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There are police stations all over the place and they're already quite experienced at identifying people without ID so it shouldn't be a problem for anyone.
Libtards can rejoice in the fact that no one will need ID and people who care about voter fraud are probably going to be satisfied with this solution as well.
Problem solved.
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Spoken like a true, small government libertarian!
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Libertarians are about individual accountability and responsibility.
If you are interacting with a government service or function, your citizenship by definition must be verified in most any Libertarian structure I've ever heard of. It is to verify you are a party to the social and legal contracts which govern voting.
Libertarian != Anarchic
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Spoken like a true, small government libertarian!
Police stations already exist and it is already their job to prevent crime.
I've never heard of a libertarian who was opposed to preventing crime.
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Police stations already exist and it is already their job to prevent crime.
It is not the job of police to prevent crime.  
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Yes, it is.
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The police enforce laws, they aren't this guy...
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This would be a good opportunity for them to enforce the election fraud laws.
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People without IDs are committing a crime?
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Libertarians are about individual accountability and responsibility.
If you are interacting with a government service or function, your citizenship by definition must be verified in most any Libertarian structure I've ever heard of. It is to verify you are a party to the social and legal contracts which govern voting.
Libertarian != Anarchic
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We oppose the issuance by the government of an identity card, to be required for any purpose, such as employment, voting, or border crossing.
We further oppose the nearly universal requirement for use of the Social Security Number as a personal identification code, whether by government agencies or by intimidation of private companies by governments. "
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People without IDs are committing a crime?
Some of them.
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AzureTyger posted:
Abaddon_Ambrosius posted:
Libertarians are about individual accountability and responsibility.
If you are interacting with a government service or function, your citizenship by definition must be verified in most any Libertarian structure I've ever heard of. It is to verify you are a party to the social and legal contracts which govern voting.
Libertarian != Anarchic
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We further oppose the nearly universal requirement for use of the Social Security Number as a personal identification code, whether by government agencies or by intimidation of private companies by governments. "
Keeping the whole quote for a righteous pwn. However, not for the reason you probably think.
I got lazy and used the capital 'L' as in the party. Not the lower-case 'l' to mean, general philosophy.
There's a REASON I am not a "Libertarian" party member, and it is the jack-ass-ed-ness involving their inability to put any practical, workable governance structure around most of their ideals. I've stated on the board before a for-instance of that: Ron Paul's foreign policy. "Just let it happen" is not a terribly good foreign policy stance or structure.
Libertarian (little l) ideals pretty much all begin with "consent of the governed" and "contract" and "social contract" somewhere in the first sentence or two. It's simply not possible to have a contractual relationship where one party is identified, and the other... isn't. Particularly an exercise decidedly about logging that every individual is indeed in a contract with the government and vice-versa (voting).
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paulg_68 posted:
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People without IDs are committing a crime?
Some of them.
Semantic nonsense. Is not having an ID a crime in itself?
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Of course not. Why would you even ask such a silly question?
BTW, do you like my idea? It solves the voter fraud issue without requiring IDs. The solution gives libtards everything they admit to wanting. Only reason they might oppose this idea is if there was something they wanted but were avoiding admitting.
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Okay. Walk me through it. An 80 year old woman with no birth certificate or other means of ID manages to wheel herself to a police station and...?
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WTF u want, old bish?
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Okay. Walk me through it. An 80 year old woman with no birth certificate or other means of ID manages to wheel herself to a police station and...?
Is asked to see her tax records.
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Okay. Walk me through it. An 80 year old woman with no birth certificate or other means of ID manages to wheel herself to a police station and...?
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Okay. Walk me through it. An 80 year old woman with no birth certificate or other means of ID manages to wheel herself to a police station and...?
The police identify her the way they would anyone else.
She votes and goes home.
Of course it wouldn't really be much of an issue since we both know she doesn't exist and even if she did exist she doesn't vote.
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More like:
A thirty-five year old hispanic American shows up to a police station in Arizona and in Spanish, tells the Duty Officer he wants to vote but has no papers. The Sheriff walks in and says, "We got ourselves one now boys! Yeeehaw!" The duty officer says, "Squeeee!" in intimidating mockery. This is, of course, the signal for Officer Squee to come out and translate Spanish for the upstanding young American.
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paulg_68 posted:
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Okay. Walk me through it. An 80 year old woman with no birth certificate or other means of ID manages to wheel herself to a police station and...?
The police identify her the way they would anyone else.
She votes and goes home.
Of course it wouldn't really be much of an issue since we both know she doesn't exist and even if she did exist she doesn't vote.
I've never been in a police station to be identified. Please explain the process. And plenty of 80 year old moderately disabled women vote. Just because you don't see them in your basement doesn't mean they don't exist.
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You said she had no means of ID. People who literally have no means of ID whatsoever are intentionally living off the grid. People living off the grid don't vote.
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You said she had no means of ID. People who literally have no means of ID whatsoever are intentionally living off the grid. People living off the grid don't vote.
Side stepping. Please explain the process the police would use to identify her.
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Spoken like a true, small government libertarian!
Police stations already exist and it is already their job to prevent crime.
I've never heard of a libertarian who was opposed to preventing crime.
Police stations are socialized, paul. Do you favor socialism paul?
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Police stations are socialized, paul. Do you favor socialism paul?
Police predate socialism by centuries.
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Side stepping. Please explain the process the police would use to identify her.
Why? Do you doubt that they have a process?
I can't explain the process of a heart bypass procedure but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Speaking of side stepping, you didn't answer my question.
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Police stations are socialized, paul. Do you favor socialism paul?
Police predate socialism by centuries.
Got a link for that?
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Do you think a heart bypass would fix voter fraud? Why are you so sure another procedure would work when you admit that don't know what you're talking about? Why should anyone take you seriously?
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Police stations are socialized, paul. Do you favor socialism paul?
Police predate socialism by centuries.
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Side stepping. Please explain the process the police would use to identify her.
Why? Do you doubt that they have a process?
I can't explain the process of a heart bypass procedure but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Speaking of side stepping, you didn't answer my question.
I'll answer your question after you answer my question.
So, you have no clue as to what you are talking about when you made your OP.
Color me shocked!
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Police stations are socialized, paul. Do you favor socialism paul?
Police predate socialism by centuries.
Got a link for that?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism
"Modern socialism originated from an 18th-century intellectual and working class political movement that criticised the effects of industrialisation and private property on society."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police#History
"Law enforcement in Ancient China was carried out by "prefects". The notion of a "prefect" in China has existed for thousands of years."
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In Ancient China, prefects were government officials appointed by local magistrates, who reported to higher authorities such as governors, who in turn were appointed by the head of state, usually the emperor of the dynasty. The prefects oversaw the civil administration of their "prefecture", or jurisdiction.
Prefects were socialized paul. 
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I'll answer your question after you answer my question.
So, you have no clue as to what you are talking about when you made your OP.
Color me shocked!
That's like saying someone who doesn't know how a television remote control is built has no idea how to use a television remote control.
Just because you don't understand something at the lowest level doesn't mean you don't understand it at the level you need to for your purposes.
I answered your question to the best of my ability. Your turn.
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I'm convinced. A remote control seems to be the perfect solution for voter fraud. We just install little boxes in every home and hook them up to a TV and people vote on the remote. Presto, no more voter fraud.
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paulg_68 posted:
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Police stations are socialized, paul. Do you favor socialism paul?
Police predate socialism by centuries.
Got a link for that?
JFC just because Paul's googling sucks today doesn't mean the fact isn't true. We've covered this before. Lrn 2 read. In case you learn in the next 30 seconds:
One source posted:
In Great Britain, the police function was historically performed by private watchmen (existing from 1500 on), thief-takers, and so on. The former were funded by private individuals and organizations and the latter by privately funded rewards for catching criminals, who would then be compelled to return stolen property or pay restitution.
In 1737, George II began paying some London and Middlesex watchmen with tax moneys, beginning the shift to government control.
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I'll answer your question after you answer my question.
So, you have no clue as to what you are talking about when you made your OP.
Color me shocked!
That's like saying someone who doesn't know how a television remote control is built has no idea how to use a television remote control.
Just because you don't understand something at the lowest level doesn't mean you don't understand it at the level you need to for your purposes.
I answered your question to the best of my ability. Your turn.
You didn't answer the question to the best of your ability because you have the internet at your finger tips you can look it up.
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Are they going to issue a voter photo ID card for free so they person doesn't have to come to the police station next year?
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For years, I voted at a fire station. I'd have no particular objection to voting in a police station. I find it ludicrous, though, to claim that the police have some mystical power to ID people that the rest of us don't have. As usual, paul has made a flat assertion with nothing to back it up.
Once again, if anyone can show evidence that voter fraud that can be prevented by photo IDs is a serious problem, then, I'd be okay with requiring them. Using the fact that that have been virtually no convictions for this type of fraud of evidence of just how pervasive it is doesn't count.
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Abaddon_Ambrosius posted:
PhillsburyBandit posted:
paulg_68 posted:
[quote=PhillsburyBandit]Police stations are socialized, paul. Do you favor socialism paul?
Police predate socialism by centuries.
Got a link for that?
JFC just because Paul's googling sucks today doesn't mean the fact isn't true. We've covered this before. Lrn 2 read. In case you learn in the next 30 seconds:
One source posted:
In Great Britain, the police function was historically performed by private watchmen (existing from 1500 on), thief-takers, and so on. The former were funded by private individuals and organizations and the latter by privately funded rewards for catching criminals, who would then be compelled to return stolen property or pay restitution.
In 1737, George II began paying some London and Middlesex watchmen with tax moneys, beginning the shift to government control.
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Ummmm paul said police have been around before socialism and then posts a link that states law enforcement started in ancient china which was socialized.
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If the point is about police predating socialized police which is the only point relevant to this, asked-and-answered.
If the point is about police predating socialism, which is a semantic point that has really nothing much to do with the thread... IDGAF.
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Democrats dont want illegal aliens not to be able to vote. This is why they are agains voter id requirements
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And if the person has no finger prints on file, how are they to identify the person? Some sort of magic the rest of us don't know about.
Oh hey there's that old person no one knows, put them through the super duper special secret person identifier machine!
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Seriously what kind of person has no picture ID? Seriously?
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Seriously what kind of person has no picture ID? Seriously?
An estimated 15% of voting age folks. Seriously, there is virtually no voter fraud that could be prevented by picture IDs. Seriously.
It makes it harder to vote for no reason whatsoever.
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What kind of low lifes have no photo ID? Seriously.
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What kind of low lifes have no photo ID? Seriously.
Elderly citizens are less likely to possess government-issued photo identification.
Survey results indicate that seniors disproportionately lack photo identification. Eighteen percent of American citizens age 65 and above do not have current government-issued photo ID.9 Using 2005 census estimates, this amounts to more than 6 million senior citizens.
http://www.brennancenter.org/page/-/d/download_file_39242.pdf
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You don't want those old people voting anyways Poet. They only vote with conservatives amirite?
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You don't want those old people voting anyways Poet. They only vote with conservatives amirite?
Not the old people I know
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About the only reasonable measure that could be taken IMO is a Thumb print system simular to what law enforcement uses.It could match prints from year to year,check to see if the same print appears on any other ballot and even be ran against the areas known felons and wouldn't cost anybody anything(directly) or give any unwarranted info about them....but the right wouldn't go for that because it doesn't disenfranchise anybody.
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Plus, just imagine the outcry when people are told their fingerprints would be kept on file! The government would be potentially tracking them every time they touched something!
Obviously a system requiring a photo ID would be much less intrusive.
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i am anti anything that forces citizens not under suspicion or charged with a crime to a police station...
having to cast your vote before law enforcement officials sounds very anti democratic to me
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What a stupid topic. Vote fraud happens all the time during the republican primaries but somehow people are all concerned about someone not having an ID during a general election? I worked as an election judge last election. We have the voter rolls and use an online database to make sure nobody votes twice and that only people on the updated voter roll can vote. I also handled any issues that arose with people who weren't registered. This usually only happens when people just moved to the state and didn't register yet.
The only voter fraud that can be impacting during the general election would be made at the software level. In fact Romney's friends own the manufacturer of the software.
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