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Under certain conditions.
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No. The more unwanted and unloved people we raise, the faster this world will collapse and a new world, potentially better, will rise from the ashes.
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i'm not ok with it
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I would say yes it should totally be up to the parents up to a certain stage then after that they should still retain rights in the case of medical conditions either of the baby or the mother.
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Yes, but then I don't place a large value on human life in general.
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Yes, but then I don't place a large value on human life in general.
Kind of how I see it. Not so much don't put a value on it but believe in personal rights A) lets face it, until the kid can get out and breath on its own its the mother's body and B) put it in perspective (in general) if a person's quality of life is low and they don't want to be here who am I to stop them from leaving?
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I voted yes before I saw the third option.
Switching my vote to #3.
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I wouldn't want my wife to get one, but I don't care if others do it...so long as I don't have to pay for it either.
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you'd rather raise a kid de?
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On demand, and subsidized for poor people so I don't have to pay for their kids.
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you'd rather raise a kid de?
I'd rather take responsibility for my actions. Plus, then I'd get to unleash Satan 3.0 on the world.
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Dark_EternalFF posted:
Caoilin posted:
you'd rather raise a kid de?
I'd rather take responsibility for my actions. Plus, then I'd get to unleash Satan 3.0 on the world.
that's surprising based on the way you post about children. 
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Abortion should be the default and if you want to keep it instead, you provide some gold to DOCTOR Ron Paul. (After proving you're a white Christian of course.)
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Caoilin posted:
Dark_EternalFF posted:
Caoilin posted:
you'd rather raise a kid de?
I'd rather take responsibility for my actions. Plus, then I'd get to unleash Satan 3.0 on the world.
that's surprising based on the way you post about children.
Well, I must admit, my kid would probably spend most of his time with duct tape wrapped around his head...
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Steelwind_Oo posted:
I would say yes it should totally be up to the parents up to a certain stage then after that they should still retain rights in the case of medical conditions either of the baby or the mother.
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under certain conditions...
mainly that it shouldn't be used as a form of birth control (so if the mom are having an abortion every year, she needs to do something else before she relies on abortion)...I hear from my Mom all the time about having patients come in who've just had there fourth or fifth abortion and they're like 30 years old. I'm sorry, but you need to have your tubes tied or whatever if you can't stop it any other way.
I don't have any problems with abortion, just don't want it to be abused just because it's there.
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It isn't exactly an easy procedure to go through one time. I don't understand how people can do it multiple times but I certainly don't judge them for it either. That is their burden to live with, not mine.
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I want to take a moment to thank th op for what is actually the most ignorant thing I have run into today. I am thanking you because not only did I have morons to deal at with work, but also with a few online in other places. I can always count on people on acf to prove there is always someone or something worse out there.
Now to answer the ignorant question. I have yet to actually meet anyone in favor of abortion. The right to have one is different issue
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Should be up to the parents' right to choose, I think. I don't know how I feel about late term abortions though...
It should also be restricted. Girls addicted to abortions, like Ticky, should be denied if it happens to often
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It isn't exactly an easy procedure to go through one time. I don't understand how people can do it multiple times but I certainly don't judge them for it either. That is their burden to live with, not mine.
Yeah it's not like I have some effed up moral fiber that says "you can kill two kids but 3 is just too many". thats just not how I think of it
If they are using their own money to go through that kind of procedure so many times, then I dont care.
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i'm in favor of abortion. completely and 100%. but i am also in favor of the human race going extinct.
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i'm in favor of abortion. completely and 100%. but i am also in favor of the human race going extinct.
Ha! That was my line for most of my life. Now I think endangered would be acceptable. As vile as humans can be, there are some aspects/qualities/ideas that would be shameful to lose forever.
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Dark_EternalFF posted:
Caoilin posted:
that's surprising based on the way you post about children.
Well, I must admit, my kid would probably spend most of his time with duct tape wrapped around his head...
Like father, like son? 
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First trimester RX abortions should be $20 copay
I'm ok with abortions up until there is a heartbeat, and farther if medically necessary up to 25 weeks, where the baby should be delivered only if necessary.
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Silly question.
Should have been "In favor of abortion being legal" or something.
No one is in favor of abortion.
anyway, semantics aside....yes.
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I'm for abortion in 100% of pregnancies.
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under certain conditions...
mainly that it shouldn't be used as a form of birth control (so if the mom are having an abortion every year, she needs to do something else before she relies on abortion)...I hear from my Mom all the time about having patients come in who've just had there fourth or fifth abortion and they're like 30 years old. I'm sorry, but you need to have your tubes tied or whatever if you can't stop it any other way.
I don't have any problems with abortion, just don't want it to be abused just because it's there.
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I would go farther and say that in select cases, you should even be able to euthanize a newborn in the first week of life (I'm talking serious medical conditions that are incompatible with life or that would require lifelong institutionalization).
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Why isn't indifferent a choice?
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not in favor of abortion. I AM in favor of killing your ass if you are found to be a douchebag after you get to live for a bit
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Why isn't indifferent a choice?
I do not imagine that would be a choice on a ballot.
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I predict this thread being locked by the end of the day.
Don't count on it.
We've done this routine quite a few times.
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_Alexandra_ posted:
I predict this thread being locked by the end of the day.
Don't count on it.
We've done this routine quite a few times.
This, plus certain more "flammable" posters no longer post here.
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Its going to become a mandated necessity, if the world doesn't do something to curb the exponential population explosion.
Thats easy, anyone who gets an abortion should get a free vasectomy/sterilization while theyre at it. Lethal injection would be too easy/painless for them.
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Its going to become a mandated necessity, if the world doesn't do something to curb the exponential population explosion.
Thats easy, anyone who gets an abortion should get a free vasectomy/sterilization while theyre at it. Lethal injection would be too easy/painless for them.
I see a child limit being put in place like the Chinese do now.
If the current rate of population continues by 2050 the world will have a population of 10 billion.
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I would like some one to pay for my vasectomy reversal. I want another kid but it cost 5 grand to get the reversal done. and it was only 700 do get the vasectomy in the first place. can we get a health bill for that?
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I'm generally not in favor of abortion, except in certain circumstances. Yes my religious beliefs do have something to do with it.
That being said- I think it does more harm than good to outlaw abortions or to place such extreme restrictions on them that it makes them all but impossible to get. There was a story about a woman in one state a few years ago whose baby was growing inside her- and it had no brain. But because of all the restrictions in the state she couldn't find a hospital or clinic to perform an abortion on a baby who would die within minutes of being born. There are always going to be legitimate and valid exceptions where abortions should happen, even if you are a pro-lifer, and there is no possible way for us to think of all such exceptions.
Bogging the process down with a lot of red tape and extra cost doesn't help anyone either. How many women who go in for abortions change their mind after hearing a heartbeat or getting an ultrasound?
I don't mind requiring clinics to run through alternate options (such as adoption, how it would work, what it would entail, etc). with a woman before performing an abortion, but that's about it.
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Adoptions is great but on average there is 500,000 children in various foster homes and agencies. Some of these children like the special needs children will always be wards of the system.
There are to many children in the system already, we dont need to add more.
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Unless the life if the mother in danger or the act of conception was not consensual ( ie rape ) any abortions performed should result in The doctor charged with murder and the mother as an accomplice
you want to pay more taxes to support these welfare babies.
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Up to a certain point. About 6-8 weeks.
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Unless the life if the mother in danger or the act of conception was not consensual ( ie rape ) any abortions performed should result in The doctor charged with murder and the mother as an accomplice
you want to pay more taxes to support these welfare babies.
Abolish welfare, problem solved. Welfare in unconstituional
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Sith_Mauler posted:
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Unless the life if the mother in danger or the act of conception was not consensual ( ie rape ) any abortions performed should result in The doctor charged with murder and the mother as an accomplice
you want to pay more taxes to support these welfare babies.
Abolish welfare, problem solved. Welfare in unconstituional
so i guess this is ok for you?
you know I would wish that upon your family but I cant because no kids should never have to experience something like that.
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Brother_Tempus posted:
Unless the life if the mother in danger or the act of conception was not consensual ( ie rape ) any abortions performed should result in The doctor charged with murder and the mother as an accomplice
you want to pay more taxes to support these welfare babies.
Military orphanages and send the world the bill for all the "police" work we do. They can pay in cash or national resources.
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Brother_Tempus posted:
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[quote=Brother_Tempus]Unless the life if the mother in danger or the act of conception was not consensual ( ie rape ) any abortions performed should result in The doctor charged with murder and the mother as an accomplice
you want to pay more taxes to support these welfare babies.
Abolish welfare, problem solved. Welfare in unconstituional
so i guess this is ok for you?
you know I would wish that upon your family but I cant because no kids should never have to experience something like that.[/quote]
It's OK with me. The harsh reality is that we empower this behavior.
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Adoptions is great but on average there is 500,000 children in various foster homes and agencies. Some of these children like the special needs children will always be wards of the system.
There are to many children in the system already, we dont need to add more.
I am also in favor of streamlining the adoption process and making it MUCH less expensive. The cost alone is prohibitive for many people who would otherwise love to adopt.
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Brother_Tempus posted:
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[quote=Brother_Tempus]Unless the life if the mother in danger or the act of conception was not consensual ( ie rape ) any abortions performed should result in The doctor charged with murder and the mother as an accomplice
you want to pay more taxes to support these welfare babies.
Abolish welfare, problem solved. Welfare in unconstituional
so i guess this is ok for you?
you know I would wish that upon your family but I cant because no kids should never have to experience something like that.[/quote]
poor people shouldn't be allowed to breed. and if they do, charge them with child abuse.
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Only if my local Republican representatives who took away the mother's birth control can show up at the hospital and make her feel worse about her decision by tattooing the ultrasound to her forehead.
Vote Republican 2012, put oppressive religion before women's rights, cause unwanted pregnancies then fight against abortion. Yes we can.
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Sith_Mauler posted:
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[quote=Sith_Mauler][quote=Brother_Tempus]Unless the life if the mother in danger or the act of conception was not consensual ( ie rape ) any abortions performed should result in The doctor charged with murder and the mother as an accomplice
you want to pay more taxes to support these welfare babies.
Abolish welfare, problem solved. Welfare in unconstituional
so i guess this is ok for you?
you know I would wish that upon your family but I cant because no kids should never have to experience something like that.[/quote]
poor people shouldn't be allowed to breed. and if they do, charge them with child abuse.
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Absolutely for abortion.
I don't want to be the one paying for it, however.
Those people who get multiple abortions should be required to tube tie.
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In cases of rape and mothers life in danger. yes. but dont restrict birth control. People are going to f***. dont make it so they cant help prevent pregnancy. also i agree with who ever said streamline and reduce the cost of adoption i would adopt a couple of kids if it didnt take 3 small fortunes and an act of god to get through the red tape bullsh**.
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High minded vs. reality.
People who can't properly care for kids are going to have sex and some will get pregnant. IT WILL HAPPEN.
I'd rather give them an out (ie. abortion) than condemn them, and more specifically the child, because of my morals. Let them live with the fact they ended their babies life. My conscience is clean.
Now if it's my child, I'm sort of with DE. Despite the fact that I'm pro choice/option and I don't really want kids...I don't think I'd be cool with ending my childs life no matter how it inconvenienced me, my lifestyle, or my plans.
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Under no circumstances. You got pregnant, that's your bad. Even if it kills you. Too bad. Live with your choice to get pregnant, no matter how short your life may be as a result.
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High minded vs. reality.
People who can't properly care for kids are going to have sex and some will get pregnant. IT WILL HAPPEN.
I'd rather give them an out (ie. abortion) than condemn them, and more specifically the child, because of my morals. Let them live with the fact they ended their babies life. My conscience is clean.
Now if it's my child, I'm sort of with DE. Despite the fact that I'm pro choice/option and I don't really want kids...I don't think I'd be cool with ending my childs life no matter how it inconvenienced me, my lifestyle, or my plans.
A few more ACF riots under your belt, you will change that view.
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Under no circumstances. You got pregnant, that's your bad. Even if it kills you. Too bad. Live with your choice to get pregnant, no matter how short your life may be as a result.
in the case of rape the women never got to make a choice it was forced upon her why should she be forced to deal with something an animal forced upon her.
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that's surprising based on the way you post about children.
Well, I must admit, my kid would probably spend most of his time with duct tape wrapped around his head...
Like father, like son?
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Absolutely for abortion.
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Those people who get multiple abortions should be required to tube tie.
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Under no circumstances. You got pregnant, that's your bad. Even if it kills you. Too bad. Live with your choice to get pregnant, no matter how short your life may be as a result.
in the case of rape the women never got to make a choice it was forced upon her why should she be forced to deal with something an animal forced upon her.
That's her problem. She should have been on the pill.
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Under no circumstances. You got pregnant, that's your bad. Even if it kills you. Too bad. Live with your choice to get pregnant, no matter how short your life may be as a result.
in the case of rape the women never got to make a choice it was forced upon her why should she be forced to deal with something an animal forced upon her.
That's her problem. She should have been on the pill.
just on the off chance she got raped? right.
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You know JD, the pill is only one form of birth control. Some forms you only use when you expect action.
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Every woman should carry pills around in her rape kit.
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Ahhh trolling, got it. LOL
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Ahhh trolling, got it. LOL
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Why isn't indifferent a choice?
I do not imagine that would be a choice on a ballot.
I do not imagine your poll phrasing being on a ballot either. Indifference would be on any ballot btw. It would be lack of placing a vote on something you have no feeling for or against
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Under no circumstances. You got pregnant, that's your bad. Even if it kills you. Too bad. Live with your choice to get pregnant, no matter how short your life may be as a result.
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Indifference would be on any ballot btw. It would be lack of placing a vote on something you have no feeling for or against
I agree completely. So you admit then that I do have it as an option? Because you can do the same thing here.
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Indifference would be on any ballot btw. It would be lack of placing a vote on something you have no feeling for or against
I agree completely. So you admit then that I do have it as an option? Because you can do the same thing here.
Oh of course....I just wanted to talk about my indifference. I'm not indifferent to wanting people to know how indifferent I am.
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In favor of abortion?
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Kordirn posted:
I'm a huge fan. I've been the cause for at least 4 of them.
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I'd feel bad for Satriani but he got himself into it. - allmightybob_MLF
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