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PHOENIX (AP) — Women in Arizona trying to get reimbursed for birth control drugs through their employer-provided health plan could be required to prove that they are taking it for a medical reason such as acne, rather than to prevent pregnancy.
A bill nearing passage in the Republican-led Legislature allows all employers, not just religious institutions, to opt out of providing contraceptive coverage when doing so would violate their religious or moral beliefs.
When a female worker uses birth control pills, which can be used to treat a number of medical conditions, the bill would allow an employer who opted out to require her to reveal what she was taking it for in order to get reimbursed.
The bill thrusts the state into a raging national debate about religious freedom and birth control, sparked after the Obama administration required that employers must provide contraception coverage under the federal health care overhaul.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iAiWecJ_Stkfdleer6RzuTNjtbuQ?docId=85281c12012a44e0b9ce37b15e5ce302
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PHOENIX (AP) — Women in Arizona trying to get reimbursed for birth control drugs through their employer-provided health plan could be required to prove that they are taking it for a medical reason such as acne, rather than to prevent pregnancy.
A bill nearing passage in the Republican-led Legislature allows all employers, not just religious institutions, to opt out of providing contraceptive coverage when doing so would violate their religious or moral beliefs.
When a female worker uses birth control pills, which can be used to treat a number of medical conditions, the bill would allow an employer who opted out to require her to reveal what she was taking it for in order to get reimbursed.
The bill thrusts the state into a raging national debate about religious freedom and birth control, sparked after the Obama administration required that employers must provide contraception coverage under the federal health care overhaul.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iAiWecJ_Stkfdleer6RzuTNjtbuQ?docId=85281c12012a44e0b9ce37b15e5ce302
Absolutely ridiculous.
That's an invasion of people's privacy - your employer has no right to force you to disclose why you are taking a legally prescribed medication.
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Will they be allowing employers to opt out of providing viagra to unmarried people, for the same reasons?
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Will they be allowing employers to opt out of providing viagra to all men, for the same reasons?
Fixed.
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Darwynnia posted:
Sith_Mauler posted:
PHOENIX (AP) — Women in Arizona trying to get reimbursed for birth control drugs through their employer-provided health plan could be required to prove that they are taking it for a medical reason such as acne, rather than to prevent pregnancy.
A bill nearing passage in the Republican-led Legislature allows all employers, not just religious institutions, to opt out of providing contraceptive coverage when doing so would violate their religious or moral beliefs.
When a female worker uses birth control pills, which can be used to treat a number of medical conditions, the bill would allow an employer who opted out to require her to reveal what she was taking it for in order to get reimbursed.
The bill thrusts the state into a raging national debate about religious freedom and birth control, sparked after the Obama administration required that employers must provide contraception coverage under the federal health care overhaul.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iAiWecJ_Stkfdleer6RzuTNjtbuQ?docId=85281c12012a44e0b9ce37b15e5ce302
Absolutely ridiculous.
That's an invasion of people's privacy - your employer has no right to force you to disclose why you are taking a legally prescribed medication.
I KNOW ITS INVASION OF PRIVACY BECAUSE NO WAY THEY COULD POSSIBLY JUST BUY INSURANCE POLICIES THAT DO NOT COVER IT! THE ONLY WAY THIS IS POSSIBLE IS FOR YOUR NOSEY BOSS TO SNOOP IN YOUR MEDICAL RECORD!!!
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Just more reasons why employers shouldn't be involved with health care or coverage.
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Since bitchies get free birth control can men get free dick enlargements?
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Just more reasons why employers shouldn't be involved with health care or coverage.
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Quiet, you. I like my cadillac plan.
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Just more reasons why employers shouldn't be involved with health care or coverage.
Rho
Quiet, you. I like my cadillac plan.
And you're paying for it with a lower-than-market-rate pay wage. Your company is wasting money administering that plan for you and the rest of the employees. Better to just pay you what you're worth and let you buy the plan you want.
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Just more reasons why employers shouldn't be involved with health care or coverage.
Rho
Quiet, you. I like my cadillac plan.
And you're paying for it with a lower-than-market-rate pay wage. Your company is wasting money administering that plan for you and the rest of the employees. Better to just pay you what you're worth and let you buy the plan you want.
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He'd have to pay far more for an individual Cadillac plan than a group would pay.
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I got a Pinto plan
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JD_HOGG posted:
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Quiet, you. I like my cadillac plan.
And you're paying for it with a lower-than-market-rate pay wage. Your company is wasting money administering that plan for you and the rest of the employees. Better to just pay you what you're worth and let you buy the plan you want.
Rho
He'd have to pay far more for an individual Cadillac plan than a group would pay.
Not if everyone were shopping for themselves after companyies stopped having to buy them for their employees. Getting an individual plan now *IS* more expensive but that's because the whole industry has been screwed up by the government.
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[quote=Dark_EternalFF]Quiet, you. I like my cadillac plan.
And you're paying for it with a lower-than-market-rate pay wage. Your company is wasting money administering that plan for you and the rest of the employees. Better to just pay you what you're worth and let you buy the plan you want.
Rho
He'd have to pay far more for an individual Cadillac plan than a group would pay.
Not if everyone were shopping for themselves after companyies stopped having to buy them for their employees. Getting an individual plan now *IS* more expensive but that's because the whole industry has been screwed up by the government.
Rho[/quote]
Hardly. As an individual, you have almost zero negotiating leverage.
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Your leverage would be to shop around to find the least expensive plan, just like it is with any other good or service you buy. The game is so rigged right now it's hard to even imagine it being efficient and cost-effective.
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yeah, if the plan you want that covers your medications is too expensive, find a cheaper one that probably doesn't. are yo noticing how much leverage you have yet? it's like buying apples at the grocery store. exactly like apples.
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ugh dang skanks wanting to get paid to have sex =\ I thought guys were supposed to be the horn dogs, cant those women keep it in their pants too?
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Your leverage would be to shop around to find the least expensive plan, just like it is with any other good or service you buy. The game is so rigged right now it's hard to even imagine it being efficient and cost-effective.
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It's harder to imagine that people actually believe any company would take whatever savings they'd get by not administering health insurance coverage and spending that on higher wages.
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Your leverage would be to shop around to find the least expensive plan, just like it is with any other good or service you buy. The game is so rigged right now it's hard to even imagine it being efficient and cost-effective.
Rho
It's harder to imagine that people actually believe any company would take whatever savings they'd get by not administering health insurance coverage and spending that on higher wages.
Or the smart employers offering to continue paying for health insurance so employees don't have to hassle with it, thus retaining them.
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Once the companies are freed from the mandated administration of health coverage, they would begin to compete for employees from a different cost basis. If an employer didn't include health coverage as a benefit or pay you extra wages to pay for your own, you'd go work for someone else.
Mostly, this frees both employers and employees to find the fairest price and choice for everyone.
Making companies do things almost never works. The costs of the mandates get built in to the system. They're so far built in now that most folks can't even imagine the way jobs and wages would work without them.
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ugh dang skanks wanting to get paid to have sex =\ I thought guys were supposed to be the horn dogs, cant those women keep it in their pants too?
PLEASE tell me you're just trolling and dont actually think that...
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Whatever, there is gonna be a whole new slough of doctors just writing a note that says "for acne *wink* *wink"
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Once the companies are freed from the mandated administration of health coverage, they would begin to compete for employees from a different cost basis. If an employer didn't include health coverage as a benefit or pay you extra wages to pay for your own, you'd go work for someone else.
Mostly, this frees both employers and employees to find the fairest price and choice for everyone.
Making companies do things almost never works. The costs of the mandates get built in to the system. They're so far built in now that most folks can't even imagine the way jobs and wages would work without them.
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That's quite the fantasyland you live in.
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ugh dang skanks wanting to get paid to have sex =\ I thought guys were supposed to be the horn dogs, cant those women keep it in their pants too?
PLEASE tell me you're just trolling and dont actually think that...
yeah yeah I know I know birth control is used to fight a few rare diseases as well....its like when a guy says he reads playboy only for the articles, yeah we really know what you're doing.
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Sgian_Dubh posted:
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Once the companies are freed from the mandated administration of health coverage, they would begin to compete for employees from a different cost basis. If an employer didn't include health coverage as a benefit or pay you extra wages to pay for your own, you'd go work for someone else.
Mostly, this frees both employers and employees to find the fairest price and choice for everyone.
Making companies do things almost never works. The costs of the mandates get built in to the system. They're so far built in now that most folks can't even imagine the way jobs and wages would work without them.
Rho
That's quite the fantasyland you live in.
I'll just lump you in with the "most folks" mentioned above, then.
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NonOffensiveName posted:
_sooz_ posted:
NonOffensiveName posted:
ugh dang skanks wanting to get paid to have sex =\ I thought guys were supposed to be the horn dogs, cant those women keep it in their pants too?
PLEASE tell me you're just trolling and dont actually think that...
yeah yeah I know I know birth control is used to fight a few rare diseases as well....its like when a guy says he reads playboy only for the articles, yeah we really know what you're doing.
No, i wasnt going to say that (plus acne, PMDD, PCOS etc arent rare, but whatever). What i was referring to was the "getting paid to have sex" comment. Im wondering if you really are that stupid, or if you're just acting.
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[quote=Rhodoman]Just more reasons why employers shouldn't be involved with health care or coverage.
Rho
Quiet, you. I like my cadillac plan.
And you're paying for it with a lower-than-market-rate pay wage. Your company is wasting money administering that plan for you and the rest of the employees. Better to just pay you what you're worth and let you buy the plan you want.
Rho
He'd have to pay far more for an individual Cadillac plan than a group would pay. [/quote] Plus he just stated he has the plan he wants. LOL
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Whatever, there is gonna be a whole new slough of doctors just writing a note that says "for acne *wink* *wink"
suddenly the dermatology clinic is flooded with acne patients.
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and how would the non-breeder feel if that bill also cut off AIDS/HIV treatments to all people who can't prove they got it through no fault of their own?
Everyone pretty much gets it from illicit drug use and sex these days, unless it's passed down from mother to child.
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I rather like that so much insanity is coming into being because of government. It will be by the hand of government of its own undoing, I eagerly look forward to that end.
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and how would the non-breeder feel if that bill also cut off AIDS/HIV treatments to all people who can't prove they got it through no fault of their own? Everyone pretty much gets it from illicit drug use and sex these days, unless it's passed down from mother to child.
weeee apples and oranges again...are you really comparing AIDS to getting pregnant? with the way you pro abortionists think about new babies in the womb on second thought you might think they are relatively the same thing 
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and how would the non-breeder feel if that bill also cut off AIDS/HIV treatments to all people who can't prove they got it through no fault of their own? Everyone pretty much gets it from illicit drug use and sex these days, unless it's passed down from mother to child.
weeee apples and oranges again...are you really comparing AIDS to getting pregnant? with the way you pro abortionists think about new babies in the womb on second thought you might think they are relatively the same thing
Birth control helps prevent pregnancies, thus meaning women dont need to get the abortions you find so abhorrent. So you're for birth control being made harder to get, thus INCREASING the number of unplanned pregnancies, thus leading to more abortion. Yeah, you're a special kind of stupid.
And to work off Jezza's point, what if suddenly the government made it harder to get condoms? How would you feel then?
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Jezza_Belle posted:
and how would the non-breeder feel if that bill also cut off AIDS/HIV treatments to all people who can't prove they got it through no fault of their own? Everyone pretty much gets it from illicit drug use and sex these days, unless it's passed down from mother to child.
weeee apples and oranges again...are you really comparing AIDS to getting pregnant? with the way you pro abortionists think about new babies in the womb on second thought you might think they are relatively the same thing
We're talking about denying coverage to medicine, YOU are the one that is constantly talking about how the skanks should close their legs.... well the gays should stop bending over, and the druggies need to stop shooting up. Why should those that don't condone your way of life have to pay to keep you well?
it's the SAME argument, and you're the only one that can't see it.
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Dear Arizona,
I suppose gay marriage is out of the question?
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it depends on how the bill is written. if all they have to do is provide birth control, then all they have to do is issue condoms out to every worker, unless the bill states it is the workers choice on what kind of birth control they want.
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hart_thorin posted:
it depends on how the bill is written. if all they have to do is provide birth control, then all they have to do is issue condoms out to every worker, unless the bill states it is the workers choice on what kind of birth control they want.
Do we seriously need a bill for any of this? Really?
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