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3 forced tours in Iraq.
1 forced tour in Afganistan.
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Dude finally....broke.
Now the combination of idiot soldiers filming themselves pissing on dead Afgani corpses, the morons burning the korans, the blood sport where US Marines from this same forward operating base did the same thing as this guy as a game, and now this profanity....
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Greatly tragic, but not very sympathetic.
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Link wtf? A Staff Sergeant from a forward operating base in Afganistan went on a rampage late last night and murdered 16 civilians, most of which were toddlers, executed in a midnight raid.
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good, seriously.
payback is in order
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If ubama had us out in the first 6 months of his administration like he promised on the campaign trail, none of this would've happened.
Ubama lied and people died.
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I sympathize with him. Hang the sob.
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If ubama had us out in the first 6 months of his administration like he promised on the campaign trail, none of this would've happened.
Ubama lied and people died.
If Bush would have never sent us in there in the first place he never would have been brought to that mental state. Bush's greed killed those people.
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It is a messed up situation. I have sympathy but you still have to put down a rabid dog even if the disease is not his fault.
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Caledric posted:
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If ubama had us out in the first 6 months of his administration like he promised on the campaign trail, none of this would've happened.
Ubama lied and people died.
If Bush would have never sent us in there in the first place he never would have been brought to that mental state. Bush's greed killed those people.
It was stupid to start it.. but.. its been 3 years now since bush left office.. if the new boss is different from the old boss, why are we still sitting there (and in iraq, for that matter).
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tantallous posted:
Caledric posted:
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If ubama had us out in the first 6 months of his administration like he promised on the campaign trail, none of this would've happened.
Ubama lied and people died.
If Bush would have never sent us in there in the first place he never would have been brought to that mental state. Bush's greed killed those people.
It was stupid to start it.. but.. its been 3 years now since bush left office.. if the new boss is different from the old boss, why are we still sitting there (and in iraq, for that matter).
Because its not actually his call to pull the troops out. Congress (republican controlled) has to approve it... funny how everyone ignores that fact.
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I bet Obama was elected due to the fact he said he would end it.
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I bet Obama was elected due to the fact he said he would end it.
Whatever success or failure he has had I continue to maintain his path was superior to that of McCain/Palin
for example, OBL would remain alive
http://www.thefoldblog.com/2011/05/bush-and-mccain-said-they-wouldnt.html
I'm willing to look at the Republican candidates but frankly Santorum and Gingrich have behaved like jackasses since this happened.
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Kanga_Roo posted:
Reapist posted:
I bet Obama was elected due to the fact he said he would end it.
Whatever success or failure he has had I continue to maintain his path was superior to that of McCain/Palin
for example, OBL would remain alive
http://www.thefoldblog.com/2011/05/bush-and-mccain-said-they-wouldnt.html
I'm willing to look at the Republican candidates but frankly Santorum and Gingrich have behaved like jackasses since this happened.
I agree with you too Roo. I'm just saying, people elected him because they didn't want another Vietnam.
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No problem Reap. I'm not spoiling for a fight over this. It sucks and there is no easy path out.
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No, there's not. It is what it is. But, I had high hopes for him and sad to say he let me down. Now our guys are falling apart.
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he killed women and children... 9 kids.
just sick
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Kanga_Roo posted:
It is a messed up situation. I have sympathy but you still have to put down a rabid dog even if the disease is not his fault.
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what he has done will affect a lot of ppl for years to come.
his family, who are all on base under watch to keep them safe at the moment.
his parents
his buds still there and elsewhere who are all a target now, well even moreso a target
the families and loved ones of the men/women who will die because they will take revenge action
what i heard in the news is a lot of the ppl at that base/from that base are having problems.
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We shouldn't be over there anyhow. Every war we've been in for the past 20 years has been completely and utterly retarded in every way
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[quote=combat_mage_sc]If ubama had us out in the first 6 months of his administration like he promised on the campaign trail, none of this would've happened.
Ubama lied and people died.
If Bush would have never sent us in there in the first place he never would have been brought to that mental state. Bush's greed killed those people.
It was stupid to start it.. but.. its been 3 years now since bush left office.. if the new boss is different from the old boss, why are we still sitting there (and in iraq, for that matter).
Because its not actually his call to pull the troops out. Congress (republican controlled) has to approve it... funny how everyone ignores that fact.[/quote]
he ignored that fact when he promised to have them out when he was campaigning.
not that i care about him lying, i knew it when he was doing it.
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If this war criminal doesn't get the death penalty we would just prove to the world how much we think we're above everyone else
When another 9/11 happens I am sure a great deal of [retarded] America will bust out their flags and start saying "wtf, what did we ever do to them??"
These wars have caused more terrorist activity than they have prevented/gotten rid of. Fighting terrorism is like fighting a bad thought, this act alone probably just got organized terrorist groups a handful of new suicide bomber recruits
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 jebus just went through the article on CNN. Didn't even hear about it until now.
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from what i heard on the radio, that is exactly what they are going to ask for because some action he did makes them say it was premeditated.
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No, absolutely not a sympathetic figure. Over 99.9% of the people who go through something like that don't go on a murderous rampage.
Either he is severely mentally ill (which could deserve sympathy but not in the way you insinuate), or he is just an asshole who doesn't respect human life. It is much more likely that it is the latter.
Even insinuating that he deserves sympathy is pretty offensive and callous (even if unintentionally). Not that I'm offended... I'm desensitized.
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No, absolutely not a sympathetic figure. Over 99.9% of the people who go through something like that don't go on a murderous rampage.
Either he is severely mentally ill (which could deserve sympathy but not in the way you insinuate), or he is just an asshole who doesn't respect human life. It is much more likely that it is the latter.
Even insinuating that he deserves sympathy is pretty offensive and callous (even if unintentionally). Not that I'm offended... I'm desensitized.
This. If this is an emotional snap and not, like levgre mentioned, a mental illness (can't totally blame the guy if he though he was fighting dragons with a battleaxe) then he deserves less than no sympathy. He was in a crappy situation, but all sympathy goes out the window the second you do something violent. The reason is, I think, that when you create far worse situations for other people, you no longer get support for your difficult situation. How many thousands of soldiers can claim similar experiences? It is a slap in the face of those people who have had real emotional breaks and were able to control their actions or at very least let their emotions out non-violently.
I think he should be tried by the afghans. It would be a circus, sure, and he wouldn't get justice other than by the coincidence that what outraged emotional people would do to someone is what he likely deserves, but more than that it is the only intelligent thing to do politically. If someone killed my child and then his people swooped the murderer off to safety, I imagine I would do anything in my power to hurt those people. The funny/sad thing is, I would just seen as another "terrorist," rather than a grieving father seeking revenge the only way I think i can.
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wait.. since when does congress have to approve troop movements? he is the commander in chief, and he gives the orders. congress has no say in the matter whatsoever. congress can declare war and approve treaties.. but that has nothing to do with this situation.
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It's a start.
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the_great_ontex posted:
We shouldn't be over there anyhow. Every war we've been in for the past 20 years has been completely and utterly retarded in every way
You need to make that the last 50 years.
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I'm reading some of your comments here and thinking, "Until we've been in a war like he has how can we even judge him? Then, look at all the tours he's been forced to do."
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I don't find him a sympathetic figure. I think they should hand his ass over to that village.
I also saw a stat that said 20%, TWENTY PERCENT, of all casualties in the last 6 months are non directly combat related, but instead related to fratricide by non-US arabic allies either directly, or by them putting down their guns and allowing Taliban members to wander onto training bases and into their encampments and commit murders.
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If ubama had us out in the first 6 months of his administration like he promised on the campaign trail, none of this would've happened.
Ubama lied and people died.
Just one of many lies told on the Obama trail
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These stories coming out of a combat zone are not the norm.
It speaks volumes about how professional our Armed Forces are, that these stories don't happen every single day.
These soldiers are in combat zones. Halfway across the world from their families, sometimes on their second and third tours. They are under unbelievable stress, in a day and age where their tiniest 'mistake' could lead them to a Liberal led witch hunt.
This is tens of thousands of armed, under-educated kids...and 99.9% of them do their duty without these media hyped atrocities.
Yes, it's tragic. There is no doubt about it. But it's isolated.
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good thing muslims kill innocent people over the slightest threat of burning a book. they are sympathetic figures.
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I'm a bigot
Yup sure those women and children killed lots of infidels. And yup a fraction of a population being violent extremists, means none of them deserve sympathy for being murdered or losing loved ones.
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ahhh love the weak minded who resort to the call of "RACIST"!!
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-Foxy- posted:
what he has done will affect a lot of ppl for years to come.
his family, who are all on base under watch to keep them safe at the moment.
his parents
his buds still there and elsewhere who are all a target now, well even moreso a target
the families and loved ones of the men/women who will die because they will take revenge action
What about the mothers of the innocent children?
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Their families also
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tantallous posted:
wait.. since when does congress have to approve troop movements? he is the commander in chief, and he gives the orders. congress has no say in the matter whatsoever. congress can declare war and approve treaties.. but that has nothing to do with this situation.
Yeah I was wondering about that...Congress didn't declare war in this situation, Bush just sent our asses over there, and we've been parked there ever since. Why would Congress have to give the order to withdraw?
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This event is huge. Like the news said, they marched for 3 days over the accidental drone bombing of 4 innocents last week. These people are going to go batshiat nutso over this, and who can blame them?
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Gaevren posted:
tantallous posted:
wait.. since when does congress have to approve troop movements? he is the commander in chief, and he gives the orders. congress has no say in the matter whatsoever. congress can declare war and approve treaties.. but that has nothing to do with this situation.
Yeah I was wondering about that...Congress didn't declare war in this situation, Bush just sent our asses over there, and we've been parked there ever since. Why would Congress have to give the order to withdraw?
As far as i understand it, the president cant send troops into combat without congressional approval. But there's always a chance im wrong.
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He can't declare war. That is the purvue of Congress alone. He can send troops into harms way in the form of police actions, etc. Then again, Congress can defund it, but then look like they were soft on terror/soft on military support/overly dovish/overly deficit hawkish.
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Gaevren posted:
tantallous posted:
wait.. since when does congress have to approve troop movements? he is the commander in chief, and he gives the orders. congress has no say in the matter whatsoever. congress can declare war and approve treaties.. but that has nothing to do with this situation.
Yeah I was wondering about that...Congress didn't declare war in this situation, Bush just sent our asses over there, and we've been parked there ever since. Why would Congress have to give the order to withdraw?
Congress had a lot to do with Afghanistan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorization_for_Use_of_Military_Force_Against_Terrorists
Really though, do you think Obama can politically afford to pull out quickly before reelection? Needing him to get us out in his second term is a pretty powerful vote magnet.
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Kanga_Roo posted:
It is a messed up situation. I have sympathy but you still have to put down a rabid dog even if the disease is not his fault.
This, really. One has to wonder if it was suicide by military tribunal, though.
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thanks, directly from that link..
The authorization granted the President the authority to use all "necessary and appropriate force" against those whom he determined "planned, authorized, committed or aided" the September 11th attacks, or who harbored said persons or groups.
they gave the president full control with that resolution.
as far as the politics.. you are probably right. he needs something for leverage to get reelected.. however it is rather depressing that people will let him get away with pointing to his own failure to deliver as a reason to elect him again.
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He's been over there essentially turning people's heads to mist with his sniper rifle for four years now. I'm surprised he is screwed up in the head, snapped and went on a rampage. Normal people don't have any trouble shooting people's heads off for four years at a time.
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you guys forget that he might have had brain damage
apparently he suffered from a severe head injury in 2010 after a vehicle rollover in iraq
and he was later cleared for duty
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shaggynuts24 posted:
you guys forget that he might have had brain damage
apparently he suffered from a severe head injury in 2010 after a vehicle rollover in iraq
and he was later cleared for duty
Doctor say ooops! Missed something!
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This crap is going to happen, we have been at war for a decade now. A unpopular war,a un-winnable war that many of these troops that are on their 4 and 5th tours of duty, that they just dont give a crap about fighting anymore. Most will go and do their duty because that is what good soldiers do, but some are going to snap.
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Second_Chance posted:
This event is huge. Like the news said, they marched for 3 days over the accidental drone bombing of 4 innocents last week. These people are going to go batshiat nutso over this, and who can blame them?
And just wait for them to come home...
I knew when Bush Jr was elected we would end up back in the sandbox. It was fail with Bush Sr and has carried through to Obama. We as a nation are going to suffer because of their greed and stupidity.
I do have sympathy that they are being forced to fight this ridiculous war which is ultimately driving them insane but I do not have sympathy for anyone who does anything like what that asshat did. He chose his targets and it seems he chose them carefully. He put a gun in one little boys mouth and boot stomped another FFS.
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Caledric posted:
Because its not actually his call to pull the troops out. Congress (republican controlled) has to approve it... funny how everyone ignores that fact.
You mean like ignoring the fact that Dems had control of both the House and Senate for 2 years? Yeah, I agree, funny how those idiots will do anything to further their agenda.
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JD_HOGG posted:
He's been over there essentially turning people's heads to mist with his sniper rifle for four years now. I'm surprised he is screwed up in the head, snapped and went on a rampage. Normal people don't have any trouble shooting people's heads off for four years at a time.
Yup, that's it. He is just troubled! Jesus, you are being dense. No one comes out of that exactly the same, but how many thousands of americans alone go through this without going on a child murdering rampage.
There is a big difference between a reason and an excuse, and this guy has neither. A breakup, for example, will make people do emotional things, but if someones GF of 2 weeks leaves them and they burn down her house, you would NOT say it is an explanation for his actions, even though you can see how bad feelings turn into bad actions.
We are accountable for our actions no matter what we experience. I doubt most suicide bombers have happy, well adjusted lives, but I am not going to spend time crying over them after they kill innocents. Before, yes, after, no way.
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People snap,less now than in the past as we look for it now before it manifests itself, but still it happens.
I had an older brother of a friend of mine who did three tours in Vietnam, by the third tour he would sneak off the fire base at night and hunt VC. He'd collect their ears as trophies.
They would not take him back for a fourth tour, and he ended up in prison after killing someone in a bar room brawl.
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Tai-Daishar_MT posted:
Caledric posted:
Because its not actually his call to pull the troops out. Congress (republican controlled) has to approve it... funny how everyone ignores that fact.
You mean like ignoring the fact that Dems had control of both the House and Senate for 2 years? Yeah, I agree, funny how those idiots will do anything to further their agenda.
The Dems controlled the house and senate for two years following six years of Republican control of the house, the senate, and the white house.
And remember, GWB still had veto power during those two years meaning without 2/3rds nothing could happen.
Who is ignoring facts?
This is a tragedy and we need to find a way out of this mess but trying to pin it on the Dems is absurd.
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I was apart of the 2nd ID, and was in the same brigade as that kill squad. This is inexcusable. This staff sergeant deserves to hang. This guy just put everyone over there in even more danger than they were before. I have no sympathy for this guy.
I am glad I'm getting out before another tour. I feel bad for the guys that are getting sent over there, or are there after this. IED's are bad business, and profanity is only going to get worse. This staff sergeant doesn't deserve mercy. Having been in the infantry, I was scared profanity to ride down the roads. I can't fathom how much worse that sentiment is now. Especially now since the local help is probably gone. And when the hajji warriors pledge vengeance, they won't stop until blood flows like a river. I pray for those guys.
This guy is a sociopath who was just out to kill. And this guy definitely had help. Killing 16 people by himself is not believable. There is some kind of cover-up going on here. Thats about the extent of what I feel okay sharing.
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