.
At least to say the least...
They were in use prolly during the first war our species ever fought...
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The chemical weapons in WW1 were so bad that half the time it was more of a danger to the troops using them, the chemical agents were also crude and heavy so they tended to gather and linger in low areas.
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During a trench war...
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WWI also had charges through barbed wire while getting shot at by machine guns. It was a horrible mix of new powerful technology and outdated tactics.
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It's WWI that is generally considered the most gruesome, no?
The most gruesome American war was the civil war though, hands down.
I would say WWII was the most "gruesome", just given the sheer numbers of civilians that died. Edit: But, yea, WWI was pretty nasty too now that you mention the mustard gas.
Worst was stupid commanders thinking they could mass charge machine gun emplacements. (See Battle of the Somme  )
No argument on the Civil war being the most gruesome specifically for us. 
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One of the most effective weapons in the trenches of WW1
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WWI sucked ass.
Mud. Disease. Machine guns. Trenches (with mud, disease, fungus).
Mustard gas, often vs folks with no masks who hadn't heard of chemical weaponry prior to that.
Ooooh, then newly developed tanks mowing down humans.
Nasty-ass war.
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I read somewhere that casualties were actually higher in the American civil war than any other major war as a % of total combatants. Higher than WWI. That might be wrong though.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_by_death_toll
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I read somewhere that casualties were actually higher in the American civil war than any other major war as a % of total combatants. Higher than WWI. That might be wrong though.
Sounds about right actually.
Gettysburg saw 51,000 casualties in just that one battle. Given that they were all Americans it was pretty gruesome.
Still, WWI had its share. The Battle of the Somme had the worst single day casualties in the history of Europe:
"The British had suffered 19,240 dead, 35,493 wounded, 2,152 missing and 585 prisoners for a total loss of 57,470"
Keep in mind, that was 57,470 casualties in under 12 hours of combat. 
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I think it would be earlier than ww1...around the time of world wars people tried to avoid whole sale slaughter of innocents... earlier wars not so much.
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i think in the end more than 1 million people died at the Somme
i've read that more people died in the first 2 hours than the entire D-Day landings.
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More people died in a single battle in WWI than died in most wars, including the Civil war. We are talking millions dead. However WWII had 60 million casualties vs. 35 million in WWI. The problem is the undefined word, "gruesome". Some might take the death toll to mean "gruesome". Others the horrid conditions the war was fought in. For me the most "gruesome" is WWI. Nevertheless I would not argue anyone who chooses Civil war or WWII.
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Once Ezio (or whatever his name will be in AC3) gets done with the fighting, the body count will be higher than in any of those other wars! 
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Wasn't that when like 5 people died?
and a donkey..
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Scarne posted:
Once Ezio (or whatever his name will be in AC3) gets done with the fighting, the body count will be higher than in any of those other wars!
 True.
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Fist_de_Yuma posted:
More people died in a single battle in WWI than died in most wars, including the Civil war. We are talking millions dead.
Name a single battle with more than 1 million casualties?
Or are you trying to supplant Joe Biden?
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For me, I think WW1 was worse overall, not in terms of casualties, but in terms of "What the heck did they accomplish?" In WW2, yes, Hitler took over a lot of territories, but you could see moving battlefields and lines changing constantly, so you had a sense of how things were going (except if you were Hitler, and relied on phantom armies on paper to save you).
In WW1, in the Western (European) Front anyway, the lines were fairly static. It may have changed a little bit here and there, but usually any gains you made were ultimately undone either due to lack of reinforcements or heavy enemy counter-attack. Both sides essentially just ground each other down in the hopes that one side or the other would cave so they could do a traditional "start pushing the enemy back and scatter them about" thing. And when the war ended, the lines were still more or less the same, minus a few million men who ultimately died for nothing.
And it was stuff like this why people like British Prime Minister Chamberlain sought for a long time to avoid engaging in yet another war with Germany. You have to keep in mind that WW1 was still fresh on their minds, and they didn't want another few million men being ground to dust for a little bit of land here and there. So yeah, in hindsight guys like him seemed really stupid, but if you were alive at the time, and didn't have the foresight to see even worse atrocities in WW2, you probably wouldn't want to see another WW1 scenario either.
I sometimes wonder what would've happened if the British and French simply marched/attacked their way into Germany when Hitler was busy in Poland, instead of staying put in the Maginot Line. The war probably would've ended before it could start, since Hitler wouldn't of had enough reinforcements to fight on both sides of Germany at the time (notice all his early victories were because he was able to shift the entire German military towards one foe at a time, until he attacked the Russians before finishing off the British).
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Japanese slaughter of millions of Chinese during WW2, chemical weapons, biological weapons and human experimentation, mass civilian killings, torture, cannibalism, forced labour, comfort women, burning POW's alive, they pretty much had it covered.
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Japanese slaughter of millions of Chinese during WW2, chemical weapons, biological weapons and human experimentation, mass civilian killings, torture, cannibalism, forced labour, comfort women, burning POW's alive, they pretty much had it covered.
yeah but that was against the Chinese, doesn't really count.
It's like pouring gas on a ant hill and lighting it on fire...
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Battle of Panipat (3rd iteration) during the Afghan/Marathas(India) war saw around 200,000 people dead in a single day. That included about 70,000 combatants (from both sides) and more than 100,000 prisoners of war and civilians from the city of Delhi who were lined up and chopped to death with knives and axes after their forces lost the battle.
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The Mongols managed to do so much damage to Iraq in a few short years that it has never really recovered to this day. For sheer destruction of a flourishing civilization they might take the cake.
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What a morbidly great thread...
I was going to mention the Mongol hordes but I wonder how many were killed during Alexander's reign and expansion?
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Interesting that no one has mentioned Hiroshima, which killed between 100K and 150K with one weapon, many of them burned to death or dying of radiation sickness...which is about the worst way to go you can think of.
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Interesting that no one has mentioned Hiroshima, which killed between 100K and 150K with one weapon, many of them burned to death or dying of radiation sickness...which is about the worst way to go you can think of.
Or bombing Germany and Japanese cities with white phosphorus.
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Fist_de_Yuma posted:
More people died in a single battle in WWI than died in most wars, including the Civil war. We are talking millions dead.
Uh, no.
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paulg_68 posted:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_by_death_toll
Funny, China is over-represented in the top 20..
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how many were killed during Alexander's reign and expansion?
Not that many I don't think, at lesat comparatively. Alexander beat the Persians in two big pitched battles, and the vast majority of the Persian cities surrendered to him after that rather than resisting. I'm sure a fair amount of people died in the battles but they were just battles like any other battles of the ancient world. Alexander wasn't known as being particularly into slaughtering civilians the way the Mongols were.
Timur was also another right bastard who made his name killing civilians in the middle east and central asia and building towers our of their heads.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_by_death_toll
Funny, China is over-represented in the top 20..
Because China has a pesky habit of actually counting civilian deaths due to disease or deprivation.
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Right, like the tens of millions who starved to death during the "great leap forward." That gets prominent treatment in Chinese textbooks. Ohwait.
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dae_trist posted:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_by_death_toll
Funny, China is over-represented in the top 20..
Because China has a pesky habit of actually counting civilian deaths due to disease or deprivation.
It isn't the Chinese doing the counting, but um, yeah thats something to be proud of.
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