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Depends where the alternative is.
I will pay double for local vegges compared to vegges from China. But I guess a large part of that is because of the quality/health difference.
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I agree that it depends. On a lot of factors. Closed union shop from a good US company I'd pay 20 percent more without blinking. And depending I might pay lots more than that.
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paulg_68 posted:
How much of a premium would you pay for products produced in the US, Assume they are otherwise equal in quality and features.
 So you mean produced in America by illegals
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Nothing. Assuming everything is equal in quality and whatnot, paying more for it would be an artificial construct and further destroy the free market.
Now, if it's a higher quality product, well then, that's a different story.
There are some things that I don't need a higher quality product.
I don't need a higher quality coat hanger or plastic trash can or higher quality vegetable peeler (higher than what I consider a baseline anyway).
However, there are things with a definite quality curve that matters. Cars, fine musical instruments (guitars), guns, sporting/camping/outdoor/hunting equipment, etc.
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Nothing. Assuming everything is equal in quality and whatnot, paying more for it would be an artificial construct and further destroy the free market.
Now, if it's a higher quality product, well then, that's a different story.
silly that you believe there is a free market in play here.
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Thinking about it some more I wouldn't pay any more simply because it was made in America. There are a lot of reasons I would be willing to pay more but that isn't one of them. For instance if I was living in El Paso I would defintely rather buy local produce from 2 miles on the other side of the border than from monsanto grown at some mass agbribusiness facility thousands of miles away.
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Made in the USA is worth about 25% to me.
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Nothing. Assuming everything is equal in quality and whatnot, paying more for it would be an artificial construct and further destroy the free market.
Now, if it's a higher quality product, well then, that's a different story.
silly that you believe there is a free market in play here.
LOL fair point! 
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Made in the USA is worth about 25% to me.
Agreed, and I have actively purchased this way for a couple decades, especially if its made regionally, midwest/great lakes.
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I would pay more for a US product. Not sure how much more, but buying American seems better for the country than not.
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Thinking about it some more I wouldn't pay any more simply because it was made in America. There are a lot of reasons I would be willing to pay more but that isn't one of them. For instance if I was living in El Paso I would defintely rather buy local produce from 2 miles on the other side of the border than from monsanto grown at some mass agbribusiness facility thousands of miles away.
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I like buying foreign made products because it hurts unions.
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I think a better question would be how much would companies in other countries pay for the privilege of doing business here.
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How much of a premium would you pay for WELL MADE products produced in the US
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I would pay more for higher quality products, no matter where it came from. Would try to support the US, but if its something Union driven, they can go to hell for driving up the prices in the first place.
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How much do you get paid? If they paid you half as much, they could sell their product more cheaply.
You are part of the problem! You should go to your boss and ask for your pay to be cut 50%.
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If I even considered paying 10%+ more for a product made in the US, I'd just take that amount and buy a better product made in another country.
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Around 0%. Made in the USA is a nice tiebreaker I suppose.
Hammerhand21 posted:
Would try to support the US, but if its something Union driven, they can go to hell for driving up the prices in the first place.
this is an odd thought. Why would you try to support the US? Its confusing b/c you want to support the US but not US workers. 
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I'd pay a 5% premium for well-made US products... assuming as the case describes that they are otherwise about equal in feature, function, durability, etc.
TBH, I know however that most products I buy are not really manufactured/assembled in America, anyway. Anyone see that special they did on I think the Today show a few years ago?
They set out to equip a kitchen and living room with ONLY products made, assembled, etc 100% in the USA.
There were quite a few they had to give up on. And, there were a majority of them that cost DOUBLE OR MORE what they really should have for the quality/features.
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The whole question of wages driving up prices is really a false argument.
GREED bears more of the responsibility for rising prices than labor costs - greed that says during hard times a profit margin of 120% must be maintained so if material costs go up because something gets scarce or if taxes go up because all of the profits made last year went into gaming the fcuk out of the housing market and putting half of the American labor force out of work, then it would seem natural that the profit margin might need to be adjusted down a bit. Yes, you won't make 120% profit, maybe only 100% or 80%... still MORE than enough to be fiscally "safe" from corporate raiding, and to have enough capital to remain flexible and strong in the market... but NO..that's not how it works!! Wages get slashed so that profits stay intact or even rise... and people fighting for a livable wage in the light of all these products whose price continues to go up while wages everywhere go down are vilified while the executive management and the shareholders are giggling all the way to the Caymans on their private planes to hide their billions.
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Around 0%. Made in the USA is a nice tiebreaker I suppose.
Hammerhand21 posted:
Would try to support the US, but if its something Union driven, they can go to hell for driving up the prices in the first place.
this is an odd thought. Why would you try to support the US? Its confusing b/c you want to support the US but not US workers.
I try to support small businesses. I should have clarified.
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But not if the workers negotiate with management as one unit?
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I don't like or support unions, why is that hard to understand? I partially blame them for why our economy is in the shitter.
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Private unions are much weaker than they were during the period when our economy wasn't shit. 
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Nothing. Assuming everything is equal in quality and whatnot, paying more for it would be an artificial construct and further destroy the free market.
Now, if it's a higher quality product, well then, that's a different story.
Hey, don't worry about standard of living.......
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I like buying foreign made products because it hurts unions.
yeah.... the Union of States 
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I like buying foreign made products because I'm an asshole.
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I don't like or support unions, why is that hard to understand? I partially blame them for why our economy is in the shitter.
Hammer I agree, but you are in hardcore lefty territory here, and most cannot understand the difference between unions and workers.
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if the quality isn't better, then nothing.
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I don't like or support unions, why is that hard to understand? I partially blame them for why our economy is in the shitter.
Hammer I agree, but you are in hardcore lefty territory here, and most cannot understand the difference between skilled union workers and low paid non-skilled workers.
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All trolling aside, I buy US made. Even my running shoes are made here.
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no need to pay a premium, just drop the illegal minimum wage and you woukd see a lot of businesses make things here
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...but you are in hardcore lefty territory here, and most cannot understand the difference between skilled union workers and low paid non-skilled workers.
If only that were always true...
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no need to pay a premium, just drop the illegal minimum wage and you woukd see a lot of businesses make things here
the shanty town construction business would boom for sure.
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no need to pay a premium, just drop the illegal minimum wage and you woukd see a lot of businesses make things here
the shanty town construction business would boom for sure.
Americans face a hard choice ... Entitlements that will collapse the economy or jobs that will grow the economy
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Nothing. Assuming everything is equal in quality and whatnot, paying more for it would be an artificial construct and further destroy the free market.
Now, if it's a higher quality product, well then, that's a different story.
Hey, don't worry about standard of living.......
You didn't read the rest of what I've posted in this thread did you?
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'Maid in the USA' -> 5 dollah make me hollah!
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I don't like or support unions, why is that hard to understand? I partially blame them for why our economy is in the shitter.
Im wondering why you have a dislike for American labor. You dont seem to have a reason....you just dont like them. You claim to like spending at American companies but dislike when your money flows to American laborers.
The best way for you to punish American labor is to stop favoring American companies even pay a premium for foreign goods to teach those greedy American workers a lesson.
Im not sure how unions are to blame for the economy. US union representation is at an all time low and the economy has kind of stunk for 10 years.
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Kay why do you hate employed Americans? You claim to love America but seem to support the causes that send jobs overseas. 
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Kay why do you hate employed Americans? You claim to love America but seem to support the causes that send jobs overseas.
The reason America has been a superpower is because it paid it's labors a good wage. The direction right now is to pay labors next to nothing. That hurts America. Companies that send jobs overseas are doing it based on greed. It's bad for America. Your pretense is flawed. Jobs that pay really low wages is not good for our country.
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Unions priced themselves out of the market.
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Unions priced themselves out of the market.
No Politicians working for the major corporations killed the Unions, i.e. killed the middle class.
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Moe_Nox posted:
Kay why do you hate employed Americans? You claim to love America but seem to support the causes that send jobs overseas.
The reason America has been a superpower is because it paid it's labors a good wage. The direction right now is to pay labors next to nothing. That hurts America. Companies that send jobs overseas are doing it based on greed. It's bad for America. Your pretense is flawed. Jobs that pay really low wages is not good for our country.
Completely wrong. There are multiple reasons we became a super power, not least of which is our products were in demand globally. Jacking up the prices every year simply because a union can, increases a products prices/lowers demand/loses markets entirely.
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Unions priced themselves out of the market.
HAHAHA what a ridiculous thing to say. unions had their powerbase hurt for the same reason all wages have stagnated. Did we all price ourselves out of the market? That statement is monumentally stupid. I honestly can't imagine how many americans like you out there are either so stupid or so petty that you'd want to see our entire labor class(of which you are likely a part) hurt because of a petty grudge you have against unions.
The only union hate I have ever explored follows a very similar line of thought to the AA hate I have explored. Everyone who thinks this way wants to believe that they are awesome and excellent and most other people are poor and less excellent. Therefor any story where somebody else gets over is a travesty, and anything less than whatever success they feel is due their awesome self is probably due to stupid unfair stuff like unions, EEOC, etc.
You people are vile stupid, selfish, and ultimately self defeating. i'm just sorry you have taken the rest of us so far down with you.
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........................... Companies that send jobs overseas are doing it based on greed. It's bad for America. Your pretense is flawed. Jobs that pay really low wages is not good for our country.
Geez - 'Companies' are actually STOCKHOLDRERS, many of which are Union Retirement Funds, and they expect a good return to pay the high retirement incomes the union workers wanted.
It is a vicious circle.
Free Trade = competition and a levelling of the world income structure for workers (I ignore super-waelthy since they are a small number really and don't 'work' in the same manner, ie, they spent a great deal of time and energy creating their wealth wheras most workers suck at it and take the most gain for the least effort).
Closed Borders = lack of exports for competative companies and a lack of imports that more efficiently can be grown/made elsewhere.
Could the USA do it? Sure. But you'd need to get your population down to about 200 Million AND be ready to actually use your nukes again.
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i try to always buy locally produced food.
for almost everything else the first thing i look at is if it will suit my needs, then prices. all products i tend to look for Australian Owned > Australian Made > Foreign imports
i will pay more (where reasonable) if the products are equal
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it depends on quality
id pay more for good quality products.
im not going to pay double for ikea crap just because its made at their US factory instead of their chinese factory.
i would pay double for a good quality oak table thats made in US over that ikea cookie cutter crap.
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It's not a free market when environmental and wage arbitrage allows other countries to compete unfairly.
Either dump the restrictions here, or put tariffs on stuff from countries that don't meet our standards.
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It's not a free market when environmental and wage arbitrage allows other countries to compete unfairly.
Either dump the restrictions here, or put tariffs on stuff from countries that don't meet our standards.
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http://store.americanapparel.net/
Made in America, livable wage for employees, quality product.
I like the t-shirts and v-necks.
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http://store.americanapparel.net/
Made in America, livable wage for employees, quality product.
I like the t-shirts and v-necks.
The first thing I open... short sleeve button-downs. All of which START at a minimum of $52. Long-sleeve oxfords STARTING at $58.
I don't buy long-sleeves for work for more than $35-$39. And they're pretty nice. (Cheap stuff is around $19).
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You just don't know what expensive clothes look like.
It's probably pretty jarring if you're used to shopping at Kohl's. It isn't inexpensive clothing but it's not outrageous either.
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no need to pay a premium, just drop the illegal minimum wage and you woukd see a lot of businesses make things here
Just give 10 Dollars from what you earn back to your employer and then you too can get below minimum wage and support the economy!
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You just don't know what expensive clothes look like.
Just because I don't piss my money away on a label doesn't mean I couldn't. Nor does it mean what I buy lacks basic quality. (And in my case, I actually buy some recognizable labels... for $35-$40. Not $60+. The cheap stuff is $18-$26.
Not pissing away my money is a major reason why I still have my houses (2). And the foreclosed one I just partnered to buy for rental. And own my cars outright (3). And will be able to reach my base-line retirement goal by 50.
You want to piss away your money, be my guest. I'll be there to buy your foreclosed house when you're done bankrupting yourself.
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no need to pay a premium, just drop the illegal minimum wage and you woukd see a lot of businesses make things here
Just give 10 Dollars from what you earn back to your employer and then you too can get below minimum wage and support the economy!
Typical socialist ... you are about theft ...
The constant raising of minimum wage has been one of the biggest job killers in the US .... like I said, Americans are going to have to choose
entitlements like the minimum wage that will break the economy
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jobs that will build the economy
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You just don't know what expensive clothes look like.
Just because I don't piss my money away on a label doesn't mean I couldn't. Nor does it mean what I buy lacks basic quality. (And in my case, I actually buy some recognizable labels... for $35-$40. Not $60+. The cheap stuff is $18-$26.
Not pissing away my money is a major reason why I still have my houses (2). And the foreclosed one I just partnered to buy for rental. And own my cars outright (3). And will be able to reach my base-line retirement goal by 50.
You want to piss away your money, be my guest. I'll be there to buy your foreclosed house when you're done bankrupting yourself.
LOL expensive clothes... /rolleyes
I could not agree with you more on this topic AA.
When I worked in fortune 50 pharma where business apparel was required (that means suits for those who might not be aware), I would buy my shirts 3 at a time from Mens Wearhouse. They were like $39.99 or something, or 3 for $100. They weren't tailored, but they were certainly good quality for every day wear. Now I had a couple "nice" shirts that were in the $50-75 range but they weren't for every day wear. Those were for special occasions.
My daily wear suits were no more than $500 apiece and I had 4 of them in regular rotation, getting once a week wear out of them all for upwards of 2 years each. I mixed in a couple sportcoat + nice pants combination outfits for quasi-casual Fridays and days when I had no meetings. My shoes were about $100 a pair - all leather soles and I rotated through about 5 pairs of them: wingtips in oxblood and black, cap toes in oxblood and black, and brown oxfords. I had a pair of penny loafers too but didn't really like them very much, so I wore them infrequently.
The reason for so many shoes was not to be a clothes horse, but that you get more life out of shoes by not wearing them every day than the sum total of days if you wear the same pair everyday. I.e. buying 5 pairs of shoes to wear in rotation would last me much longer than wearing one pair of shoes every day and replacing them when they wore out 4 more times.
Ties were problematic and I usually waited for sales to get them when I could lol. It pissed me off to spend more than $20 on a tie, in fact spending $20 on a tie pissed me off.
It does crack me the fk up to think about spending $175 on a casual wear shirt though... that's hilarious!
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/agree Cawlin
I'm about where you were on this... even the price points. Except when I'm wearing a suit it's usually for a big deal at work and only every few weeks, not just daily wear. Therefore I only have 3 suits in the closet right now.
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/agree Cawlin
I'm about where you were on this... even the price points. Except when I'm wearing a suit it's usually for a big deal at work and only every few weeks, not just daily wear. Therefore I only have 3 suits in the closet right now.
Right now at my job, I show up dressed in jeans, clean sneakers, and a polo shirt. I dressed without looking today and accidentally put on a pair of jeans with a small hole in the knee - realized it as I walked into the building - it won't be a problem as long as I don't wear holey jeans every day haha!
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Unions priced themselves out of the market.
How do you say this with a straight face?
If you believe that the American standard of living should consistently rise, the ONLY logical outcome is that wages, across the board, will rise to meet the standard of living for a particular period of time. It's a constant cat and mouse, standards go up, wages go up.
Now, if you want the American standard of living to decrease, and you obviously do, continue blaming unions or wages for the state we're in.
And, for what it's worth, China is now experiencing the very thing I've just identified....their standard of living is rising and with it wages....
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Typical socialist ... you are about theft ...
The constant raising of minimum wage has been one of the biggest job killers in the US .... like I said, Americans are going to have to choose
entitlements like the minimum wage that will break the economy
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jobs that will build the economy
Theft? Excuse me, but no one is forced to keep all the money they earn. Everyone can give as much of that to their employer as they want. Think you're getting too much money? Just give it back.
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