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NEW BRUNSWICK, N.J. (AP) — A former Rutgers University student accused of using a webcam to spy on his gay roommate's love life was convicted of all counts Friday in a case that exploded into the headlines when the victim of the snooping committed suicide by throwing himself off a bridge.

Dharun Ravi, 20, shook his head slightly after the guilty verdicts were read for all 15 counts, including bias intimidation — a hate crime that was based on the victim's sexual orientation — and invasion of privacy.

He could get years in prison — and could be deported to his native India, even though he has lived legally in the U.S. since he was a little boy — for his part in an act that cast a spotlight on teen suicide and anti-gay bullying and illustrated the Internet's potential for tormenting others.

Prosecutors said that Ravi set up a webcam in his dorm room in September 2010 and captured his roommate, Tyler Clementi, kissing another man, then tweeted about it and excitedly tried to catch Clementi in the act again two days later. About a half-dozen students were believed to have seen the live video of the kissing.

Within days, Clementi realized he had been watched and leaped from the George Washington Bridge after posting one last status update on Facebook: "Jumping off the gw bridge, sorry."

Ravi's lawyer argued that the college freshman was not motivated by any malice toward gays — a necessary element to prove a hate crime — and that his actions were just those of an immature "kid."

The defense also contended Ravi initially set up the camera because he was afraid Clementi's older, "sketchy"-looking visitor might steal his belongings.

Ravi was not charged with causing Clementi's death, and the suicide remained largely in the background at the trial, though some witnesses mentioned it and the jury was told Clementi had taken his life. Prosecutors were not allowed to argue directly that the spying led to his death; defense lawyers were barred from saying there were other reasons he killed himself.

Clementi's death was one in a string of suicides by young gays around the country in September 2010. President Barack Obama commented on it, as did talk show host Ellen DeGeneres.

New Jersey lawmakers hastened passage of an anti-bullying law because of the case, and Rutgers changed its housing policies to allow opposite-sex roommates in an effort to make gay, bisexual and transgender students feel more comfortable.

Testimony came from about 30 witnesses over 12 days, including the man seen kissing Clementi. The 32-year-old man was identified in court only by the initials M.B. Ravi himself did not testify, though the jury watched a video of his interrogation by police.

Ravi and Clementi, both 18-year-old freshmen from comfortable New Jersey suburbs, had been randomly assigned to room together at Rutgers, and Clementi had arrived at college just a few days after coming out to his parents as gay.

A string of students testified they never heard Ravi say anything bad about gays in general or Clementi in particular. But students did say Ravi expressed some concern about sharing a room with a gay man.

On Sept. 19, according to testimony, Clementi asked Ravi to leave their room so that he could have a guest. Later, Ravi posted on Twitter: "Roommate asked for the room till midnight. I went into molly's room and turned on my webcam. I saw him making out with a dude. Yay."

Ravi told police that he viewed only seconds of the encounter via computer.

His friend Molly Wei testified that she and a few other students also watched the live stream of the men kissing. (Wei was initially charged in the case but was later accepted into a pretrial program that will allow her to keep her record clean.)

Two nights later, Clementi asked for the room alone again. This time, Ravi tweeted: "I dare you to video chat me between the hours of 9:30 and 12. Yes, it's happening again." Ravi also texted a friend about a planned "viewing party" and, two students said, went to friends' dorm rooms to show them how to access the feed.

However, there was no evidence the webcam was turned on that night. Ravi told police he had put his computer to sleep. Prosecutors argued Clementi himself unplugged the computer.

According to testimony, Clementi submitted a room-change request form and talked to a resident assistant about what happened. He also used his laptop to view Ravi's Twitter site 38 times in the last two days of his life. He killed himself on Sept. 22.

http://news.yahoo.com/former-rutgers-student-convicted-webcam-case-155436220.html

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CNN is saying he was only found guilty of invasion of privacy...

 

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woot Im so glad they nailed him to the wall for this..  he deserves everything he gets and then some.  I cant wait til he gets to prison and he can see what the real gay sex life is about when one of the old fat inmates named Bubba makes this kid his new girlfriend.  They should totally broadcast that over the internet as well.

 

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woot Im so glad they nailed him to the wall for this..  he deserves everything he gets and then some.  I cant wait til he gets to prison and he can see what the real gay sex life is about when one of the old fat inmates named Bubba makes this kid his new girlfriend.  They should totally broadcast that over the internet as well.



Vindictive much?

Nothing worse than hate-filled gays.

 

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woot Im so glad they nailed him to the wall for this..  he deserves everything he gets and then some.  I cant wait til he gets to prison and he can see what the real gay sex life is about when one of the old fat inmates named Bubba makes this kid his new girlfriend.  They should totally broadcast that over the internet as well.


You don't go to prison for invasion of privacy.

 

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woot Im so glad they nailed him to the wall for this..  he deserves everything he gets and then some.  I cant wait til he gets to prison and he can see what the real gay sex life is about when one of the old fat inmates named Bubba makes this kid his new girlfriend.  They should totally broadcast that over the internet as well.


Prison rape aint as common as you think.


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NonOffensiveName posted:
woot Im so glad they nailed him to the wall for this..  he deserves everything he gets and then some.  I cant wait til he gets to prison and he can see what the real gay sex life is about when one of the old fat inmates named Bubba makes this kid his new girlfriend.  They should totally broadcast that over the internet as well.


Prison rape aint as common as you think.


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Its actually almost non-existant... not saying there aren't men getting sodomized in prison... but that's entirely their choice and also very very rarely happens. A prisoner would have about 30 seconds to perform the act from the time he enters the cell until the time he exits the cell to a CO waiting with handcuffs. I can get anywhere on my range in about 30 seconds and the control booth has cameras on every cell on my range.

 

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woot Im so glad they nailed him to the wall for this..  he deserves everything he gets and then some.  I cant wait til he gets to prison and he can see what the real gay sex life is about when one of the old fat inmates named Bubba makes this kid his new girlfriend.  They should totally broadcast that over the internet as well.
Vindictive much? Nothing worse than hate-filled gays.
apparently hate filled straight people are worse since this guy was found guilty :P  just cause they couldnt prove the hate crime part doesnt mean he wasnt guilty of it.

 

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CNN is saying he was only found guilty of invasion of privacy...


YAHOO SAYS ALL 15 COUNTS!!

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the guy was pulling a prank on the kid who didn't respect his roommate, instead idiot killed himself. parents and society shouldn't blame this kid for idiot's suicide.

 

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Calling this a hate crime is one of the stupidest judgments ever.

He saw his roomie kissing another guy on the webcam. Made a tweet which read as "unenthusiastic" to me, not hateful. Just more like "whoa not what I was expecting to see there".

As for the "viewing party", so what? I would bet you money that if his roomie had been straight, and the webcam set up, he would have still tried to arrange for such, and he probably would have watched a lot longer on the first webcam.

Invasion of privacy yes. Hate crime, no way. Bet he would have done the exact same thing if his roommate had been straight and making out with a girl.

 

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Why does anyone give a crap that he is a Rutgers student?

 

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If it was a straight guy with an ugly chick? Nobody would have cared.
If it was a guy with a black chick? Nobody would have cared.

Two guys? OMG HATE CRIME UP TO 10 YEARS IN PRISON.

****ing stupid.

 

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Perhaps he would of had a viewing party either way but his intent would of been different.

 

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Why does anyone give a crap that he is a Rutgers student?
bcs thats the college that it happened at :P

 

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Calling this a hate crime is one of the stupidest judgments ever. He saw his roomie kissing another guy on the webcam. Made a tweet which read as "unenthusiastic" to me, not hateful. Just more like "whoa not what I was expecting to see there". As for the "viewing party", so what? I would bet you money that if his roomie had been straight, and the webcam set up, he would have still tried to arrange for such, and he probably would have watched a lot longer on the first webcam. Invasion of privacy yes. Hate crime, no way. Bet he would have done the exact same thing if his roommate had been straight and making out with a girl.
Im betting not since he roomate knew that the gay guy had been having guy friends over. He pretty much set up the web cam to catch him being gay.

and why would he tweet about it and tell his friends to come and watch the second time if his intent wasnt to humiliate his roommate in the first place?

its really not that hard to understand but Im loving all the sympathy for the STILL alive straight guy from everyone plain

 

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Calling this a hate crime is one of the stupidest judgments ever. He saw his roomie kissing another guy on the webcam. Made a tweet which read as "unenthusiastic" to me, not hateful. Just more like "whoa not what I was expecting to see there". As for the "viewing party", so what? I would bet you money that if his roomie had been straight, and the webcam set up, he would have still tried to arrange for such, and he probably would have watched a lot longer on the first webcam. Invasion of privacy yes. Hate crime, no way. Bet he would have done the exact same thing if his roommate had been straight and making out with a girl.
Im betting not since he roomate knew that the gay guy had been having guy friends over. He pretty much set up the web cam to catch him being gay.

and why would he tweet about it and tell his friends to come and watch the second time if his intent wasnt to humiliate his roommate in the first place?

its really not that hard to understand but Im loving all the sympathy for the STILL alive straight guy from everyone plain


Yep because this kind of thing has never happened to a straight guy making out with a girl, ever ever. Every single person on the planet would totally respect that a guy was gonna have a girl over and not sneakily set up a webcam to watch and/or make fun of later. No no, clearly it ONLY happens to gays and it must be a hate crime.

 

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Calling this a hate crime is one of the stupidest judgments ever.

He saw his roomie kissing another guy on the webcam. Made a tweet which read as "unenthusiastic" to me, not hateful. Just more like "whoa not what I was expecting to see there".

As for the "viewing party", so what? I would bet you money that if his roomie had been straight, and the webcam set up, he would have still tried to arrange for such, and he probably would have watched a lot longer on the first webcam.

Invasion of privacy yes. Hate crime, no way. Bet he would have done the exact same thing if his roommate had been straight and making out with a girl.



Yup, but because the guy was gay it has to be called a "hate crime". If their roles had been reversed, it wouldnt have been. The gay guy would have just been called immature and it would have been left at that.

 

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Don't you guys realize you are committing a hate crime by disagreeing with Non? Anytime you do something that a gay doesn't like its a hate crime.

 

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Don't you guys realize you are committing a hate crime by disagreeing with Non? Anytime you do something that a gay doesn't like its a hate crime.

Non disagrees with me all the time. That makes him guilty of a hate crime, right?

 

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Calling this a hate crime is one of the stupidest judgments ever. He saw his roomie kissing another guy on the webcam. Made a tweet which read as "unenthusiastic" to me, not hateful. Just more like "whoa not what I was expecting to see there". As for the "viewing party", so what? I would bet you money that if his roomie had been straight, and the webcam set up, he would have still tried to arrange for such, and he probably would have watched a lot longer on the first webcam. Invasion of privacy yes. Hate crime, no way. Bet he would have done the exact same thing if his roommate had been straight and making out with a girl.
Im betting not since he roomate knew that the gay guy had been having guy friends over. He pretty much set up the web cam to catch him being gay. and why would he tweet about it and tell his friends to come and watch the second time if his intent wasnt to humiliate his roommate in the first place? its really not that hard to understand but Im loving all the sympathy for the STILL alive straight guy from everyone
Yep because this kind of thing has never happened to a straight guy making out with a girl, ever ever. Every single person on the planet would totally respect that a guy was gonna have a girl over and not sneakily set up a webcam to watch and/or make fun of later. No no, clearly it ONLY happens to gays and it must be a hate crime.
thats the thing, it wouldnt have been done had the gay kid been straight

I mean you can sit there and tell me that if two guys are roommates for any length of time and one roommate only has GUY "friends" over and never ANY girls at all you dont think the other roommate would suspect that he was gay? Esp when he asked if he could have the room until midnight? Its one thing to be curious and mind your own business its something else entirely to set your web cam up to catch your roommate messing around with another guy and trying to broadcast it not once but twice to as many people as you possibly can.

Even if he would've done it to a straight roommate he wouldnt have alerted people to the fact that it was happening, he wanted to publicly humiliate his roommate and thats what he did which caused his roommate to commit suicide since he couldnt take the humiliation.

My only question is why isnt this kid in jail for murder? He might as well pushed the gay kid off the GW bridge himself for all that it matters in what he did to precipitate the suicide.

 

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thats the thing, it wouldnt have been done had the gay kid been straight


I could turn you onto a website that would completely debunk this theory of yours. Hidden camera college sex videos are all over the internet, even a tard like BT could find them without much effort.

 

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Don't you guys realize you are committing a hate crime by disagreeing with Non? Anytime you do something that a gay doesn't like its a hate crime.


Not all gay people are like Non... a great deal are nice, tolerant, NORMAL people. But there's the few like Non who end up making the rest look bad.

 

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thats the thing, it wouldnt have been done had the gay kid been straight
I could turn you onto a website that would completely debunk this theory of yours. Hidden camera college sex videos are all over the internet, even a tard like BT could find them without much effort.
lol you REALLY think those websites are done without the occupants consent? REALLY? rofl you're way more naive than I ever gave you credit for.

I bet you believe Dustin Diamond's sex tape was really "leaked" and he didnt do it for a publicity stun too. LOL wow just wow.

 

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there aren't any webcam videos online at all of straight couples having sex that they don't know is being taped...

 

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Calling this a hate crime is one of the stupidest judgments ever.

He saw his roomie kissing another guy on the webcam. Made a tweet which read as "unenthusiastic" to me, not hateful. Just more like "whoa not what I was expecting to see there".

As for the "viewing party", so what? I would bet you money that if his roomie had been straight, and the webcam set up, he would have still tried to arrange for such, and he probably would have watched a lot longer on the first webcam.

Invasion of privacy yes. Hate crime, no way. Bet he would have done the exact same thing if his roommate had been straight and making out with a girl.



I totally agree.

Also, people who commit suicide have other issues. No one thing makes a person suddenly decide to off himself. Blaming this guy and then convicting him is outrageous imo. (And I come from a pro gay environment.)

 

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Don't you guys realize you are committing a hate crime by disagreeing with Non? Anytime you do something that a gay doesn't like its a hate crime.
Not all gay people are like Non... a great deal are nice, tolerant, NORMAL people. But there's the few like Non who end up making the rest look bad.
Yeah the majority of gay people are like Poit..theyre sheeple. They think straight people accept them because they keep their sexual identity in the closet 99% of the time so that the "normal" straight people dont ever have to think about it while the straight people parade their sexuality in our faces 24/7. Its attitudes like that who have caused these suicides among young adults and teens over the past few years.

Im not saying that you have to shout it from the rooftops every five minutes to be annoying about it just for attention but dang it all Im going to be "normal" too. Im going to talk about my sexuality when I think its appropriate and interject my point of view from my life perspective when I choose to do so. If you or anyone have a problem whether they are gay or straight with that then they can eff off. I just wish someone had been brave enough to tell the gay guy in this story and all the other tragic suicides that have happened over the last few years due to anti gay acts and bullying. Im already tired of hearing "it gets better" Im ready for it to be "it is better now!"

 

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there aren't any webcam videos online at all of straight couples having sex that they don't know is being taped...


exactly. I have never seen hundreds of them. NEVER.

 

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there aren't any webcam videos online at all of straight couples having sex that they don't know is being taped...
yeah thats a totally different thing all together, you really do like comparing apples and oranges dont you Jezza?  Making a sex tape is one thing.  What his roommate did on the same level of rape in my opinion.  He video taped him during a very intimate moment without his knowledge or approval.  How much more can you violate someone without physically touching them?

 

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thats the thing, it wouldnt have been done had the gay kid been straight
I could turn you onto a website that would completely debunk this theory of yours. Hidden camera college sex videos are all over the internet, even a tard like BT could find them without much effort.
lol you REALLY think those websites are done without the occupants consent? REALLY? rofl you're way more naive than I ever gave you credit for.

I bet you believe Dustin Diamond's sex tape was really "leaked" and he didnt do it for a publicity stun too. LOL wow just wow.


Considering I have a friend who was posted to one of the websites without her consent... Yes I do think they allow videos to get posted to them without consent. It took her 3 months to get the site to remove the video, and it wasn't because of lawyers it was because she managed to talk her ex into requesting its removal.

 

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there aren't any webcam videos online at all of straight couples having sex that they don't know is being taped...
yeah thats a totally different thing all together, you really do like comparing apples and oranges dont you Jezza?  Making a sex tape is one thing.  What his roommate did on the same level of rape in my opinion.  He video taped him during a very intimate moment without his knowledge or approval.  How much more can you violate someone without physically touching them?


Couples being taped in college dorms happens so often they might as well just openly have cams in every room. Again, you're just too stupid to see the connection, this isn't apples and oranges at all... it's removing the biased piece (gay) and showing that it happens, everywhere, to everyone of every race, creed, or sexual preference.

you're just pissed off because it was viewed as something gross, instead of something hawt.


well here's news to you, EVERY recording has people that will like/dislike it for whatever their preference.

 

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there aren't any webcam videos online at all of straight couples having sex that they don't know is being taped...
yeah thats a totally different thing all together, you really do like comparing apples and oranges dont you Jezza?  Making a sex tape is one thing.  What his roommate did on the same level of rape in my opinion.  He video taped him during a very intimate moment without his knowledge or approval.  How much more can you violate someone without physically touching them?



You throw around serious words like rape and murder way too often. I wonder if you really know what they even mean. When you use it all the time for things that AREN'T rape or murder it demeans those who have been a victim of those acts.

 

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Non you are so bitter, you are very difficult to take serious



take a step back and take a deep breathe

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If only the Nazis had succeeded in exterminating the gays

 

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If only the Nazis had succeeded in exterminating the gays
Hey, where have you been?

 

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If only the Nazis had succeeded in exterminating the gays

i know right? the world would be so much nicer.

 

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Lol why do gays get to ruin everything by being drama queens? If the guy was hooking up with a girl it would have been super embarassing for her and no one would have cared outside people that knew them. Additionally if this guy hadnt killed himself nobody would care, instead hes like oh noez im a depressed repressed gay /suicide, wow thats really original. Why is this even a big deal?

Poor guy getting screwed by the law here big time. Its like anything involving black people, big mistake if it gets picked up by the media circus.

 

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I think the punishment is too much for the crime myself. But it does not change the fact he violated a law enacted by the democratically elected legislature of the state according to a jury of his peers. That is how America works... the law is the law and it applies equally to everyone.

 

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Yeah the majority of gay people are like Poit..theyre sheeple. They think straight people accept them because they keep their sexual identity in the closet 99% of the time

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Yeah the majority of gay people are like Poit..theyre sheeple. They think straight people accept them because they keep their sexual identity in the closet 99% of the time

[face_poit]


I think NON is jealous that we like you. I think he is totally missing the point that we like you for all of you... not just your gayness, and we dislike him because he's a jackass, not because of his gayness.

 

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Lol why do gays get to ruin everything by being drama queens? If the guy was hooking up with a girl it would have been super embarassing for her and no one would have cared outside people that knew them. Additionally if this guy hadnt killed himself nobody would care, instead hes like oh noez im a depressed repressed gay /suicide, wow thats really original. Why is this even a big deal? Poor guy getting screwed by the law here big time. Its like anything involving black people, big mistake if it gets picked up by the media circus.
lawl if it had happened to a woman all she would have had to do was yell rape and they all would have been put under the jail house lol But if a gay person dies no one makes a big deal about it.

Its like that one kid who shot the other kid in high school point blank and in cold premeditated murder...he only got 22 years plain

 

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Yeah the majority of gay people are like Poit..theyre sheeple. They think straight people accept them because they keep their sexual identity in the closet 99% of the time
[face_poit]
I think NON is jealous that we like you. I think he is totally missing the point that we like you for all of you... not just your gayness, and we dislike him because he's a jackass, not because of his gayness.
jealous? hardly.  Id rather be free and hated than oppressed and loved. I lived in the closet for 20 some odd years.  Ill be damned if Im gonna do it again for some random internet bullies who cant stand a lifestyle other than what theyre already accustomed to.  Like I said before Im not gonna be a flamer about it.  I dont want to throw it in people's faces but if the topic or any related topic comes up Im gonna share my opinion on it no matter who likes it or not just like everyone else enjoys the freedom to do.

 

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I think the punishment is too much for the crime myself. But it does not change the fact he violated a law enacted by the democratically elected legislature of the state according to a jury of his peers. That is how America works... the law is the law and it applies equally to everyone.



ummmmmm no.

money buys justice, a public pretender gets you 10-12.

 

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I think the punishment is too much for the crime myself. But it does not change the fact he violated a law enacted by the democratically elected legislature of the state according to a jury of his peers. That is how America works... the law is the law and it applies equally to everyone.



ummmmmm no.

money buys justice, a public pretender gets you 10-12.


Well it did not work for this kid... pretty sure he had one of the best defense lawyers around.

 

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I think the punishment is too much for the crime myself. But it does not change the fact he violated a law enacted by the democratically elected legislature of the state according to a jury of his peers. That is how America works... the law is the law and it applies equally to everyone.



ummmmmm no.

money buys justice, a public pretender gets you 10-12.


Well it did not work for this kid... pretty sure he had one of the best defense lawyers around.


all legal cases the get national media attention attract good defense attorneys looking to volunteer their services, just because its free face time on national tv.

the majority of people that get processed through the criminal justice system cant afford a good lawyer.

 

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I have no problem with it being labeled a hate crime....because, at root, that is what it was.

People fear and hate things that are different, different sexuality is one of the situations that causes the most fear and hatred. It also causes the most brutal and oppressive retaliations and offenses by others.

It would be nice to live in a world where everyone was accepted by everyone else, and making certain crimes subject to more punishment based upon the victims differences from the "norm" unnecessary, but we don't.

There are times when society must be pushed, screaming and flailing, into growing the eff up and dealing with reality. Racism, misogyny, homophobia....all are blights on our collective consciousness and all of them have at times led to horrific crimes and countless acts of cruelty and oppression.

It's in all of our best interests for such pathological hatreds to be pushed to the margins of society and forcibly removed from acceptable behavior and ways of thinking. I know it goes against the grain of everyone to think of forcing people to accept others, but it's still something that our country, and our world will be better off for after it has been done.

It takes generations to change peoples thinking, but it does happen. IF you force it. If you simply wait for people to grow up without pushing the issue, you get generation after generation of fear and hatred ingrained and entrenched into society and then it makes the problems associated with such pathologies even worse.

If you have to think twice, or even three times before you do something stupid....it's a good thing. Even if it sucks at times for individual cases. That's part of being part of a society. Sometimes, just like a soldier in war, you have to undergo situations that suck for the good of the whole. However, unlike being a soldier, you aren't sworn to being an asshole and you sure as hell aren't protecting and serving society by hating on people who are different from you.

I could feel sorry that the guy got punished for his act of "petty fun". But I don't. His "petty fun" ended up with someone else dying. Even though it wasn't directly his fault, he made the situation worse. So screw the stupid bastard and let him deal with the results of his stupidity. The guy who died already dealt with the results of his stupid decision to kill himself. He is dead. I don't feel sorry for him either, I just wish the situation would have never happened in the first place. Which is what hate crime legislation can help reduce. Situations such as this.

 

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Yeah the majority of gay people are like Poit..theyre sheeple. They think straight people accept them because they keep their sexual identity in the closet 99% of the time
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I think NON is jealous that we like you. I think he is totally missing the point that we like you for all of you... not just your gayness, and we dislike him because he's a jackass, not because of his gayness.
jealous? hardly.  Id rather be free and hated than oppressed and loved. I lived in the closet for 20 some odd years.  Ill be damned if Im gonna do it again for some random internet bullies who cant stand a lifestyle other than what theyre already accustomed to.  Like I said before Im not gonna be a flamer about it.  I dont want to throw it in people's faces but if the topic or any related topic comes up Im gonna share my opinion on it no matter who likes it or not just like everyone else enjoys the freedom to do.


Uh. So last time I checked I was neither a bully nor can I "not stand" a lifestyle other than what I'm already accustomed to. There are a lot of people with lifestyles that I neither agree with or would like to have as my own, but I also don't hate any of those people.

The only reason you annoy me is that you think if anything bad happens to a gay person, it must be because the other person hates gays and it's a hate crime. You simply refuse to believe anything other than that point of view.

Analogy. A white guy beats up a black man just after the black guy gets out of his truck. Hate crime, right? Ol' Whitey must hate black people! Not so fast! Turns out that white dude hates people who drive Fords with a passion (he's a Dodge man himself) and it wouldn't have mattered if the truck driver was white, black, or purple. He still would have done it. But the only thing some people can see is "a white guy beat up a black guy therefore HE MUST BE A RACIST". Yes the analogy is a bit far-fetched but it's just to make a point.

Or let's say you got your ass handed to you. Probably nothing would convince you that the person who kicked your ass did it because you're an annoying douchebag. You'd no doubt start whining that he did it because you're gay and that other guy is a homophobe and hates gays. You'd have him arrested not just for assault and battery but for a "hate crime" too. Yes assault/battery. Absolutely. But hate crime? Uhhhh no.

 

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woot Im so glad they nailed him to the wall for this..  he deserves everything he gets and then some.  I cant wait til he gets to prison and he can see what the real gay sex life is about when one of the old fat inmates named Bubba makes this kid his new girlfriend.  They should totally broadcast that over the internet as well.
Vindictive much? Nothing worse than hate-filled gays.
apparently hate filled straight people are worse since this guy was found guilty :P  just cause they couldnt prove the hate crime part doesnt mean he wasnt guilty of it.



Wait, you just contradicted yourself.

 

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woot Im so glad they nailed him to the wall for this..  he deserves everything he gets and then some.  I cant wait til he gets to prison and he can see what the real gay sex life is about when one of the old fat inmates named Bubba makes this kid his new girlfriend.  They should totally broadcast that over the internet as well.


Are you openly supporting rape with that post, and claiming rape is what real gay sex lives are about?

 

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Yeah the majority of gay people are like Poit..theyre sheeple. They think straight people accept them because they keep their sexual identity in the closet 99% of the time
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I think NON is jealous that we like you. I think he is totally missing the point that we like you for all of you... not just your gayness, and we dislike him because he's a jackass, not because of his gayness.
jealous? hardly.  Id rather be free and hated than oppressed and loved. I lived in the closet for 20 some odd years.  Ill be damned if Im gonna do it again for some random internet bullies who cant stand a lifestyle other than what theyre already accustomed to.  Like I said before Im not gonna be a flamer about it.  I dont want to throw it in people's faces but if the topic or any related topic comes up Im gonna share my opinion on it no matter who likes it or not just like everyone else enjoys the freedom to do.


I don't think you get it Non... we don't hate you because you are gay. We could care less that you are gay. We hate you because you are a pompous jackass who tries to turn everything to his agenda and scream hate and spew. YOU attack STRAIGHT people on this board, not the other way around. You ARE a flamer about your sexuality because I have NEVER seen you make a post without mentioning that you are gay and how everyone hates gays even when it has nothing to do with the thread.

You WANT everyone to care and feel sorry for you because you are gay... Well news flash: We don't care about YOU or your sexual preference. Get over it.

 

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