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ROFL.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/dannywestneat/2017741539_danny14.html

Plus, there's how he quit. Had he done it a week sooner, there would have been a special election to get someone to serve out his term.

Tactically, though, Democrats were worried they might lose (because they have so many candidates). So, the 1st Congressional District now won't be represented by anyone until Jan. 3, 2013.

 

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Lame.

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They're unapologetic power hungry assclowns. They should all be forced on a single island with Bill Maher and Barney Frank.

 

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Who cares? All that matters is getting congress back from the republicans, or any chair a republican is sitting in for that matter! Whatever it takes.

 

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Z-Elder posted:
Whatever it takes.
Yep. That is the shared sentiment. Some retarded political assclown in Arizona agrees with you.

 

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Whatever it takes.
laugh That is awesome!

 

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He is a massive douchebag. I hope he doesnt become governor

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talk_hand After Afghanistan and Iraq I wouldn't vote for any Repugnant again in this life. Period. I do not care if they are running against a dead guy. I do not even read the Bios of the Dems any more. The Repugnants are dead to me.

 

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talk_hand After Afghanistan and Iraq I wouldn't vote for any Repugnant again in this life. Period. I do not care if they are running against a dead guy. I do not even read the Bios of the Dems any more. The Repugnants are dead to me.
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talk_hand After Afghanistan and Iraq I wouldn't vote for any Repugnant again in this life. Period. I do not care if they are running against a dead guy. I do not even read the Bios of the Dems any more. The Repugnants are dead to me.



I'm not a democrat or even that far to the left....my political affiliation could be best described as Anti-Republican and that includes the republican side shows libertarians and tea-baggers.

 

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Party before country! flag

 

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Party before country! flag


What Elder clearly said was ANYONE before a Republican so he's not voting with the dems as much as against you people..


which after the last 8 years of Republican rule is pretty damn understandable.

 

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talk_hand After Afghanistan and Iraq I wouldn't vote for any Repugnant again in this life. Period. I do not care if they are running against a dead guy. I do not even read the Bios of the Dems any more. The Repugnants are dead to me.


Just curious does this stance cover the democrats the voted for it and supported it till public opinion turned and then they cried foul?

Edit: if it doesnt your a fool.

 

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Party before country! flag

 

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Representatives are supposed to do whats best for the country and for their areas. Given the GOP track record its understandable that someone could interpret those goals as an order to keep Republicans out of the power.

The same goes if the situation was reversed. If a GOP congressman really feels a Democrat is bad for the country, he has a duty to keep that Dem from getting into office.

This action was within the law, and Congressmen do not have a moral duty to do what is best for the opposing party. If this guy thought the best thing for his citizens and the country would be for a GOP Rep to represent them, he would probably be in the GOP. Even if it makes some of you guys cry and whine, the thought that congressmen have a duty to do what they feel is bad for the country is kind of absurd.

 

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THIS argument, right here above from redkay, is something I am going to frame as the reason we need massive reform that opens up elections for 3rd and even 4th parties.

IF THE ESTABLISHMENT IS SO PARTISAN AND BI-POLAR NOW THAT THE ACCEPTABLE ANSWER TO RATIONALIZE IS THAT IF ONE OF TWO PARTIES CANNOT REPRESENT US, WE SHOULD HAVE NO REPRESENTATION, THE SYSTEM IS COMPLETELY BROKEN AND MUST BE CHANGED.

Even I stand of the opinion that you should *never* subvert the process so that people are left without elected representation for more than 3 or so months. I don't care what numbnut gets put in... SOMEONE is qualified and ready to do the job. Just because that someone doesn't have an (R) or a (D) behind their names turns our entire nation's political system from a subtle farce into an obvious farce.

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Party before country! flag



And without a hint of irony

"Our top political priority over the next two years should be to deny Obama a second term."



Kindly take your hypocritical whining to the STFU room kthanks

 

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talk_hand After Afghanistan and Iraq I wouldn't vote for any Repugnant again in this life. Period. I do not care if they are running against a dead guy. I do not even read the Bios of the Dems any more. The Repugnants are dead to me.


What a weird view. I guess all the servicemen at home since obama took office thank you.

 

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THE SYSTEM IS COMPLETELY BROKEN AND MUST BE CHANGED.



Not sure about the rest of your post but I agree with this part.

I must, however, insist that consistency be observed by the whiners on both sides of the aisle.

Remember during the Bush years when the dems were being obstructionist and not letting Bush's judicial and department head nominees come to the floor for a vote in the Senate? (I'm sure you do..."up-or-down vote" practically became a catch phrase.) I thought that was ridiculous...every bit as ridiculous as it is now that Republicans in the Senate won't let Obama's judicial and department-head nominees come to the floor for a vote, even with a Dem majority in the Senate.

You are right, the system IS broken and it MUST be changed, but to pretend that only one side plays these silly games is the height of hypocrisy and really dumb.

 

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You are right, the system IS broken and it MUST be changed, but to pretend that only one side plays these silly games is the height of hypocrisy and really dumb.


Yup.

They do.

And it's ridiculous.

Not seating judges, etc for political reasons is just out of hand.

 

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I dunno Ash, Voodoo told me a two side doing the same thing is a fantasy. It'll be interesting to see if he calls you out on it also.

But if I am laying odds he'll say I am misquoting him and he'll rage and call me one of his special names. Just guessing... mischief

 

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Ashmaele posted:
Abaddon_Ambrosius posted:
THE SYSTEM IS COMPLETELY BROKEN AND MUST BE CHANGED.



Not sure about the rest of your post but I agree with this part.

I must, however, insist that consistency be observed by the whiners on both sides of the aisle.

Remember during the Bush years when the dems were being obstructionist and not letting Bush's judicial and department head nominees come to the floor for a vote in the Senate? (I'm sure you do..."up-or-down vote" practically became a catch phrase.) I thought that was ridiculous...every bit as ridiculous as it is now that Republicans in the Senate won't let Obama's judicial and department-head nominees come to the floor for a vote, even with a Dem majority in the Senate.

You are right, the system IS broken and it MUST be changed, but to pretend that only one side plays these silly games is the height of hypocrisy and really dumb.


Ash, I don't see anyone here saying only one side does it. It's always lame to put party ahead of country, but our political system is designed to pit two opposing sides against each other to come to a middle ground. Sometimes that gets obfuscated. In this case, denying a group of citizens their right to representation is just extremely lame.

 

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Ash, I don't see anyone here saying only one side does it. It's always lame to put party ahead of country, but our political system is designed to pit two opposing sides against each other...


Actually it isn't. Several founding fathers wrote missives about the dangers of strong/dominating political parties in our system. And since they DESIGNED the system, they should know.

 

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Abaddon_Ambrosius posted:
Vydor posted:

Ash, I don't see anyone here saying only one side does it. It's always lame to put party ahead of country, but our political system is designed to pit two opposing sides against each other...


Actually it isn't. Several founding fathers wrote missives about the dangers of strong/dominating political parties in our system. And since they DESIGNED the system, they should know.


-nods-

The essence is sides competing against each other in order to protect against the tyranny of the majority. Which leads to parties deliberately working against each other....that is how it's designed. No political party is in business to enhance the power of the other side. But that doesn't mean it's anything goes...and in this case, the actions are outside the norm.

 

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Abaddon_Ambrosius posted:
THIS argument, right here above from redkay, is something I am going to frame as the reason we need massive reform that opens up elections for 3rd and even 4th parties.

IF THE ESTABLISHMENT IS SO PARTISAN AND BI-POLAR NOW THAT THE ACCEPTABLE ANSWER TO RATIONALIZE IS THAT IF ONE OF TWO PARTIES CANNOT REPRESENT US, WE SHOULD HAVE NO REPRESENTATION, THE SYSTEM IS COMPLETELY BROKEN AND MUST BE CHANGED.



But your reform doesnt really make a change. This guy works the game so that his seat is empty and a GOP cant get it. This guy would still work the game to keep his seat empty and deny a GOP, a party C and a party D.

It has nothing to do with parties really. Fewer parties, more parties, no parties....the incentive remains the same on this one.

The harm that I see parties creating is that they can introduce incentives for congressmen to not do what they think is best for the country and their constituents because they will move up the ranks of the party if they do something else.

If a congressman is doing something that he feels is in the best interests of the country and his action is legal....then its probably the correct moral choice. Trying to change the rules to make it harder for congressman to make legal choices that are in the best interest of the country is really a dumb idea in the long run.

I know its popular to bash parties all the time...but this one doesnt make sense. This guy is doing what he thinks is best for the country in denying a spot to the GOP. Just because you dont agree that denying a GOP'er a spot is in the best interests of the country doesnt make it a questionable choice.

 

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