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Who recently asked for this advice?
This is an auxiliary computer.Parameters for me are as follows:
1. this computer will be used at my apartment for gaming (swtor presently)
2. to process works of art designed Photoshop CS5
that is it.
i guess i need a stable advanced mother board and not the best but good video card . audio is not that important to me. i can choose screens. but if there is somthing i need to know , let me know. preferably, i buy through newegg or frys. i also have a best buy close by.
thanks in advance. i would hope i could do this for $1000 to $1500. i just bought my son a $2300 latop and I am on a budget.
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For 1000-1500 you can build yourself one monster system. Do you want to build it yourself? Also do you already have monitors + keyboard/mouse + speakers?
If you're going to go big into CS5 and also do 3D modeling or whatever else, you're gonna want a pretty badass processor for the rendering. Perhaps have it loaded on an SSD as well for quick open/saving
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For under $1500...
Case - Antec 302: ~ $70
MoBo - ASUS Sabertooth 990FX AM3+: ~ $190
CPU - AMD FX-8150 Zambezi 3.6GHz : ~ $250
RAM - G.SKILL Ripjaws Z Series 16GB: ~ $125
HDD or SDD or your choice
Video card - I would say a HD Radeon 6950 (~$250), 6970 (~$350) or as high end as a 7950 (~$450) or 7970 (~$550)
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I used to put them together. However, I will pay Frys to do it for $100.00. Yes ill buy components and bring them to Frys.
I need a big monitor. I gave my last one to a foster child adapting to living on his own.
I dont do any 3d modeling at present. Does it require alot more to do so?
Thanks in advance to all
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I need a big monitor.
I highly recommend this guy
Hanns-G HZ281HPB 27.5''
3ms Full HD 1080P HDMI WideScreen LCD Monitor 400cd/m2 X-Contrast 15,000:1(800:1)Built-in Speakers
Not sure if that qualifies and a 'big monitor' but it's done me good going on about 2 years now.
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Modeeb posted:
I need a big monitor.
I highly recommend this guy
Hanns-G HZ281HPB 27.5''
3ms Full HD 1080P HDMI WideScreen LCD Monitor 400cd/m2 X-Contrast 15,000:1(800:1)Built-in Speakers
Not sure if that qualifies and a 'big monitor' but it's done me good going on about 2 years now.
I got this one, I'd never buy TN again
http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF05a/382087-382087-64283-72270-3884471-5163694.html?dnr=1
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bstulic posted:
reesescups posted:
Modeeb posted:
I need a big monitor.
I highly recommend this guy
Hanns-G HZ281HPB 27.5''
3ms Full HD 1080P HDMI WideScreen LCD Monitor 400cd/m2 X-Contrast 15,000:1(800:1)Built-in Speakers
Not sure if that qualifies and a 'big monitor' but it's done me good going on about 2 years now.
I got this one, I'd never buy TN again
http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF05a/382087-382087-64283-72270-3884471-5163694.html?dnr=1
Nice resolution!
You'd never buy TN again? What's TN? Are you recommending this monitor or not?
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You'd never buy TN again? What's TN? Are you recommending this monitor or not?
Fast C/P (because hibs zerg) from tomshardware
"Basically speaking:
TN = Twisted Nematic - These are 6-bit screens that cannot really reproduce 16.7 million colors. They can only reproduce 262,144 colors; 64 shades of Red, Green & Blue. Thats (2^6)^3 or 64^3. All the other colors are created through a process called dithering. These typically have fast response times (for gaming) at the expense of color accuracy. These are inexpensive monitors.
MVA = Multidomain Vertical Alignment
PVA = Patterned-ITO Vertical Alignment
MVA and PVA panel are the most common 8-bit LCD screen around. They are relatively slow compared to TN, but offers better color accuracy. Good viewing angles and contrast ratio. However not all MVA and PVA panels are 8-bit screens. S-MVA and S-PVA are typically the ones that are 8-bit panel from my research. S = Super.
8-bit LCDs can truly reproduce 16.7 million colors. That's because there will be 256 shades of each color (2^8 ); Red, Green & Blue. Therefore 256^3 = 16.7 million (actually, a little more).
S-IPS = Super In-Plane Switching. These are high end and really expensive LCD panels. All these panels are 8-bit panels and comes the closest to CRT image quality. From what I've read they also have very good response times as well. LCD monitors geared towards graphic artists who demands the most color accuracy are designed with these type of panels. That means the shades of color you see on the screen are the exact shades that will be printed out on a good color printer.
To give you a rough idea of the price of a 20.1" LCD monitor based on these different panels:
TN = $200-$300
MVA/PVA = $400 - $600
S-IPS = $1,000+ "
Post is a bit old, so bad prices
About IPS panels
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Thanks I think 27 inch is too big for my apt. Ill get smaller any ideas. I printed off Reeses and Bstulic's specs.
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Thanks I think 27 inch is too big for my apt. Ill get smaller any ideas. I printed off Reeses and Bstulic's specs.
I think theres a 24" version there too
here it goes:
http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF05a/382087-382087-64283-72270-3884471-4101131.html?dnr=1
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Thanks I think 27 inch is too big for my apt. Ill get smaller any ideas. I printed off Reeses and Bstulic's specs.
I got nothing - don't know too much about monitor technology. Mine seems to work just fine for me...
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Modeeb posted:
Thanks I think 27 inch is too big for my apt. Ill get smaller any ideas. I printed off Reeses and Bstulic's specs.
I got nothing - don't know too much about monitor technology. Mine seems to work just fine for me...
Like many things in life, people are content with what they have
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I7 >>> and AMD crap.
And I was an AMD fanboi....
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I7 >>> and AMD crap.
And I was an AMD fanboi....
yeah and I7 costs what again???
With the AM3+ socket you will be able to upgrade the proc for a long time. The 8120/8150 is the initial 8 core proc from AMD and performance wise it just needs the OS/SW to fully utilize it and when that kicks in i7 is going to be sitting there with it's junk in it's hand wondering where it's lunch money went...
Top of the line i7 = ~$600 bucks
Top of the line i5 = ~$300 bucks and it's a quad core running at a lower speed...
Intel fanboi's are a joke...
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Thanks I think 27 inch is too big for my apt. Ill get smaller any ideas. I printed off Reeses and Bstulic's specs.
I got nothing - don't know too much about monitor technology. Mine seems to work just fine for me...
Like many things in life, people are content with what they have
until they see something awesomely better
You posted a bunch of blah blah specs about something - my monitor has all the colors in the world.
I literally have no effing clue wtf you are talking about - but then again I honestly don't know much about monitors.
Shrug - spend your money, I don't care...
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I have owned AMD and I7. This is a point of controversy. I dont mind spending a little extra for the Pentium. Is it worth it? Im just not a MAC guy
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I have owned AMD and I7. This is a point of controversy. I dont mind spending a little extra for the Pentium. Is it worth it? Im just not a MAC guy
Currently yes - AMD has nothing on the performance of the i7.
But you will have to get an intel fan boi to give up the secrets of the actual CPU sweet spot and MoBo to go along with it.
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You posted a bunch of blah blah specs about something - my monitor has all the colors in the world.
I literally have no effing clue wtf you are talking about - but then again I honestly don't know much about monitors.
Shrug - spend your money, I don't care...
Just go to the shop and ask them to put IPS and TN matrix
monitors side by side and you'll see it...or you won't
If you have 11 minutes to watch this:
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Ok I need a little help on I7 motherboard and fan. Thanks in advance Outpost.
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I7 >>> and AMD crap.
And I was an AMD fanboi....
yeah and I7 costs what again???
With the AM3+ socket you will be able to upgrade the proc for a long time. The 8120/8150 is the initial 8 core proc from AMD and performance wise it just needs the OS/SW to fully utilize it and when that kicks in i7 is going to be sitting there with it's junk in it's hand wondering where it's lunch money went...
Top of the line i7 = ~$600 bucks
Top of the line i5 = ~$300 bucks and it's a quad core running at a lower speed...
Intel fanboi's are a joke...
Riiight...
AMD has NEVER had the performance of Intel chips. This year is the 1st year since 2008 that I have used an Intel chip..and I dont think I will go back.
Plus..why are you comparing the top of the line I7 to the top of the line AMD? Thats like comparing a top of the line Buick to a top of the line Porche.
The top of the line I5 rates comparable to the AMD fx8100.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-overclock,3106-5.html
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Why buy a monitor? I'd go with an HDTV. I currently use a 42" Samsung as my monitor.
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The top of the line I5 rates comparable to the AMD fx8100.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-overclock,3106-5.html
You=n00b
And there is no system that is taking advantage of the 8 cores in the FX8100...
Yet
performance/cost intel can't touch AMD. It's a simple statement of fact.
IMO you have more built in longevity with the AM3+ socket than you do with any current Intel platform.
By all means spend 600 bucks on a cpu - knock yourself out...
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I have an HD TV. It can be hiiked up to a computer, too. Is this the way to go? Holy mother of pearls. I dont want surround sound. I live in an apartment building and respect my neighbors sound borders.
So which I7 mother board and CPU should I get? Either Frys or Newegg, or Best buy, but I never see deals at best Buy.
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I have an HD TV. It can be hiiked up to a computer, too. Is this the way to go? Holy mother of pearls. I dont want surround sound. I live in an apartment building and respect my neighbors sound borders.
So which I7 mother board and CPU should I get? Either Frys or Newegg, or Best buy, but I never see deals at best Buy.
I don't know Mo
Hopefully the intel fan boi will stop drooling all over himself and help you out...
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The top of the line I5 rates comparable to the AMD fx8100.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-overclock,3106-5.html
You=n00b
And there is no system that is taking advantage of the 8 cores in the FX8100...
Yet
performance/cost intel can't touch AMD. It's a simple statement of fact.
IMO you have more built in longevity with the AM3+ socket than you do with any current Intel platform.
By all means spend 600 bucks on a cpu - knock yourself out...
Thanks..but Ill take an I7 for $300 Alex.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115070
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Thanks..but Ill take an I7 for $300 Alex.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115070
You=n00b again.
Reese probably thought about Intel that actually HAS speed advantage over AMD 8150
And tell Modeeb what motherboard he has to buy, in last 3 years we
saw sockets 775, 1155, 1156, 1366 and 2011 from Intel
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Thanks..but Ill take an I7 for $300 Alex.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115070
You=n00b again.
Reese probably thought about Intel that actually HAS speed advantage over AMD 8150
And tell Modeeb what motherboard he has to buy, in last 3 years we
saw sockets 775, 1155, 1156, 1366 and 2011 from Intel
And probably 30+ different chipsets
He is too interested in continuing this intel/amd pissing match. It's been going on since I had my new build thread going.
i7-2600k which he just linked to has a CPUperformance/price rating of 29.82
AMD FX 8150 has a rating of 34.37
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html#cpuvalue
But sure spend an extra 100-200 getting that extra performance 
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Thanks..but Ill take an I7 for $300 Alex.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115070
You=n00b again.
You just linked to a proc that costs 325 bucks and that's rated lower than the 8150.
grats on throwing money away dumbass.
Stop futzing around and just help Mo out...
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Thanks..but Ill take an I7 for $300 Alex.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115070
You=n00b again.
You just linked to a proc that costs 325 bucks and that's rated lower than the 8150.
grats on throwing money away dumbass.
Stop futzing around and just help Mo out...
According to http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-overclock,3106-5.html, the I7 I listed is heads and above ( by 2 tiers ) the AMD chip.
I have 2 machines. One is the one I have at home, the other one work bought me.
Home machine running WinXP64
AMD Phenom 4 940
8gb ram
ATi HD6850 video card
1x 160gb SSD drive
Work Machine running Win7x64
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10gb ram
Ati HD6850
1x250gb 10k Raptor drive
Playing SWTOR, which uses more CPU than GPU when playing, I get 30-40 MORE fps on my work computer than I do my home computer. My home machine was built by myself and the work machine was off of HP's retail site.
Everything that I do on the work machine is quicker, faster and better than my home machine.
I've been building computers since I had my 1st computer in 1988, which was an IBM 8088 that ran at 4 MHz and had a red turbo button to bump that up. Oh..it had a 10mb hard drive as well.
I was an AMD fanboi. LIke I stated earlier, this is the 1st machine that I have used in 10+ years that didn't have an AMD chip in it. There is a reson AMD is "shifting" its focus to the mobile market and away from high end desktop processors.
See: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/AMD-APU-Z-Series-ARM-Tegra-3,14114.html
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Intel fanboi here...
I build about 2-3 systems a month for gamers and for my company. Here is a system that will do what you are asking and will be viable for a few years.
Intel i5 2500K - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115072
Gigabyte mobo - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128502
EVGA 560ti - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130604
OCZ 120gb SSD - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227706
WD 750gb slave - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136950
12g corsair memory - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233146
Seasonic 650W PSU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151088
Corsair 400R case - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139008
DVD burner - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136236
Samsung monitor - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824001388
win7 pro 64bit - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116992
CPU-$220
MOBO-$130
GPU-$225
SSD-$160
RAM-$85
PSU-$140
Slave drive-$100
Case-$100
DVD burner-$17
Monitor-$200
OS-$140
=$1517
Had to compromise on some things to keep it around $1500. Will not need an aftermarket cooler if you do not plan on overclocking. You can tweak the size of the drives or the OS and burner etc. Good luck!
Edit: You can get a decent case for half the price (Rosewill's) but from experience, Corsair has THE best cable management out there. If you do not care about that get a different ATX-mid tower (I recommend the Rosewill Challenger)
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pissing contest...
Stop futzing around and just help Mo out...
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Intel is FASTER!!!
Phenom II X4 940 release date: January 2009
Core I7-2600 release date: January 2011
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reesescups posted:
Kamdar posted:
pissing contest...
Stop futzing around and just help Mo out...
SOmeone already did. Didnt mean to be a pissing contest...n00b.
I am a diehard Ati bitch, so I would go Ati over nvidia. Also, SSD is nice and all, but Raptor is just as nice..and a hell of alot less expensive.
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Many thanks to everyone
If I go I7 instead of I 5 how much is this going to cost. Im not going to scrimp for a couple hundred bucks
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It is $80 more for an i7-2600
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115071
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It is $80 more for an i7-2600
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115071
Just make sure you have a mobo with the right socket and chipset...
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i7-2600 will fit in the mobo I listed.
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Many thanks to everyone
If I go I7 instead of I 5 how much is this going to cost. Im not going to scrimp for a couple hundred bucks
Since you are going to be doing more than games, a 2700 makes sense for you. As opposed to the 2500, it does hyperthreading and a few other nifty things that games get no benefit from, but which many other applications do.
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You get more features if you compare the i7 2700 with the i5. However there are some reports that show the 2700 being unstable. The 2600 i7 is the best bang for the buck.
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