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WASHINGTON (AP) — The Justice Department's civil rights division on Monday objected to a new photo ID requirement for voters in Texas because many Hispanic voters lack state-issued identification.

I stopped reading the story after that because I was laughing...

Not that it is really funny at just how backwards and awful the out of control national government has become.

 

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Under Holder the department should be name the Injustice Department.

 

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Under Holder the department should be name the Injustice Department.


 

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Should a citizen be forced by the government to have a photo id card? Especially if they don't drive and thus not have the most common one? You would think the more libertarian types would be against forced identification. No where in the Constitution is an id card listed as a voting requirement. thinking grin

 

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Should a citizen be forced by the government to have a photo id card? Especially if they don't drive and thus not have the most common one? You would think the more libertarian types would be against forced identification. No where in the Constitution is an id card listed as a voting requirement. thinking grin


Only if they need to be the person they say they are. Would you allow someone to cash a check without an ID?

Really, you guys are so liberal. When they have buses filled with people driving from voter poll to voter poll you really should do something. Why liberals keep thinking something as simple to get as an ID is an issue is beyond me. Makes me think they have something far more important to them to protect.

 

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Fist_de_Yuma posted:
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Should a citizen be forced by the government to have a photo id card? Especially if they don't drive and thus not have the most common one? You would think the more libertarian types would be against forced identification. No where in the Constitution is an id card listed as a voting requirement. thinking grin


Only if they need to be the person they say they are. Would you allow someone to cash a check without an ID?

Really, you guys are so liberal. When they have buses filled with people driving from voter poll to voter poll you really should do something. Why liberals keep thinking something as simple to get as an ID is an issue is beyond me. Makes me think they have something far more important to them to protect.



Ensuring that the poor and the mobility impaired have access to the voting booth is pretty important. Well, not for you....but for many it is.

 

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You would think the more libertarian types would be against forced identification.

You think libertarians are against identifying who is voting? Why?

No one is forced to get or carry identification. If you want to vote though then we kinda need to know who you are.

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Ensuring that the poor and the mobility impaired have access to the voting booth is pretty important. Well, not for you....but for many it is.
The seems to mobile enough and have enough money to get to the voting booth, they should be able to make it to the DMV just fine. peace

 

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There should be some sort of identification to make sure the person voting is really the person and he's a real US citizen

Voting fraud is anti-democratic in a process that is already anti-democratic

I'd be more happy if they destroyed the corrupt 2 party system that hand picks who we are allowed to vote for and destroying the corruption in the media that sells us these pieces of shit people we call Presidential candidates and the wars they want to sell to the dumber part of America. Destroy by any means, hang them for all I care. The tree of liberty needs to be watered with the blood of patriots and tyrants

 

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Only if they need to be the person they say they are. Would you allow someone to cash a check without an ID?


What does a private business transaction have to do with a Constitutionally protected activity? grin

 

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They passed an ID check law here in Tennessee last year. Really screwed everything up. LOTS of seniors either don't have drivers licenses or they renew via mail so don't have pictures on them. Suddenly, they all had to have new ID's in a couple of months.

At the same time, the state cut funding to the drivers license facilities, closed a bunch of them and cut staff in the rest drastically.

End result?

Took on average about 8 hours to get a license. Many people with health problems had to sit there all day, with oxygen and in wheel chairs, so they could pay 20 bucks to get an ID that would "allow them" to vote. It's still a mess, 10's of thousands of people still don't have the photo ID's (you have to have a birth certificate to get one, and many seniors around here never got one as they were born at home)....so they had to spend another 100 to 200 bucks and jump thru hoops like crazy to get that issued, then go back and spend another 8 hours waiting in line....

It's ridiculous. The photo ID laws are just an attempt to disenfranchise voters, not a serious attempt to reduce "fraud"....which there is very little evidence of occurring with people voting as someone else. Anywhere.

 

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Fist_de_Yuma posted:
When they have buses filled with people driving from voter poll to voter poll


This doesn't happen. And really can't happen. To do that (i.e. bus people around to vote more than once) that you would need a list of registered people who arn't going to vote to work off of.

Plus if it ever happened it'd be super easy to spot and the people would get arrested pretty much instantly.

 

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I have no problem with proving my citizenship when voting.

 

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theredkay1 posted:
Ensuring that the poor and the mobility impaired have access to the voting booth is pretty important. Well, not for you....but for many it is.
The seems to mobile enough and have enough money to get to the voting booth, they should be able to make it to the DMV just fine. peace


Absentee ballots, how do they work?

 

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I have no problem with proving my citizenship when voting.




You carry around a birth certificate everywhere you go?

 

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Ashmaele posted:
Lyken-P posted:
theredkay1 posted:
Ensuring that the poor and the mobility impaired have access to the voting booth is pretty important. Well, not for you....but for many it is.
The seems to mobile enough and have enough money to get to the voting booth, they should be able to make it to the DMV just fine. peace


Absentee ballots, how do they work?


Poor people don't use absentee ballots, so we don't care about those.

 

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Tipztoe posted:
I have no problem with proving my citizenship when voting.




You carry around a birth certificate everywhere you go?



don't need to

my license and ccw applications both state I am a natural born US citizen.

 

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What is a ccw application?

A state issued ID card is not proof of citizenship fyi.

 

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liberals posted:
I'm against free and fair elections and I'm against the constitution.


Go get 'em, Fist!

Oh wait...

 

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What is a ccw application?

A state issued ID card is not proof of citizenship fyi.


concealed carry permit

a license can prove you are who you say you are though. I don't know about your state, but here you check in before you vote.


edit: I will add if they asked for a copy of my birth certificate at voting time.. I would simply bring it.. what's the big deal?





 

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How much could it cost to give them away for free if you fall below a certain income level? If they suspend the stupid wars for a day or two they could pay for it fully. If they are immobile send a van over like meals on wheels. I think people are making it out to be much more complicated than it should be.

 

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And right wingers continue to push for a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.



 

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It's a big deal to millions of Americans. Be glad you aren't dirt poor, or have no access to the interweb, and haven't been homeless.....but millions of people have experienced one or more of those.

Without a birth certificate (which 10's of millions of Americans don't have a copy of for many reasons), you can't get a license, to get a birth certificate you have to spend hundreds of dollars (in many cases) and you need to have access to the interweb to do it. You also need a credit card (or debit card, which of course means you have a bank account in most cases) Again, 10's of millions of Americans don't.

You can get by in life just fine without a birth certificate or drivers license, and many people do. Now, suddenly, for no good reason at all, you are required to have them if you want to vote.

So in order to solve a problem that didn't exist, "conservatives" are for bigger government and more intrusion into peoples lives, with a high cost in both time and money, and the end result is fewer people voting. Now I understand how you might wish fewer people to vote in order to give your guy a better chance at getting in office, but in no way can you claim to be for freedom, democracy, or less government if you support such disenfranchisement.

Hypocritical actions are the hallmark of the "conservative".

 

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I really would like to know what the reasoning is for all these new amendments for stopping voter fraud.


If it's not as widespread as proclaimed then there has to be some ulterior motion to getting these passed.

 

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You think libertarians are against identifying who is voting? Why? coffee


Yes

http://www.lp.org/issues/privacy

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We oppose the issuance by the government of an identity card, to be required for any purpose, such as employment, voting, or border crossing.


 

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I really would like to know what the reasoning is for all these new amendments for stopping voter fraud.


If it's not as widespread as proclaimed then there has to be some ulterior motion to getting these passed.


Well there are two things going on.

For normal people who support these things, the impetus really is voting fraud. They see what seems to be a no-brainer because they have a driver's license and they assume everyone else does and why not do it if it could stop fraud? These people don't realize many people DON'T have photo ID and also that this particular kind of voter fraud is not much of a real problem.

For the people actually pushing the amendments, it is very much about stopping poor people from voting.

 

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You think libertarians are against identifying who is voting? Why? coffee


Yes

http://www.lp.org/issues/privacy

Libertarian Party posted:
We oppose the issuance by the government of an identity card, to be required for any purpose, such as employment, voting, or border crossing.






paulg_68 posted:
Those arn't real Libertarians!

 

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Fist_de_Yuma posted:
Scarne posted:
Should a citizen be forced by the government to have a photo id card? Especially if they don't drive and thus not have the most common one? You would think the more libertarian types would be against forced identification. No where in the Constitution is an id card listed as a voting requirement. thinking grin


Only if they need to be the person they say they are. Would you allow someone to cash a check without an ID?

Really, you guys are so liberal. When they have buses filled with people driving from voter poll to voter poll you really should do something. Why liberals keep thinking something as simple to get as an ID is an issue is beyond me. Makes me think they have something far more important to them to protect.



Why conservatives keep thinking something as simple as supplying an ID to the poor is an issue is beyond me.

They have the capacity to solve the issue on their own and refuse to do it. THAT's the issue, but go on with your idiotic talking point about how liberals are against a photo ID. They aren't, they're against the marginalization caused when proposed rules would prevent equal rights. If conservatives said they'd supply photo ID to anyone who can't afford to get one, they'd have no opposition with a worthy argument against their proposition. AND, they could dovetail that photo ID into other areas such as WIC, Welfare or other social assistance and cut down on other fraud.

Why don't they want to propose that? thinking

 

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For the people actually pushing the amendments, it is very much about stopping poor people from voting.
They probably know people will never vote themselves a pay cut. wink This is one of those issues I don't really have a big opinion on. I would rather err on the side of caution. So I guess I would not be in favor it voter ID cards.

Although it does laugh in the face of all those people that piss and moan about dumbasses voting the wrong way. What does Mo call them? The great unwashed stoonads that put bush in office twice?

 

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-fourth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

"The 2008 case Crawford v. Marion County Election Board ruled that an Indiana law that required voters to obtain and present picture identification such as a driver's license was constitutional because the Supreme Court found no substantial burden imposed on voters and preventing voter fraud was a valid governmental objective.[16] The lawsuit continued in the 2010 case League of Women Voters, et al. v. Todd Rokita where the Indiana Supreme Court ruled that requiring photo identification for voting was within the legislature's power."


I see nothing wrong with this - what is lacking is an ID card that isn't a drivers' license that has a photo - a Citizenship card if you will.

Voting by eligible CITIZENS is a right BUT the determination of who is a citizen is vital.


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Crackdoc posted:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-fourth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

"The 2008 case Crawford v. Marion County Election Board ruled that an Indiana law that required voters to obtain and present picture identification such as a driver's license was constitutional because the Supreme Court found no substantial burden imposed on voters and preventing voter fraud was a valid governmental objective.[16] The lawsuit continued in the 2010 case League of Women Voters, et al. v. Todd Rokita where the Indiana Supreme Court ruled that requiring photo identification for voting was within the legislature's power."


I see nothing wrong with this - what is lacking is an ID card that isn't a drivers' license that has a photo - a Citizenship card if you will.

Voting by eligible CITIZENS is a right BUT the determination of who is a citizen is vital.


peace


See Pg. 3 - http://www.in.gov/judiciary/opinions/pdf/06301001bd.pdf

Indiana offers FREE photo ID. That's partly why the case was struck down. There is no relevant reason why anyone would be restricted from obtaining photo ID, AND there are provisions for those who do not have it or are prevented from producing it at the ballot.

 

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From the links...


While the majority conceded that Republican Party's partisan interest in reducing low-income voter turnout likely motivated the law's passage, it found that the law's valid neutral justifications "should not be disregarded simply because partisan interests may have provided one motivation for the votes of individual legislators."


Gotta love right wing Supreme Courts...Yes, the main purpose of this law is to make it harder for some folks to vote, but, who cares, because, theoretically, this might help prevent a type of voter fraud that has never occurred in Indiana.

and, from back in the day..."Mississippi Senator Theodore Bilbo declared "If the poll tax bill passes, the next step will be an effort to remove the registration qualification, the educational qualification of Negroes. If that is done we will have no way of preventing the Negroes from voting."[7"


The type of fraud a voter ID would prevent does not exist. The Supreme Court made it clear that they know Republicans are doing this for purely partisan reasons, but, the Court just doesn't care.


 

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If we're going to require an ID and background check to get a gun then we should require one for voting as well.

 

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“As noted above, an applicant for an election identification certificate will have to travel to a driver’s license office. This raises three discrete issues. First, according to the most recent American Community Survey three-year estimates, 7.3 percent of Hispanic or Latino households do not have an available vehicle, as compared with only 3.8 percent of non-Hispanic white households that lack an available vehicle. Statistically significant correlations exist between the Hispanic voting-age population percentage of a county, and the percentage of occupied housing units without a vehicle.
Second, in 81 of the state’s 254 counties, there are no operational driver’s license offices. The disparity in the rates between Hispanics and non-Hispanics with regard to the possession of either a driver’s license or personal identification card issued by DPS is particularly stark in counties without driver’s license offices. According to the September 2011 data, 10.0 percent of Hispanics in counties without driver’s license offices do not have either form of identification, compared to 5.5 percent of non-Hispanics. According to the January 2012 data, that comparison is 14.6 percent of Hispanics in counties without driver’s license offices, as compared to 8.8 percent of non-Hispanics. During the legislative hearings, one senator stated that some voters in his district could have to travel up to 176 miles roundtrip in order to reach a driver’s license office.


http://www.texastribune.org/texas-politics/voter-id/feds-reject-texas-voter-id-law/



Also, I would like to see a show of hands of all the folks who support this law who, up until it became expedient for their talking points to claim the DMV is a model of efficiency and convenience, regularly used it as an example of how terrible the government is at doing anything.

 

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they were probably useing a list generated from some of ACORN's voter registration cards.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-obtains-new-fbi-documents-regarding-acorn-voter-fraud-investigation/

http://rottenacorn.com/activityMap.html

and how would it be "super easy to spot"? all they would have to do is stop the bus a block or two away, out of sight of the polling places.


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When they have buses filled with people driving from voter poll to voter poll


This doesn't happen. And really can't happen. To do that (i.e. bus people around to vote more than once) that you would need a list of registered people who arn't going to vote to work off of.

Plus if it ever happened it'd be super easy to spot and the people would get arrested pretty much instantly.

 

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WASHINGTON (AP) — The Justice Department's civil rights division on Monday objected to a new photo ID requirement for voters in Texas because many Hispanic voters lack state-issued identification.

I stopped reading the story after that because I was laughing...

Not that it is really funny at just how backwards and awful the out of control national government has become.


What exactly do you find funny or wrong with that? Keeping in mind there are a whole lot of Hispanic natural born citizens in Texas.


Also can anyone who supports voter IDs explain to me which form of ID is valid to get your voter ID,and what form of ID do you need to get that ID and what form of ID do I need to get that one?
...continue down that line of questioning until you realize your not that bright.

 

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I see nothing wrong with this - what is lacking is an ID card that isn't a drivers' license that has a photo - a Citizenship card if you will.

Voting by eligible CITIZENS is a right BUT the determination of who is a citizen is vital.


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Just like using robocalls to direct voters from the other parties to polling stations that don't exist, right?

 

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Crackdoc posted:
I see nothing wrong with this - what is lacking is an ID card that isn't a drivers' license that has a photo - a Citizenship card if you will.

Voting by eligible CITIZENS is a right BUT the determination of who is a citizen is vital.


peace


Just like using robocalls to direct voters from the other parties to polling stations that don't exist, right?



What does one have to do with the other? You are such a raving anti-Con you apparently have no ability to focus on a single subject.

Voter identification when voting in Ontario Provincial elections is governed as per ->

http://wemakevotingeasy.ca/media/en/E0599_Identification_Requirements_for_Voting_in_Ontario_Provincial_Elections_12-2010.html

Pretty obvious that they want(ed) some way to double-check that voters are eligible only vote once.

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...continue down that line of questioning until you realize your not that bright.


LOL Irony...

 

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and, from back in the day..."Mississippi Senator Theodore Bilbo [Democrat] declared "If the poll tax bill passes, the next step will be an effort to remove the registration qualification, the educational qualification of Negroes. If that is done we will have no way of preventing the Negroes from voting."[7"


The type of fraud a voter ID would prevent does not exist. The Supreme Court made it clear that they know Republicans are doing this for purely partisan reasons, but, the Court just doesn't care.


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E mail I got from the MS Secretary of State reminding me to vote:

Some tips for Election Day:

Polling Location: This is especially important for first-time voters. Your voter registration card lists your proper polling location. If you are not sure of your polling location, visit the “Polling Locator” on the Secretary of State’s website at www.sos.ms.gov or contact your local Circuit Clerk.

Identification: If you are a first time, unverified registrant who registered by mail, and you did not provide a Help America Vote Act (HAVA)-approved form of identification with your application federal law requires you to show identification acceptable to the HAVA standards. According to HAVA, the following are acceptable forms of identification: a copy of a current and valid photo ID, a copy of a current utility bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck, or government document that shows the name and address of the voter.

Attire: It is against the law for any candidate or candidate’s representative to distribute campaign literature within 150 feet of a polling location. It is the position of the Office of the Secretary of State that wearing clothing with a candidate’s name and/or picture on it or other campaign paraphernalia within 150 feet of a polling location constitutes the posting of campaign literature and is prohibited.

Sample Ballot: A 2012 Primary Election sample ballots are available on the Secretary of State’s website.

 

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According to HAVA, the following are acceptable forms of identification: a copy of a current and valid photo ID, a copy of a current utility bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck, or government document that shows the name and address of the voter.
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Judge struck down the Photo ID requirement in Wisconsin yesterday.

"A government that undermines the very foundation of its existence – the people’s inherent, pre-constitutional right to vote – imperils its legitimacy as a government by the people, for the people, and especially of the people. It sows the seeds for its own demise as a democratic institution. . . . This is precisely what 2011 Wisconsin Act 23 does with its photo ID mandates."

 

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"Inherent pre-constitutional" would be an oxymoron.

People without formal 'rights' cannot have inherent ones.

And even when they have that right in writing, they are best served by having the voting be done by fellow citizens, not 25 million illegal immigrants.

I think th judge is wrong.


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"Inherent pre-constitutional" would be an oxymoron.

People without formal 'rights' cannot have inherent ones.

And even when they have that right in writing, they are best served by having the voting be done by fellow citizens, not 25 million illegal immigrants.

I think th judge is wrong.


peace


You seem willing to restrict the voting ability of many Americans in order to keep illegals from voting.

Are you willing to give up your vote as the cost of keeping an illegal from voting? Or is the damage done by illegals voting not worth that cost?

Always disappointing to see politicians spend great time and effort making it more difficult to vote.

 

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So we want as many as possible voting? So when I see posts about crappy voters and people not voting the right way I can point and laugh at them?

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[quote=theredkay1........................

You seem willing to restrict the voting ability of many Americans in order to keep illegals from voting.

Are you willing to give up your vote as the cost of keeping an illegal from voting?;............ [/quote]


How so restrict ? Providing each person of voting age a method of legal proof that they are entitled to vote isn't that difficult (as I and Afio already linked, those 2 and many jurisdictions provide avenues wherein voters can easilly 'prove' elegibility).


This wah wah wah about restriction is a Red Herring - anyone so stupid that they cannot meet some simple requirements to obtain proof shouldn't be allowed to walk and chew gum, never mind vote.

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So we want as many as possible voting? So when I see posts about crappy voters and people not voting the right way I can point and laugh at them?

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You can do anything you want to...but....

Disagreeing with your choices on a subject and taking action to eliminate your ability to choose are two very different things. peace

 

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Waiting to hear how keeping illegals from voting in America makes it impossible for actual Americans to vote...

 

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You seem willing to restrict the voting ability of many Americans in order to keep illegals from voting.

Are you willing to give up your vote as the cost of keeping an illegal from voting?;............



How so restrict ? Providing each person of voting age a method of legal proof that they are entitled to vote isn't that difficult (as I and Afio already linked, those 2 and many jurisdictions provide avenues wherein voters can easilly 'prove' elegibility).


This wah wah wah about restriction is a Red Herring - anyone so stupid that they cannot meet some simple requirements to obtain proof shouldn't be allowed to walk and chew gum, never mind vote.

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So this wouldnt restrict anyones ability to vote...except for the group of people you deem to stupid to deserve a vote? You are presenting two statements which are at odds with each other.

There should still be a very high burden of proof to show actual benefits before you start restricting the voting ability of stupid people.

 

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Stick with the argument K instead of trying to wriggle around it and restate it as a different argument with each post.

 

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So we want as many as possible voting? So when I see posts about crappy voters and people not voting the right way I can point and laugh at them?

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You can do anything you want to...but....

Disagreeing with your choices on a subject and taking action to eliminate your ability to choose are two very different things. peace
I am just trying to figure out the party line here is all. wink

 

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Waiting to hear how keeping illegals from voting in America makes it impossible for actual Americans to vote...


I dont think thats the right measurement. Making it more difficult to vote seems to be where the debate is....although the rhetoric might get a little loose.

There is a long history in America of making it very hard, but still possible, for some groups to vote.

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Stick with the argument K instead of trying to wriggle around it and restate it as a different argument with each post.


not sure what you mean. Maybe you should read more closely?

 

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Waiting to hear how keeping illegals from voting in America makes it impossible for actual Americans to vote...


I dont think thats the right measurement. Making it more difficult to vote seems to be where the debate is....although the rhetoric might get a little loose.


Really? Then why did you say this:

theredkay1 posted:
You seem willing to restrict the voting ability of many Americans in order to keep illegals from voting.

Are you willing to give up your vote as the cost of keeping an illegal from voting?



theredkay1 posted:
Cawlin posted:
Stick with the argument K instead of trying to wriggle around it and restate it as a different argument with each post.


not sure what you mean. Maybe you should read more closely?


Maybe you should actually make an argument that you are willing to actually try to defend rather than tossing up random nonsensical crap ad nauseum and abandoning every pointless point as soon as you're called on it.

 

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