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Topic: Melatonin question

_sooz_ Posts: 15,882 Registered: Dec 4, '04 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 15,699 User ID: 1,001,625	Subject: Melatonin question
	Since a lot of people here use it: For ages all our pharmacy carried was 10mg timed-release ones, so that's all i took for several months. Now they've stopped stocking those and have switched to stocking 1mg and 3mg ones. So i bought some 3mg, but im having so much trouble sleeping, both getting to sleep and staying asleep. Will this pass, or am i forever stuck taking the high doses now? -----signature----- Wolfz All the world will be your enemy, Prince of a Thousand enemies. And when they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you.
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Sith_Mauler Posts: 24,642 Registered: Dec 21, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 24,438 User ID: 750,977	Subject: Melatonin question
	body builds up tolerances to drugs, the more you use them. that's the bad thing about maintenance type prescriptions/drugs once you start, you usually cant stop taking them. -----signature----- Well I ain't first class But I ain't white trash I'm wild and a little crazy too I have seen a lot of things in my life time. That is why I walk the line I walk.
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the_great_ontex Title: This is what cool looks like Posts: 31,805 Registered: Feb 13, '12 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 806 User ID: 1,438,403	Subject: Melatonin question
	You'll eventually get used to it. Melatonin doesn't really have a tolerance level so once your body gets used to it you'll be back to normal sleeping like you used to. I used to take up to 8 or 9 3mg caps a night, now I am back down to two Melatonin isn't a drug, it's a natural occurring substance in the body. It causes you to sleep and also dream at night when it metabolizes a DMT type substance released by your pineal gland -----signature----- (none)
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GrimTempest Title: Board Manager Anime Aikousha Posts: 37,523 Registered: Dec 21, '01 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 36,478 User ID: 567,005	Subject: Melatonin question
	generally if you supplement with something your body normally makes it causes your body to produce less and less of it on its own. so your own production of natural melatonin is prolly shot in addition to being desensitized to it from overuse. 10mg is way too much to begin with, the amount your body makes doesn't even come close to the smaller 3mg pills. i suggest you break off the melatonin completely for a while and try to use something else to help you sleep. you've used it to the point your dependent on it and you need to break the dependency. pretty much any sleeping aid needs to be a temporary measure or your body adjusts. if you have trouble sleeping all the time you need to learn to rotate your sleeping aids so you don't take any single one for too long and end up immune to its effects. the only things i know of that don't fall into that category are the more simplistic natural supplements like valerian, passiflora or tryptophan. those are safer to take long term. other things like melatonin or antihistamines that cause drowsiness or prescription drugs should all be limited in use and rotated to prevent your body from becoming desensitized or dependent on any one thing. -----signature----- MyAnimeList - http://myanimelist.net/profile/Grimtempest - Chaotic Neutral - El Psy Congroo
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_sooz_ Posts: 15,882 Registered: Dec 4, '04 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 15,699 User ID: 1,001,625	Subject: Melatonin question
	GrimTempest posted: generally if you supplement with something your body normally makes it causes your body to produce less and less of it on its own. so your own production of natural melatonin is prolly shot in addition to being desensitized to it from overuse. 10mg is way too much to begin with, the amount your body makes doesn't even come close to the smaller 3mg pills. i suggest you break off the melatonin completely for a while and try to use something else to help you sleep. you've used it to the point your dependent on it and you need to break the dependency. pretty much any sleeping aid needs to be a temporary measure or your body adjusts. if you have trouble sleeping all the time you need to learn to rotate your sleeping aids so you don't take any single one for too long and end up immune to its effects. the only things i know of that don't fall into that category are the more simplistic natural supplements like valerian, passiflora or tryptophan. those are safer to take long term. other things like melatonin or antihistamines that cause drowsiness or prescription drugs should all be limited in use and rotated to prevent your body from becoming desensitized or dependent on any one thing. I might end up having to take something like Valerian then, because without some kind of intervention i simply dont sleep, or i dont get good sleep (wake up every hour, only get a couple of hours etc). I am, according to a doctor i had a couple of years ago, a "career insomniac". My shrink wont give me anything like Ambien because of that reason, she doesnt want me on them long term. Zyprexa and Seroquel knock me out but leave me sedated and fuzzy all day, so far Melatonin has been the best at letting me get some sleep without taking major sleepers. -----signature----- Wolfz All the world will be your enemy, Prince of a Thousand enemies. And when they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you.
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GrimTempest Title: Board Manager Anime Aikousha Posts: 37,523 Registered: Dec 21, '01 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 36,478 User ID: 567,005	Subject: Melatonin question
	i've suffered from insomnia for nearly 20 years. i manage it by doing what i posted above. i use this and tryptophan on a regular basis and everything else i rotate or take time off from to make sure i don't desensitize myself to any of it. -----signature----- MyAnimeList - http://myanimelist.net/profile/Grimtempest - Chaotic Neutral - El Psy Congroo
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_sooz_ Posts: 15,882 Registered: Dec 4, '04 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 15,699 User ID: 1,001,625	Subject: Melatonin question
	I think i might get some of that, then, cos i definitely need something. -----signature----- Wolfz All the world will be your enemy, Prince of a Thousand enemies. And when they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you.
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Anebriated Title: I should be reading a book Posts: 37,996 Registered: Jan 27, '03 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 36,373 User ID: 764,038	Subject: Melatonin question
	the_great_ontex posted: You'll eventually get used to it. Melatonin doesn't really have a tolerance level so once your body gets used to it you'll be back to normal sleeping like you used to. I used to take up to 8 or 9 3mg caps a night, now I am back down to two Melatonin isn't a drug, it's a natural occurring substance in the body. It causes you to sleep and also dream at night when it metabolizes a DMT type substance released by your pineal gland you're using an unnecessarily small definition of drug. if i injected you with epinephrine your cells and their receptors don't care where it came from. you gain no understanding by making those separate categories. in fact, you're much more likely to treat one drug differently just because it is endogenous when you shouldn't. i see far too many misconceptions when it comes to drugs. another one is the misnomer 'side effect'. the medical community even uses it to describe an unwanted effect of a drug, but there is no reason to automatically think of it differently than the desired effect. why did you have to go and troll me like that bro -----signature----- (none)
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the_great_ontex Title: This is what cool looks like Posts: 31,805 Registered: Feb 13, '12 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 806 User ID: 1,438,403	Subject: Melatonin question
	Anebriated posted: the_great_ontex posted: You'll eventually get used to it. Melatonin doesn't really have a tolerance level so once your body gets used to it you'll be back to normal sleeping like you used to. I used to take up to 8 or 9 3mg caps a night, now I am back down to two Melatonin isn't a drug, it's a natural occurring substance in the body. It causes you to sleep and also dream at night when it metabolizes a DMT type substance released by your pineal gland you're using an unnecessarily small definition of drug. if i injected you with epinephrine your cells and their receptors don't care where it came from. you gain no understanding by making those separate categories. in fact, you're much more likely to treat one drug differently just because it is endogenous when you shouldn't. i see far too many misconceptions when it comes to drugs. another one is the misnomer 'side effect'. the medical community even uses it to describe an unwanted effect of a drug, but there is no reason to automatically think of it differently than the desired effect. why did you have to go and troll me like that bro Well my definition of drug is probably a little different. Drugs to me are synthetic and not naturally occurring, though there is some naturally occurring ones that are made synthetically like melatonin Mine would be something that isn't able to be found in nature in some form -----signature----- (none)
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Anebriated Title: I should be reading a book Posts: 37,996 Registered: Jan 27, '03 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 36,373 User ID: 764,038	Subject: Melatonin question
	the first supposed miracle drug that I read about was L-Dopa, the naturally occurring precursor to Dopamine. you might not consider it a drug because your body is naturally making it in order to synthesize dopamine. It was a miracle treatment for people with parkinson's, it was thought, because one of the results of their incurred brain damage also left them dopamine deficient. It seemed to work really well at first, but over time it looked just like any other drug. The patients could find no happy medium of dosage, the brain systems they still had left were almost inevitably dis-regulated. They would cycle through tolerance and over-sensitivity and withdrawal worse than crack addicts. the fact they were brain-damaged had a lot to do with their unstable reactions, of course, and the severity of their reactions were sensitive to their internal world (stress and/or psychological) and to how disabled they initially were. the point, though, was that the medical community forgot that a drug is a drug. their hopes were high because they found something natural and endogenous that could cross the blood brain barrier. as it turns out, drugs that act on symptoms or secondary effects are always fallible because the primary cause of the problem runs much deeper than the signaling molecules they knew about. it's an extreme example but the moral is that a drug is a drug: endogenous, natural, or otherwise. -----signature----- (none)
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-Darkfire- Posts: 28,927 Registered: Apr 21, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 27,982 User ID: 670,830	Subject: Melatonin question
	anebriated why u so smart bro -----signature----- http://www.hahgay.com/
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Anebriated Title: I should be reading a book Posts: 37,996 Registered: Jan 27, '03 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 36,373 User ID: 764,038	Subject: Melatonin question
	i don't know what smartness is, ask easier questions~ -----signature----- (none)
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