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I have never been to a democratic caucus or primary and have never had a positionin the democratic party.
But I have held positions in the republican party and even though I continue to be involved in the republican party I will tell you straight up, the republican party is extremely corrupt and commits extreme voter fraud during the primaries. So if you ever have a republican talk to you about voter fraud make sure to tell them to their face that their party commits extreme voter fraud during every primary.
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I predict this knowledge will only increase the desire of Republicans to stamp out voter fraud.
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To tell you the truth I have had active republicans rant to me about voter fraud yet when their local party commits voter fraud during the primaries they just turn their cheek. For them it is just a way to keep brown people from voting, I kid you not.
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They both commit massive fraud. One way of helping reduce voter fraud would be having to show an ID when you vote, but apparently democrats block that because they think minorities are too f'ing stupid to know how to get one, or too f'ing poor to be able to afford one, or too f'ing retarded in general.
Ironically, democrats call these laws racist. 
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In CO if you show up to the polls with a voter registration card then you don't need to show ID. Otherwise you have to show ID. We use electronic voting machines that ensure registered voters can only vote once. If there is a discrepency then the voter has to fill out a provisional ballot that has to approved by an election judge panel.
Election fraud during the primaries has nothing to do with ID's. It has to do with breaking robert's rules of order and outright defrauding of delegates. Unfortunately the courts have ruled that the republican party is a private organization and is not subject to voting laws or voter fraud.
Yes SkinnyRumCakes, the real intention of these people pushing the ID law is racism. I wish I didn't have to admit that or generalize them but I think that racism has been so embedded in them that they don't even notice.
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/link /proof stfu
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/link /proof stfu
I've been saying the same thing about evidence that voter fraud that can be prevented by IDs for months. So far, nothing, nada, nil, zip, etc.
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/link /proof stfu
You want me to provide a link to personal experience?
http://vnboards.ign.com/outpost/b22180/116287631/p1/?6
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I've been saying the same thing about evidence that voter fraud that can be prevented by IDs for months. So far, nothing, nada, nil, zip, etc.
Actually I described how it could occur and you acknowledged it. Took me 30 seconds of thinking to come up with the idea.
You said it didn't count though because it wasn't large scale or centrally organized.
I said so what. It's still fraud and could be prevented if IDs were required.
Now how about you provide proof that brown people can't get IDs as easily as white people.
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I've been saying the same thing about evidence that voter fraud that can be prevented by IDs for months. So far, nothing, nada, nil, zip, etc.
Actually I described how it could occur and you acknowledged it. Took me 30 seconds of thinking to come up with the idea.
You said it didn't count though because it wasn't large scale or centrally organized.
I said so what. It's still fraud and could be prevented if IDs were required.
Now how about you provide proof that brown people can't get IDs as easily as white people.
See what I am saying folks. These so call "conservatives" rant about voter fraud but turn the other cheek when the republican party commits fraud during the primary process.
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If you think you just proved that, then I think we learned something about you in this thread.
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They both commit massive fraud.
Completely false. Completely.
Any fraud that does happen invariably involves absentee ballots, which would not be curbed in the slightest by requiring ID at the polls.
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If you witnessed it and did nothing about it you are part of the problem.
Again
Proof or STFU
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The whole party system is corrupt. Its a broken machine.
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It's funny how no one can ever explain why it's harder for brown people to get IDs than white people.
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If you witnessed it and did nothing about it you are part of the problem.
Again
Proof or STFU
When I was a delegate in Las Vegas we did take it to court. The judge ruled that the republican party is a private organization and not subject to voter fraud rules. The judge was actually a party member and said that he did see that fraud was committed but he hoped that the republican party can resolve the issues before the general election so that McCain wouldn't lose. lol.
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So what was the fraud?
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So what was the fraud?
During the last primary for the general election we had the majority of delegates for Ron Paul at the NV convention in Reno. When the leadership (Sue Lowden, Bob Beers and a few others) saw that Ron Paul was going to have the majority of delegates to the national convention they literally stopped the convention, turned off the lights and had the police escort the leadership out of the convention. They then appointed different delegates that supported McCain behind closed doors. They broke every rule in the book.
A question to you, have you ever even been involved in the GOP party. The corruption is extremely blatant so I am wondering why you either haven't noticed or if you just have never even been involved in anything besides Camelot Outpost chatter on politics.
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As a conservative, I can tell you ... if you stomp out government, you will stomp out voter fraud
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paulg_68 posted:
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I've been saying the same thing about evidence that voter fraud that can be prevented by IDs for months. So far, nothing, nada, nil, zip, etc.
Actually I described how it could occur and you acknowledged it. Took me 30 seconds of thinking to come up with the idea.
You said it didn't count though because it wasn't large scale or centrally organized.
I said so what. It's still fraud and could be prevented if IDs were required.
Now how about you provide proof that brown people can't get IDs as easily as white people.
Coulda, shoulda, woulda. As a Bills fan, every year I figure out ways that the Bills can win the Super Bowl.
It doesn't happen. Just as voter fraud that can be prevented by IDs isn't happening.
When Oregon went to all mail voting, dozens of right wingers came up with all sorts of ways that fraudulent voting would occur. Some of them were even vaguely plausible. None of them have happened.
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Desnoxvu posted:
armoredgimp posted:
/link /proof stfu
You want me to provide a link to personal experience?
http://vnboards.ign.com/outpost/b22180/116287631/p1/?6
Right, because some random dweeb on a gaming message board said it! So it must be so!
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So what was the fraud?
During the last primary for the general election we had the majority of delegates for Ron Paul at the NV convention in Reno. When the leadership (Sue Lowden, Bob Beers and a few others) saw that Ron Paul was going to have the majority of delegates to the national convention they literally stopped the convention, turned off the lights and had the police escort the leadership out of the convention. They then appointed different delegates that supported McCain behind closed doors. They broke every rule in the book.
A question to you, have you ever even been involved in the GOP party. The corruption is extremely blatant so I am wondering why you either haven't noticed or if you just have never even been involved in anything besides Camelot Outpost chatter on politics.
I'm a Libertarian and I have very little respect for either major party.
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Coulda, shoulda, woulda. As a Bills fan, every year I figure out ways that the Bills can win the Super Bowl.
It doesn't happen. Just as voter fraud that can be prevented by IDs isn't happening.
When Oregon went to all mail voting, dozens of right wingers came up with all sorts of ways that fraudulent voting would occur. Some of them were even vaguely plausible. None of them have happened.
It's weird how hard it is to prove fraud is occurring when we don't check for it.
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Coulda, shoulda, woulda. As a Bills fan, every year I figure out ways that the Bills can win the Super Bowl.
It doesn't happen. Just as voter fraud that can be prevented by IDs isn't happening.
When Oregon went to all mail voting, dozens of right wingers came up with all sorts of ways that fraudulent voting would occur. Some of them were even vaguely plausible. None of them have happened.
It's weird how hard it is to prove fraud is occurring when we don't check for it.
The Bush Administration spent 8 years and tons of man hours and money trying to find some. They fired Federal Attorneys-General who refused to prosecute nonsense cases.
They found virtually nothing.
It's a solution for a problem that doesn't exist.
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The Bush Administration spent 8 years and tons of man hours and money trying to find some. They fired Federal Attorneys-General who refused to prosecute nonsense cases.
They found virtually nothing.
It's a solution for a problem that doesn't exist.
I agree there's more fraud now that Obama is in charge.
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What would prevent people from committing fraud to get a voters ID? What form of ID can't be fraudulently acquired? All you idiots want to do is create another barrier to voting. Until you show me a form of ID that can't be faked this argument is pointless.It is Ironic the the right wants bigger government and more regulation that will provide no benefit to the tax payer at all...
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