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Who will pay for the drug test?
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Who will pay for the drug test?
This is the ultimate issue. People live in should land, and ignore reality. At the end of the day it comes down to is it cost effective or not.
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I said 'No' only because it's already been determined that such a practice only warrents about 3% denial.
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Seems kind of ridiculous to push people into unemployment by waging a billion dollar war on drugs and then lose money drug testing the unemployed...
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Yes we should make them jump through all types of hoops and treat them like criminals who are on parole for losing their job in the worst economic downturn since the great depression. Awesome idea.
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No. It's already been shown to be waaaaaaay too cost ineffective for welfare programs. Plus if they're collecting unemployment, it means they were actually employed, as in they earned the right to those benefits. There are enough hoops to jump through already.
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I wish they would give up trying to drug test everybody for everything.
I guess none of these lawmakers have bothered to call their state human resource department to find out how much it cost to run a drug test program that can with stand a legal challenge.
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The way I see it is that there are a significant number of employers that do drug testing as part of their pre-employment screening and people receiving Unemployment Compensation are living off tax dollars paid by those companies as a cost of having employees. The least the people receiving those benefits could do is ensure that they won't be disqualified from taking a job because they can't pass a drug test.
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Other : There should not be jobless benefits, all that does is subsidize more unemployment which is funded by theft from those who work
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I guess if we can't afford to pay jobless benefits, it comes down to a question of "who should be kicked off unemployment payments first?" Should it be drug abusers? Why not alcoholics? There are more of those. We could really save a lot of money.
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Yep i think the cost offset would balance out if you were denied benefits due to a positive test. i have to test drug free for work they should have to be drug free to suckle at the go'bment teet.
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Only if those who are passing the legislation have to pass the same test.
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absolutely, i also think after a certain point, to get further jobless benefits, we should put those people to work part time on public works projects, to be able to keep collecting.
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If I have to pass a drug test to have a good job I would like all recipients of my effort to be just as clean as I am.
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Get rid of jobless benefits. Use the same money to hire them to do work. Even if it's just picking up trash, you might as well get something out of them.
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I would much rather have them spend one day a week picking up trash, digging ditches, maintain public facilities, or in some other way make their community a better place to live. They would still have four weekdays to look for a job, plus they would have incentive to look for one.
If they're doing something useful, I don't really care if they take drugs. The same goes for other jobs as long as it doesn't affect my safety (airplane pilots, heavy machine operators, etc...)
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Get rid of jobless benefits. Use the same money to hire them to do work. Even if it's just picking up trash, you might as well get something out of them.
WHAT????? You want them to work for a living??? That's unpossible. (not everyone just the people that perpetually live on welfare and the government/ my money)
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Get rid of jobless benefits. Use the same money to hire them to do work. Even if it's just picking up trash, you might as well get something out of them.
WHAT????? You want them to work for a living??? That's unpossible. (not everyone just the people that perpetually live on welfare and the government/ my money)
I think it would be more unpossible for the well off people receiving extended unemployment and keeping their nice homes on the tax payer's dime, but when their homes go under we'll see what they'll do for the check.
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GOVERNMENT THUGS ARE STEALING MY MONEY!
Am I doing it right B_T?
Just give it up. You never make any points, just spam and immature mocking. BT expresses his thoughts in ways you've proven incapable.
Isn't there somewhere you can fight-flirt with PKhere or ramble about useless meta-drama instead of ruining good topics with petty insult?
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im for it, but against the cost ;p
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No. It's already been shown to be waaaaaaay too cost ineffective for welfare programs. Plus if they're collecting unemployment, it means they were actually employed, as in they earned the right to those benefits. There are enough hoops to jump through already.
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No, most drug users will quit while looking for work anyway, and people getting unemployment in the first place are not the issue. The issue is people staying on it for years and then saying they need another year to find anything.
Cut down length of benefits available if you want to cut costs. No reason to institute a moneysink and add a new hoop for people that are already down on their luck to jump through.
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Not until applied to corporate welfare recipients.
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Jezza_Belle posted:
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No. It's already been shown to be waaaaaaay too cost ineffective for welfare programs. Plus if they're collecting unemployment, it means they were actually employed, as in they earned the right to those benefits. There are enough hoops to jump through already.
Florida only 4% failed and that is being generous.
so yeah they wasted millions to save a few thousand bucks 
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They just need to get the testing cheaper.
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They just need to get the testing cheaper.
Yes, why hasn't the free market solved this problem yet for the government?
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They just need to get the testing cheaper.
some states thought they could use those $20 testing kits that you can get any drug store.
until they found out the test has to be able to withstand a court challenge.
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Only if those who are passing the legislature have to pass the same test.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/12/us-oklahoma-drugtest-idUSBRE82B1C020120312
Oklahoma legislators voted to subject themselves and politicians throughout the state to the same drug test they will require of poor people receiving public assistance.
The bill passed the Oklahoma House 82-6 on Monday and will now go to the state Senate.
The bill requires applicants to the state's Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program to pass a drug screen to receive benefits. An amendment to the bill brought Oklahoma politicians into the same drug-testing regimen.
Similar bills requiring drug testing for welfare recipients have passed the Utah Legislature and the state Senate in Georgia this year, but legislation in Florida and Michigan has been stymied so far in the courts on constitutional grounds, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.
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