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But Obama's got you back.. Yea ok

 

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Yeah, let's see. Israel assassinated some dude because they claimed he hated them, Then Israel attacked with helicopter gunships and fighter jets, killed 18 people (including 7 children)..... and in response some idiots in Gaza fired a bunch of homemade "rockets" into the desert....killing no one.

But hey.....Israel are the "good guys". plain

 

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Yeah, let's see. Israel assassinated some dude because they claimed he hated them, Then Israel attacked with helicopter gunships and fighter jets, killed 18 people (including 7 children)..... and in response some idiots in Gaza fired a bunch of homemade "rockets" into the desert....killing no one.

But hey.....Israel are the "good guys". plain



I'm guessing you're not pro-Isreal then?

 

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I'm not anti-Israel, I'm anti bombing the hell out of occupied people then complaining when they throw rocks at you in response.

 

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I'm not anti-Israel, I'm anti bombing the hell out of occupied people then complaining when they throw rocks at you in response.


Logical, but what about then they were blowing themselves up in nightclubs?

 

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I'm not anti-Israel, I'm anti bombing the hell out of occupied people then complaining when they throw rocks at you in response.
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I'm not anti-Israel, I'm anti bombing the hell out of occupied people then complaining when they throw rocks at you in response.
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seriously. this may make some heads assplode, but israel isn't always the good guys.

 

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I'm not anti-Israel, I'm anti bombing the hell out of occupied people then complaining when they throw rocks at you in response.
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Blue_arrow posted:http://www.jta.org/news/article/2012/03/10/3092070/rockets-hit-israel-after-airstrike-kills-palestinian-militant-in-gaza




But Obama's got you back.. Yea ok


You're a phucking idiot. Rockets have been lobbed at Israel for decades. But sure, blame Obama.

 

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I don't blame Obama. I blame the mindless morons who support the Arab cause on matter what the facts.

 

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I don't blame Obama. I blame the mindless morons who support the Arab cause on matter what the facts.
You blame people that support the facts?


Geee now there's a shocker...

 

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Dirty ass Israel. Wish some of those rockets hit their children.

 

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Wow that's pretty harsh.

 

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I'm not anti-Israel, I'm anti bombing the hell out of occupied people then complaining when they throw rocks at you in response.
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Yup.

 

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Dirty ass Israel. Wish some of those rockets hit their children.

Someones mad .. why are you so mad?

 

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Because Israel is scum. And no scum died today.

 

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The Palestinians can have peace anytime they want it, they just don't want it. The power is entirely in their hands to stop the violence.



 

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The Palestinians can have peace anytime they want it, they just don't want it. The power is entirely in their hands to stop the violence.







Thats a good mantra...puts you into trance fast, I hear

 

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The Palestinians can have peace anytime they want it, they just don't want it. The power is entirely in their hands to stop the violence.







No. The power lies with the nuclear billion dollar nation that controls the water.

 

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Yup. No fair fight. Nazi US will also back them no matter what.

 

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If Mexico was lobbing missiles into the US you think things would be any different?

Israel has been the most reserved nation in the world. They can open up a world of pain on the people lobbing missiles at them and yet they haven't. They could go scorched earth but they don't. Unfortunately they can't afford a nuclear Iran. Their lives depend on it. It's going to get hot over there and bodies are going to burn.

I'll be on my pontoon boat when it happens so I'll have to catch it on the 10 o'clock news.

 

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If Mexico was lobbing missiles into the US you think things would be any different?

Israel has been the most reserved nation in the world. They can open up a world of pain on the people lobbing missiles at them and yet they haven't.


They haven't? laugh

 

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oh oh a fight - I wonder if Sanfear or cabby will win moronic idiot of the thread...

 

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Peace for Israel and Palestine would be easy...Nuke Jerusalem until there's nothing else than crater left of that place. That way Israel and Palestine will stop fighting over it.

 

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Peace for Israel and Palestine would be easy...Nuke Jerusalem until there's nothing else than crater left of that place. That way Israel and Palestine will stop fighting over it.


Palestine isn't fighting for Jerusalem. They just want their land back and for the Israeli's to stop bulldozing their houses and occupying their lands...

 

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Peace for Israel and Palestine would be easy...Nuke Jerusalem until there's nothing else than crater left of that place. That way Israel and Palestine will stop fighting over it.




thats Mahmoud Ahmadinejad plain and looks like a lot of you would rejoice under sharia law

 

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Testerion posted:
Peace for Israel and Palestine would be easy...Nuke Jerusalem until there's nothing else than crater left of that place. That way Israel and Palestine will stop fighting over it.




thats Mahmoud Ahmadinejad plain and looks like a lot of you would rejoice under sharia law
Only people pushing for anything remotely similar to Sharia Law in the US are Republicans...

I bet if they manage to keep a majority in the house, take a few seats in the Senate and win the White House, they will remove the right for women to vote before the next election...


What that has to do with Palestinians and Israeli's is beyond me though...

 

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If Mexico was lobbing missiles into the US you think things would be any different?

Israel has been the most reserved nation in the world. They can open up a world of pain on the people lobbing missiles at them and yet they haven't.


They haven't? laugh


No laugh

 

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If Mexico was lobbing missiles into the US you think things would be any different?

Israel has been the most reserved nation in the world. They can open up a world of pain on the people lobbing missiles at them and yet they haven't.


They haven't? laugh


No laugh


OK laugh

 

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I don't blame Obama. I blame the mindless morons who support the Arab cause on matter what the facts.


Who is supporting the Arab cause?

 

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Yeah, let's see. Israel assassinated some dude because they claimed he hated them


that's a pretty gross distortion - they took out someone who was a militant leader, and he wasn't organizing people throwing stones, he was involved with splinter groups who have kept up with the rocket attacks even when Hamas themselves have refrained.

 

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[quote=cabbyman]If Mexico was lobbing missiles into the US you think things would be any different?

Israel has been the most reserved nation in the world. They can open up a world of pain on the people lobbing missiles at them and yet they haven't.


They haven't? laugh


No laugh


OK laugh [/quote]

You're welcome laugh

 

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[quote=bstulic][quote=cabbyman]If Mexico was lobbing missiles into the US you think things would be any different?

Israel has been the most reserved nation in the world. They can open up a world of pain on the people lobbing missiles at them and yet they haven't.


They haven't? laugh


No laugh


OK laugh [/quote]

You're welcome laugh [/quote]

Am I? laugh

 

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They assassinated an elected leader of a political organization by sending missile carrying drones into Gaza and blowing him up, along with his driver, while he drove down the street. They also blew the hell out of the street, injured a couple of other people (one critically) and started a crap storm which resulted in a bunch of useless rockets being fired into Israel, most of which were shot down, and none of which killed anyone.

Israel followed their assassination up with helicopter gunships, and jet fighter attacks on positions they claim were going to attack them, killing a bunch of kids in the process.

That isn't a "gross distortion"...that's the facts.

If you are in favor of political assassinations as "deterrent" that's your right, but I find it hard to believe you support assassinations but draw the line at people daring to attempt to futilely respond to them. I mean, if some idiot from Gaza blew up a bus with an Israeli politician on it, you would surely condemn any attempt by Israel to retaliate....right? Just to be consistent? Maybe?

Thought not.

 

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/shrug. we have different opinions of which facts are relevant. there's a lot more to him than just being an elected party official, and to me you're giving them pass for the nonstop rocket attacks.

although you can have the last word, or whatever. it's a beautiful evening here and not really feeling the same tired discussions over and over again.

 

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Israel can take care of itself now

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Me either. You've been defending Israel no matter what since this board started. I Don't expect it to change now. It's a difference of opinion we are never going to agree on. Enjoy your evening. It's raining here but still nice and warm.

 

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eh. i'm less pro-Israel nowadays than you might give me credit for especially on the settlements although i'm just as frustrated by people who make excuses for rocket attacks no matter what. anyway, i'm still hopeful for a two state solution, but realistically don't see it happening in this generation.

 

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The thing is the settlements were built with US dollars. This really is horrible

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Only difference between Iran and Israel is that one is Islamic theocracy and one Judaist Theocracy

 

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Most people in Israel are secular. The people living in the settlements are all religious fundamentalists. The Israelis themselves worry about the people living in the settlements

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Most people in Israel are secular. The people living in the settlements are all religious fundamentalists. The Israelis themselves worry about the people living in the settlements

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The situation is more complicated than either party is making out.

Targeted assassinations are a long-standing party of Israel's military policy and they are very problematic, mainly because they arn't actually targeted.

 

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The situation is more complicated than either party is making out.

Targeted assassinations are a long-standing party of Israel's military policy and they are very problematic, mainly because they arn't actually targeted.


Is that worse than randomly firing missiles into populated areas or strapping bombs to kids to blow up other kids?

If Israel stopped retaliating the missiles would continue regardless. This has already been tried.

If the missiles stopped Israel wouldn't retaliate. This has never been tried.

 

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Arab 'civilization' has devolved to the point that they hardly count as human anymore and the Palestinians make the rest of them look first world.

I can't muster up any 'care' no matter what Israel does to sub-humans.

 

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If Hamas, as an elected body, won't arrest these terrorist group leaders are they really a government?

 

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If Hamas, as an elected body, won't arrest these terrorist group leaders are they really a government?


Israel didn't arrest terrorists that killed UN envoy. Quite the contrary, they made one of them prime minister.
Are they really a government?

 

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The US has to stop getting into everyones business.

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The US has to stop getting into everyones business.

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You can't afford that

 

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Its a mess. I can understand an aggressive defense but America cant afford all these wars now

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Its a mess. I can understand an aggressive defense but America cant afford all these wars now

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You don't get it...you HAVE to wage wars for your economy to work grin

 

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seethings damn icon sucks the will to say anything meaning full right out of me!

 

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Israel has absolutely zero interest in solving the Israeli/Palestinian conflict because they enjoy being a police state. That is how they justify having secret nukes(conspthiracy theory???) and receiving half a trillion dollars a year in military aid from the US.

In order to be a successful police state, it is necessary to have someone always there to police.

 

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Israel has absolutely zero interest in solving the Israeli/Palestinian conflict because they enjoy being a police state.


and that's where we cross over into silly territory... although one thing i think most of actually do agree on is that blue_arrow is a tool.

 

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palestinians launch 100's of rockets a year at israel every year- reaction from the left? YAWN.
israel launches one rocket at a palestinian- OMG TEH EVIL!!!TEH EVIL!!!! HOW DARE THEY!!!!


it's like someone sticking their privates into a hornet's nest, then blaming the hornets when they get stung.

 

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Israel has absolutely zero interest in solving the Israeli/Palestinian conflict because they enjoy being a police state.


and that's where we cross over into silly territory...
If they had any interest in solving this - they would stop taking over more land, they would stop occupying Palestine, They would stop bulldozing villages, basically if they were interested in solving this issue they never would have started it...

 

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it's like someone sticking their privates into a hornet's nest, then blaming the hornets when they get stung.
Well maybe Israel should stop putting their penis into a hornets nest...

 

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yes, yes... it's all Israel's fault. if it weren't for them, there would be a glorious two state solution in place.

like i said: silly

 

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It's always Israel's fault! No matter what happens blame Israel!

 

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Israel has absolutely zero interest in solving the Israeli/Palestinian conflict because they enjoy being a police state. That is how they justify having secret nukes(conspthiracy theory???) and receiving half a trillion dollars a year in military aid from the US.

In order to be a successful police state, it is necessary to have someone always there to police.





so what you are saying if the Palestinians would stop shooting rockets there would be no reason to police the Palestinians, so its 100% Palestinians fault why Palestinians get their ass kicked

 

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B_Shinkicker posted:
Israel has absolutely zero interest in solving the Israeli/Palestinian conflict because they enjoy being a police state. That is how they justify having secret nukes(conspthiracy theory???) and receiving half a trillion dollars a year in military aid from the US.

In order to be a successful police state, it is necessary to have someone always there to police.





so what you are saying if the Palestinians would stop shooting rockets there would be no reason to police the Palestinians, so its 100% Palestinians fault why Palestinians get their ass kicked
Pretty sure what he's saying is that everyone deserves the right to defend themselves and their property.


To get pissed off at people for trying to defend themselves is just effing stupid.

Laughing at their attempts to defend themselves - yeah, I'm 100% with ya there - they are so over matched it's not even funny, pretty pathetic actually...


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Peace for Israel and Palestine would be easy...Nuke Jerusalem until there's nothing else than crater left of that place. That way Israel and Palestine will stop fighting over it.


Palestine isn't fighting for Jerusalem. They just want their land back and for the Israeli's to stop bulldozing their houses and occupying their lands...


Thats far from the truth...They have turned down offers for peace which included getting a large portion of the land they lost when they attacked Israel and that wasn't good enough . They want unrestricted access to all of Israel including Jerusalem and the land they lost as the aggressors in an unjustified attack against the Israelis . which is just insane on multiple levels...Its pretty much like the Mexican drug cartels demanding the US give Texas back to them and demanding we allow all their trucks into our country with out inspection ....Ain't gonna happen.Palestinians are victims of the Iranian,Syrian and their own governments,Israel is just the cross the Palestinians have chosen to nail themselves too.

 

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Jesus Christ! 130 rockets? How many injured or killed?

 

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yes, yes... it's all Israel's fault. if it weren't for them, there would be a glorious two state solution in place.

like i said: silly



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folke_Bernadotte

 

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A country who is unlawfully occupying another is never in the right.. even less so when it's an oppressive apartheid quasi theocratic shit stain like Israel.

 

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Israel deserves to keep the disputed lands, they only took them when they were attacked by half the middle east.

 

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Israel deserves to keep the disputed lands, they only took them when they were attacked by half the middle east.



That is debunked a long ago...even wiki knows it...get your facts straight:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War

"After a period of high tension between Israel and its neighbors, the war began on June 5 with Israel launching surprise air strikes against Arab forces."


"At the commencement of hostilities, both Egypt and Israel announced that they had been attacked by the other country. Once it was established that Israel had struck first, the Israeli government claimed that it was a pre-emptive strike in the face of a planned invasion by the Arab countries. On the other hand, the Arab view was that it was an unjustified attack. In the leadup to the war, the United States advised Israel that America's military intelligence saw no signs of Egypt preparing to invade Israel."



Also, I really suggest you read link I posted earlier:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folke_Bernadotte

 

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They should keep them anyways.

 

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That is exactly what I am saying, Reese. You can googly eyes all you want, Garth, but what I said doesn't cross over into crazy territory at all. Israel is a trillion dollar nuclear first world power and an apartheid state. They have managed successfully to portray themselves as the innocent stomped on victim while using the half billion dollars a year they get from the United States to build the biggest military machine in the Middle East.

This is an amazing illusion they have delicately maintained for their own benefit, but it requires an ever existent outside threat to maintain. The second brilliant part of their illusion is that they've managed to completely de-fang and de-claw their outside threat while screaming that they're in ever imminent danger. This was very deftly done.

So now that Israel holds all of the cards, controls all of the land, controls all of the water, and initiates military strikes in their controlled ghettoes with United States purchased weapons, they scream bloody murder when those in the ghettoes dare catapult rocks over the walls in anger. Then they use this pathetic retaliation to justify more nuclear weapons and more US money to purchase more weapons to conduct more military strikes in response to the rocks flung over their walls....

and they count on good old obedient Americans to justify this endless profitable cycle....

 

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If Mexico was lobbing missiles into the US


If the US was killing Mexican leaders and civilians fist like Israel was doing to Palestine, would we not expect Mexico to be lobbing rockets at the very least?

Cabby seems to only want to focus on the response not the triggering event leading to the response

 

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A country who is unlawfully occupying another is never in the right.. even less so when it's an oppressive apartheid quasi theocratic shit stain like Israel.




Except it's not unlawful. If you're going to blame anyone, blame the Brits, and even the Nazis and Russians for their hand in creating Israel for persecuted Jews.

The intentions were good, and deserved. The powers that be at the time just didn't really care it would be marginalizing the Arabs in order to do it.

 

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palestinians launch 100's of rockets a year at israel every year


In respinse to Israel's constant violations of Palestinean territory.

It seems ugly wants to focus on the response to an incident instead of the instigator

 

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Its funny how people consider Israel shining beacon of freedom and democracy in middle-east when Israelis discriminate against nonjews every chance they get regardless are they citizens or not.

 

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cabbyman posted:
If Mexico was lobbing missiles into the US


If the US was killing Mexican leaders and civilians fist like Israel was doing to Palestine, would we not expect Mexico to be lobbing rockets at the very least?

Cabby seems to only want to focus on the response not the triggering event leading to the response


You have to look past last week or last month Brother. This has been going on for decades.

And Israel didn't start it.

 

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Actually...they did.

 

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OK, I will give you that they actually fired the first actual shot but from his own Wiki link...

Arab preparations
On the eve of the war, Egypt massed approximately 100,000 of its 160,000 troops in the Sinai, including all of its seven divisions (four infantry, two armored and one mechanized), four independent infantry brigades and four independent armored brigades. No fewer than a third of them were veterans of Egypt's intervention into the Yemen Civil War and another third were reservists. These forces had 950 tanks, 1,100 APCs and more than 1,000 artillery pieces.[30] At the same time some Egyptian troops (15,000–20,000) were still fighting in Yemen.[31][32][33] Nasser's ambivalence about his goals and objectives was reflected in his orders to the military. The general staff changed the operational plan four times in May 1967, each change requiring the redeployment of troops, with the inevitable toll on both men and vehicles. Towards the end of May, Nasser finally forbade the general staff from proceeding with the Qahir ("Victory") plan, which called for a light infantry screen in the forward fortifications with the bulk of the forces held back to conduct a massive counterattack against the main Israeli advance when identified, and ordered a forward defense of the Sinai.[34] In the meantime, he continued to take actions intended to increase the level of mobilization of Egypt, Syria and Jordan, in order to bring pressure on Israel.
Syria's army had a total strength of 75,000 and amassed them along the Syrian border.[35] Jordan's army had 55,000 troops[36] and 300 tanks along the Jordanian border, 250 of which were U.S. M48 Patton, sizable amounts of M113 APCs, a new battalion of mechanized infantry, and a paratrooper battalion trained in the new U.S.-built school. They also had 12 battalions of artillery and six batteries of 81 mm and 120 mm mortars.[37]
Documents captured by the Israelis from various Jordanian command posts record orders from the end of May for the Hashemite Brigade to capture Ramot Burj Bir Mai'in in a night raid, codenamed "Operation Khaled". The aim was to establish a bridgehead together with positions in Latrun for an armored capture of Lod and Ramle. The "go" codeword was Sa'ek and end was Nasser. The Jordanians planned for the capture of Motza and Sha'alvim in the strategic Jerusalem Corridor. Motza was tasked to Infantry Brigade 27 camped near Ma'ale Adummim: "The reserve brigade will commence a nighttime infiltration onto Motza, will destroy it to the foundation, and won't leave a remnant or refugee from among its 800 residents".[37]
100 Iraqi tanks and an infantry division were readied near the Jordanian border. Two squadrons of fighter-aircraft, Hawker Hunters and MiG 21, were rebased adjacent to the Jordanian border.[37]
On June 2, Jordan called up all reserve officers, and the West Bank commander met with community leaders in Ramallah to request assistance and cooperation for his troops during the war, assuring them that "in three days we'll be in Tel-Aviv".[37]
The Arab air forces were aided by volunteer pilots from the Pakistan Air Force acting in independent capacity, and by some aircraft from Libya, Algeria, Morocco, Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia to make up for the massive losses suffered on the first day of the war.[38]

 

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Actually...they did.




This, the government of Israel has been nothing but a habitual provocateur in this conflict. They have no interest in peace and are happy to continue the same slow path of genocide that was practiced in them over 60 years ago

 

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So the armies from five other countries are mobilizing on your border and screaming for your death and you're supposed to just wait them out.

You guys are plum loco! laugh

Face it. Israel pwnd the Arabs in the face and the Arabs have been cry about it for the last five decades! laugh

You Jew haters need to give it a rest. angry

 

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Well, it kind of did start the whole thing. A bunch of zionists moved in and bought up land from absentee landowners and tried to turn it into their own country. Of course absentee landowners couldn't sell them the rights to create their own country.

It would be sorta like 20 million mexicans buying up half of california's private land from private landowners and then saying they were going to create their own country. Then throw in that most of the ownerse of that land lived in New York and never visited California and the tenants got thrown off the land by the new owners.

When you look at the history of Jewish-Arab relations in Palestine things were pretty peaceful until around 1910 or so, when the real influx of zionists began.

The history of Israel is not a simple thing you can describe in black and white and good and evil.

Your problem is you are trying to start the story in 1945 instead of when it needs to start in about 1880.

 

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Israel has absolutely zero interest in solving the Israeli/Palestinian conflict because they enjoy being a police state.


and that's where we cross over into silly territory... although one thing i think most of actually do agree on is that blue_arrow is a tool.




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Its funny how people consider Israel shining beacon of freedom and democracy in middle-east when Israelis discriminate against nonjews every chance they get regardless are they citizens or not.




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Its funny how people consider Israel shining beacon of freedom and democracy in middle-east when Israelis discriminate against nonjews every chance they get regardless are they citizens or not.




doh! Where do you people get this crap? laugh


Testerion has never spoken with a black person. He is like Europe's version of an Appalachian hillbilly with no teeth from too much mountain dew. I would take what he says with a big grain of salt.

Israel does discriminate against non-Jews, though, to some extent. The most notorious example being how Jews and non-Jews arn't allowed to marry eachother in Israel.

 

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Its funny how people consider Israel shining beacon of freedom and democracy in middle-east when Israelis discriminate against nonjews every chance they get regardless are they citizens or not.




doh! Where do you people get this crap? laugh


Testerion has never spoken with a black person. He is like Europe's version of an Appalachian hillbilly with no teeth from too much mountain dew. I would take what he says with a big grain of salt.

Israel does discriminate against non-Jews, though, to some extent. The most notorious example being how Jews and non-Jews arn't allowed to marry eachother in Israel.




Not to forget different licence plates for Jews and non-jews, Rabbis officially ordering their followers not to rent Israeli land to gentiles, Israeli government not acknoweledging religious sites of non-jew origin as government sanctioned holy sites...Israeli companies are allowed legally advertise "100% hebrew labor", "law of return" only applies to white jews, National Sports teams often refusing nonjew athletes over the fear of their fans abandoning them...etc etc

 

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I'm not anti-Israel, I'm anti bombing the hell out of occupied people then complaining when they throw rocks at you in response.
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This thread is still going? And Israel are the bad guys? blahaha you guys are morons. You might not agree with them but they arent in the wrong. They have every right to defend themselves.

 

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They have every right to defend themselves.
Do the Palestines also have that right?

 

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They need a home. Where they reside now isn't theirs.

 

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This thread is still going? And Israel are the bad guys? blahaha you guys are morons. You might not agree with them but they arent in the wrong. They have every right to defend themselves.



The very moment in which anything you just said makes even a shred of sense I'm quite certain Jesus will walk the earth again.

 

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This thread is still going? And Israel are the bad guys? blahaha you guys are morons. You might not agree with them but they arent in the wrong. They have every right to defend themselves.



The very moment in which anything you just said makes even a shred of sense I'm quite certain Jesus will walk the earth again.


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This thread is still going? And Israel are the bad guys? blahaha you guys are morons. You might not agree with them but they arent in the wrong. They have every right to defend themselves.



The very moment in which anything you just said makes even a shred of sense I'm quite certain Jesus will walk the earth again.


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Israelis dont really get my sympathy by first playing the victim card and then bulldozing an palestinian school with kids inside to make room for new villa to some Jewish settler.

I'm not defending the Palestinians but us finns have saying "It takes two for tango" and yeah, world rarely is as black & white as some of you guys seem to think it is.



 

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Israelis killed a guy who saved more Jews than Schindler just because
for a moment they thought he will succeed to negotiate peace with
Palestinians.

Later they made one of assassins a prime minister

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They need a home. Where they reside now isn't theirs.
It's almost as if you are purposefully retarded...

 

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Well, it kind of did start the whole thing. A bunch of zionists moved in and bought up land from absentee landowners and tried to turn it into their own country. Of course absentee landowners couldn't sell them the rights to create their own country.
On the right track and why were they absentee owners?

Because Israel was invading the land with their military along the country side terrorizing and killing any Palestinians that tried to stand up to them...




In this day and age for any of you people to sit here and sympathize or apologize for what Israel has done is flat out pathetic. Pathetic in so many ways - and it truly highlights just how strong ignorance and laziness play apart in our domestic politics and our foreign policy...


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On the right track and why were they absentee owners?

Because Israel was invading the land with their military along the country side terrorizing and killing any Palestinians that tried to stand up to them...


um, no... they were absentee land owners because they largely lived in Egypt and Syria and thought they were getting rich off of suckers who were buying up land they considered useless. it was only when they started building something of value that they objected. they certainly didn't care about anyone living in the territories, then or now.

there's a reason that Egypt and Jordan don't want the territories back now, and there's also a reason why Jordan won't give them any of the land that historically they claim from their share.

 

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On the right track and why were they absentee owners?

Because Israel was invading the land with their military along the country side terrorizing and killing any Palestinians that tried to stand up to them...


um, no... they were absentee land owners because they largely lived in Egypt and Syria and thought they were getting rich off of suckers who were buying up land they considered useless. it was only when they started building something of value that they objected. they certainly didn't care about anyone living in the territories, then or now.

there's a reason that Egypt and Jordan don't want the territories back now, and there's also a reason why Jordan won't give them any of the land that historically they claim from their share.



Still, why killing Folke? You never answered that

 

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On the right track and why were they absentee owners?

Because Israel was invading the land with their military along the country side terrorizing and killing any Palestinians that tried to stand up to them...


um, no... they were absentee land owners because they largely lived in Egypt and Syria and thought they were getting rich off of suckers who were buying up land they considered useless. it was only when they started building something of value that they objected. they certainly didn't care about anyone living in the territories, then or now.

there's a reason that Egypt and Jordan don't want the territories back now, and there's also a reason why Jordan won't give them any of the land that historically they claim from their share.
You are effing retarded Garth...

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Still, why killing Folke? You never answered that


honestly i don't know much about it, but i can say without reservation that from i do know i think it's a dark chapter in Israel's early history. we could throw isolated specific historical incidents at each other all day, and that's part of what makes the threads boring to me lately.

what i do care about is seeing a two state solution and end to the violence, which i think starts with reigning in the militants and extremists on both sides.

 

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In ideal world Israel would tear down the settlements from Palestinian areas, Hamas and co would stop lobbing rockets at Israel and Jerusalem would be made UN governed city state with guaranteed access to all three sides that consider the city holy.

 

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In ideal world Israel would tear down the settlements from Palestinian areas, Hamas and co would stop lobbing rockets at Israel and Jerusalem would be made UN governed city state with guaranteed access to all three sides that consider the city holy.




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what i do care about is seeing a two state solution and end to the violence

There will be a 2 state solution. And the temple will be put on a sharing arrangement. A charismatic man will accomplish all this. He will also turn out to be the anti christ. Who will make a covenant with israel for 7 years and in the middle he will break it. Read the scriptures. It will happen. There is no need to know what will or wont happen with israel. Its all there. The question isnt if but when. When is what we dont know. We know what will happen but not when or who will make it happen. It hasnt been revealed just yet. But soon.

 

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Whats the word for an Israeli supremacist?


no idea, but what's the word for a troll who's trying too hard and failing? thinking

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what i do care about is seeing a two state solution and end to the violence

There will be a 2 state solution. And the temple will be put on a sharing arrangement. A charismatic man will accomplish all this. He will also turn out to be the anti christ. Who will make a covenant with israel for 7 years and in the middle he will break it. Read the scriptures. It will happen. There is no need to know what will or wont happen with israel. Its all there. The question isnt if but when. When is what we dont know. We know what will happen but not when or who will make it happen. It hasnt been revealed just yet. But soon.
laugh


And you wonder why people think you are effing bat shit crazy!

 

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How about this, if Palestine can stop all terrorist and rocket attacks for a years straight then the two state solution will be implemented?

 

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How about this, if Palestine can stop all terrorist and rocket attacks for a years straight then the two state solution will be implemented?


Ah, old chicken/egg question...or, who will stop first

 

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Whats the word for an Israeli supremacist?


Jewperman?

 

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How about this, if Palestine can stop all terrorist and rocket attacks for a years straight then the two state solution will be implemented?
So they have to ignore the apartheid, ignore the random killing, house bull dozing, ignore everything that Israel is doing and just sit there and take it for an entire year - and then Israel will think about giving all the land back that they have out right stolen?


yeah - like that's gonna happen...

Palestinians would all be dead if the world gave Israel a free pass for a year, eff that!

 

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Israel gave back most of land from 67 to make peace with Egypt (again, there was a reason Egypt didn't want Gaza back then, any more than they want it back now). more recently when Israel left Gaza and Hamas proceeded to take control in an extremely violent conflict of their own what happened? violence escalated.

if you care at all about the plight of the Palestinians, you have to consider the role and failurs of the Palestinian leadership.

 

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How about this, if Palestine can stop all terrorist and rocket attacks for a years straight then the two state solution will be implemented?
So they have to ignore the apartheid, ignore the random killing, house bull dozing, ignore everything that Israel is doing and just sit there and take it for an entire year - and then Israel will think about giving all the land back that they have out right stolen?


yeah - like that's gonna happen...

Palestinians would all be dead if the world gave Israel a free pass for a year, eff that!


That is so cute, you think the terrorists and rockets are all that is keeping Israel from wiping Palestine off the map.

 

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i bet you know how it feels to go without firing rockets.
why do you hate Palestine?

 

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If that was the US we wouldve kicked their butt long ago

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if you care at all about the plight of the Palestinians, you have to consider the role and failurs of the Palestinian leadership.



Like the failure to hit an incoming F-16 with a rock?

 

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And you wonder why people think you are effing bat shit crazy

I dont really wonder at all to tell you the truth. Frankly I can care less if you think I'm crazy. I feel the same sometimes about you guys. Neither opinion really makes a difference in the scheme of things.

 

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Whats the word for an Israeli supremacist?


Zionist

 

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And you wonder why people think you are effing bat shit crazy

I dont really wonder at all to tell you the truth. Frankly I can care less if you think I'm crazy. I feel the same sometimes about you guys. Neither opinion really makes a difference in the scheme of things.


this is actually making your lose your mind.
this is a good place for thet.

 

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what i do care about is seeing a two state solution and end to the violence

There will be a 2 state solution. And the temple will be put on a sharing arrangement. A charismatic man will accomplish all this. He will also turn out to be the anti christ. Who will make a covenant with israel for 7 years and in the middle he will break it. Read the scriptures. It will happen. There is no need to know what will or wont happen with israel. Its all there. The question isnt if but when. When is what we dont know. We know what will happen but not when or who will make it happen. It hasnt been revealed just yet. But soon.


Norse Mythology predicts Fimbulwinter followed by Ragnarok. It's actually a lot more likely than your mythology.

 

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I feel sorry for most people in the area who have to suffer because of this, but generally both sides are 100% responsible and get what they're asking for.

 

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I feel sorry for most people in the area who have to suffer because of this, but generally both sides are 100% responsible and get what they're asking for.


This.

Except for feeling sorry for the people since a helluva lot of them either indirectly support or actively rally in support of some retarded side or another over there. (Yes, the word retarded is intentionally used).

It's why I don't participate in these threads beyond a random drive-by. The whole broth of fundy idiocy and "no u" ism over there is the kind of thing a mentally challenged 7 year old would dream up.

 

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Mastara posted:
what i do care about is seeing a two state solution and end to the violence

There will be a 2 state solution. And the temple will be put on a sharing arrangement. A charismatic man will accomplish all this. He will also turn out to be the anti christ. Who will make a covenant with israel for 7 years and in the middle he will break it. Read the scriptures. It will happen. There is no need to know what will or wont happen with israel. Its all there. The question isnt if but when. When is what we dont know. We know what will happen but not when or who will make it happen. It hasnt been revealed just yet. But soon.


Norse Mythology predicts Fimbulwinter followed by Ragnarok. It's actually a lot more likely than your mythology.


/norse_viking_five!

 

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what i do care about is seeing a two state solution and end to the violence

There will be a 2 state solution. And the temple will be put on a sharing arrangement. A charismatic man will accomplish all this. He will also turn out to be the anti christ. Who will make a covenant with israel for 7 years and in the middle he will break it. Read the scriptures. It will happen. There is no need to know what will or wont happen with israel. Its all there. The question isnt if but when. When is what we dont know. We know what will happen but not when or who will make it happen. It hasnt been revealed just yet. But soon.



Really? doh!


And you're wondering about the rest of us being crazy?

 

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Mastara doesn't understand that the string pullers of the world knew about the Christian Bible's account of the end times. That's why they named Israel Israel. Making world events seem like the Biblical end times makes an entire group of religious people endure what is being done to them because they think it's supposed to be happening.


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Mastara doesn't understand that the string pullers of the world knew about the Christian Bible's account of the end times. That's why they named Israel Israel. Making world events seem like the Biblical end times makes an entire group of religious people endure what is being done to them because they think it's supposed to be happening.


doh! doh!

that's not why Israel was named Israel. where do you guys come up with this stuff? at least we have both sides of the silly sides of this debate represented.

 

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Ummm... Garthy. We've had this talk before. There was never any such thing as a country called Israel before it was created by a body of men who were all about manipulating religious dogma. In Judaism Israel is not a place its a people. In the Bible Israel is not a place its a people. It's as much a "Place" as would be a country called Heaven. Any Rabbi will tell you that the creation of a "place" called Israel was specifically forbade by God. I look forward to you ignoring that ugly fact as you call me antisemitic.

 

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i've never called you antisemitic, Ill. wrong and deliberately ignorant maybe, but not antisemitic.

the number of posters on this board who are actually antisemitic could be counted on one hand. twice.

 

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Oh!


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i also think you'd get a lot of variety in your responses from rabbis on ANY topic (it's like they live to debate any possible question), but even disregarding the biblical kingdom or any interpretation of the bible regarding the name - i don't think it changes the current fact that there is a nation called Israel, and i also don't think that for there to be any way forward for the Palestinian people they need a nation of their own as well (similar to your point the term "Palestine" not really having a nationalistic context prior to 1967, ultimately it doesn't matter - there's a demand and a need for it now.)

arguing that there shouldn't be a country called Israel, while it might be an interesting academic discussion it's not one that is likely to lead to any real resolution of the conflict which is all i really care about at this point. i've increasingly become a fan of the J Street organization (http://jstreet.org/), although i'm sure they're just another tentacle in the vast zionist conspiracy octopus, amirite? wink

 

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illmyrin posted:
Ummm... Garthy. We've had this talk before. There was never any such thing as a country called Israel before it was created by a body of men who were all about manipulating religious dogma. In Judaism Israel is not a place its a people. In the Bible Israel is not a place its a people. It's as much a "Place" as would be a country called Heaven. Any Rabbi will tell you that the creation of a "place" called Israel was specifically forbade by God. I look forward to you ignoring that ugly fact as you call me antisemitic.


This is totally incorrect btw. Read the torah over again, and talk to a sane Rabbi.

 

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Kjarhall posted:
illmyrin posted:
Ummm... Garthy. We've had this talk before. There was never any such thing as a country called Israel before it was created by a body of men who were all about manipulating religious dogma. In Judaism Israel is not a place its a people. In the Bible Israel is not a place its a people. It's as much a "Place" as would be a country called Heaven. Any Rabbi will tell you that the creation of a "place" called Israel was specifically forbade by God. I look forward to you ignoring that ugly fact as you call me antisemitic.


This is totally incorrect btw. Read the torah over again, and talk to a sane Rabbi.


that too.

 

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So Jews are not ordered to remain in exile until the Holy one gathers them? I learned most of what I know about Judaism from studying Joel Teitelbaum's stuff. Is he considered to have been insane?

 

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So Jews are not ordered to remain in exile until the Holy one gathers them? I learned most of what I know about Judaism from studying Joel Teitelbaum's stuff. Is he considered to have been insane?


doh! doh! doh!

seriously?

at the very least, i'd suggest you consider broadening your primary sources of information.

just sayin'...

 

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Isaiah 43

Do not be afraid, for I am with you; I will bring your children from the east and gather you from the west.

I will say to the north, `Give them up!’ and to the south, `Do not hold them back.’ Bring my sons from afar and my daughters from the ends of the earth-


In Isaiah 43:5-6, the prophet said that the people of Israel would return to their homeland from the east, the west, the north and the south. Isaiah lived 2700 years ago. Beginning at that time, a succession of empires conquered the land of Israel and forced many into exile. This led to a worldwide scattering of Jews. But, during the past century, millions have returned to Israel.-

Jeremiah 23:3-6

“I myself will gather the remnant of my flock out of all the countries where I have driven them and will bring them back to their pasture, where they will be fruitful and increase in number. I will place shepherds over them who will tend them, and they will no longer be afraid or terrified, nor will any be missing,” declares the Lord. “The days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will raise up to David a righteous Branch, a King who will reign wisely and do what is just and right in the land. In his days Judah will be saved and Israel will live in safety. This is the name by which he will be called: The Lord Our Righteousness.

basically...jews returning to israel is seen as first step to the end of times.

 

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It always amuses me when someone that doesn't believe starts quoting bible passages.

 

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It always amuses me when someone that doesn't believe starts quoting bible passages.


The Great tribulation is biblical event

 

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Testerion posted:
basically...jews returning to israel is seen as first step to the end of times.
Who's great idea was it to stop Hitler then?


WTF are we doing as a country? We are responsible for starting the end times!!!


OY VEY!!!

 

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