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Apparently the guy who reported on the horrible working conditions in the Chinese factories made it up.
http://landing.newsinc.com/shared/video.html?freewheel=90085&sitesection=ttbreitbart&VID=23599138
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Im smelling a PR spin and damage control.
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Im smelling a PR spin and damage control.
unlikely, although i'm sure Apple doesn't mind it... but This American Life hates admitting they were wrong and retracting a story is a huge deal for them.
http://www.thisamericanlife.org/blog/2012/03/retracting-mr-daisey-and-the-apple-factory
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SirGarth posted:
Modeeb posted:
Im smelling a PR spin and damage control.
unlikely, although i'm sure Apple doesn't mind it... but This American Life hates admitting they were wrong and retracting a story is a huge deal for them.
http://www.thisamericanlife.org/blog/2012/03/retracting-mr-daisey-and-the-apple-factory
Yeah I heard the original story and the retraction. Nice to see journalists own up when they report inaccurate information.
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Im smelling a PR spin and damage control.
Agreed
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If Ash and Garth say its tue, ill buy it.
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It's not that the working conditions aren't horrible and that people aren't being brutalized by Foxxcon. It's that the guy who told the story claimed he met all those people and had first hand knowledge of their plights. He didn't. He lied. This American Life (My favorite show on any form of media ever) screwed up by giving this liar a platform to share his lies.
I'm disappointed that they allowed something this crap to get thru their filters, and saddened that their reputation as honest and reliable journalists has been severely compromised by doing so. I'm glad they didn't try to make excuses for their failure however.
Anyone looking at this incident as evidence that Foxxcon isn't a horrible company and that Apple isn't god damn evil for using them...is a mouth breather however.
It would be like using the fact that some guy claimed to have saved thousands of Jews during the holocaust and ended up being a guy who actually spent the entire time working as a CPA in Orlando as "proof" that the holocaust never happened.
IOW....stupid and illogical.
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Ashmaele posted:
SirGarth posted:
Modeeb posted:
Im smelling a PR spin and damage control.
unlikely, although i'm sure Apple doesn't mind it... but This American Life hates admitting they were wrong and retracting a story is a huge deal for them.
http://www.thisamericanlife.org/blog/2012/03/retracting-mr-daisey-and-the-apple-factory
Yeah I heard the original story and the retraction. Nice to see journalists own up when they report inaccurate information.
This American Life is one of the few remaining examples of quality journalism left.
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Still too evil of a company for me to buy from. Their constant misuse of new technology to increase their profit margins by setting their own prices is not just bad in moral business, but bad for the consumer
Apple offers VERY little in the field of research and development. They offer even less to contributing to technology. They harvest new technology from other companies and capitalize on it. A good thing, but they do it in a bad way.
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eh, yeah... the guy is a liar and a douchebag, but that doesn't mean Foxconn doesn't have some problems.
that said, they're also probably way better than some of the other manufacturers out there - so if you own an xbox 360, sony playstation, PC, etc you can't really single Apple out.
http://kotaku.com/5891996/console-companies-continuing-to-keep-inspectors-out-of-factories
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I don't think it's fair to simply assume Apple is better than Microsoft or Samsung, they have done nothing to earn that kind of faith. Especially considering how high their profit margins are and how little they contribute in terms of real value.
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I agree. Apple as a company is a horrible for other companies and technology in general. They commonly go against standards, they buy technology from other companies without creating any of their own and patent it, and then they use that technology in their devices which they mark up the price to whatever they want because they can just sue anyone who tries to compete (which they have been doing constantly for years now)
Evil company. I consider them anti-technology and anti-consumer. They're the perfect example of how bad corporate strategist have begun to kill industry and innovation
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Their patents are proof of how utterly depraved they are. It's sad that so many people buy into hype without thinking, but then again I suppose they get what they deserve in the form of poor products, deteriorating economy, and a weakened industry.
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I agree. Apple as a company is a horrible for other companies and technology in general. They commonly go against standards, they buy technology from other companies without creating any of their own and patent it, and then they use that technology in their devices which they mark up the price to whatever they want because they can just sue anyone who tries to compete (which they have been doing constantly for years now)
Evil company. I consider them anti-technology and anti-consumer. They're the perfect example of how bad corporate strategist have begun to kill industry and innovation
LOL if i hadn't seen the word Apple, i would have sworn you were describing Microsoft.
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LOL if i hadn't seen the word Apple, i would have sworn you were describing Microsoft.
Well Apple is the new Microsoft, and has been for years, in that sense at least.
I mean it's pretty obvious and hardly news.
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LOL if i hadn't seen the word Apple, i would have sworn you were describing Microsoft.
Well Apple is the new Microsoft, and has been for years, in that sense at least.
I mean it's pretty obvious and hardly news.
And they aren't the only two either. It's kind of how the corporate world works these days. Currently Apple is getting all the ire, we'll move on to hating another in due time, while never solving the isssue.
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And they aren't the only two either. It's kind of how the corporate world works these days. Currently Apple is getting all the ire, we'll move on to hating another in due time, while never solving the isssue.
There are many others of course.
Corps can get pretty wild after a while, losing touch with everything and anything except maximizing profit and ego. I mean it's a natural and good drive until it becomes extreme and goes on for ages.
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Microsoft doesn't have legions of fanboys that will trade their one testicle for the next iTurd.
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Currently Apple is getting all the ire, we'll move on to hating another in due time, while never solving the isssue.
Apple is getting the hate right now because it cultivates a certain image. Everyone knows M$ is a douchebag monopolist corporation and it wouldn't surprise anyone if they use slave labor.
Apple pretends to be some nice wholesome company for cool hipsters who want to do good and save the world. When it turns out Apple uses terrible companies to manufacture its products it hurts Apple worse. Especially when Apple has massive profit margins anyhow so it has absolutely no NEED to cut corners to save costs.
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patents are utterly depraved.
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Yukishiro1 posted:
Kjarhall posted:
Currently Apple is getting all the ire, we'll move on to hating another in due time, while never solving the isssue.
Apple is getting the hate right now because it cultivates a certain image. Everyone knows M$ is a douchebag monopolist corporation and it wouldn't surprise anyone if they use slave labor.
Apple pretends to be some nice wholesome company for cool hipsters who want to do good and save the world. When it turns out Apple uses terrible companies to manufacture its products it hurts Apple worse. Especially when Apple has massive profit margins anyhow so it has absolutely no NEED to cut corners to save costs.
And they're sitting on a ton of cash that should be dividends to stockholders.
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I think I know about patent law because I'm fat, wear glasses, and have tiny testicles
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Kjarhall posted:
Yukishiro1 posted:
Kjarhall posted:
Currently Apple is getting all the ire, we'll move on to hating another in due time, while never solving the isssue.
Apple is getting the hate right now because it cultivates a certain image. Everyone knows M$ is a douchebag monopolist corporation and it wouldn't surprise anyone if they use slave labor.
Apple pretends to be some nice wholesome company for cool hipsters who want to do good and save the world. When it turns out Apple uses terrible companies to manufacture its products it hurts Apple worse. Especially when Apple has massive profit margins anyhow so it has absolutely no NEED to cut corners to save costs.
And they're sitting on a ton of cash that should be dividends to stockholders.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/apple-s-dividend--who-s-getting-how-much-.html
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