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Topic: Even former Mossad chief is against war with Iran.

Fallen_daemon Posts: 54,593 Registered: Jul 28, '01 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 53,783 User ID: 285,476	Subject: Even former Mossad chief is against war with Iran.
	A few minutes with a Mossad chief Meir Dagan appeared Sunday on the popular US program and political sounding board 60 Minutes, where he took on Netanyahu and much of the US and Israeli right, albeit obliquely. The interview was interspersed with photos and anecdotes establishing Dagan's strong military and security credentials and his likely association with a number of assassinations across the Middle East. He had already spoken out last year against war with Iran, calling it "the stupidest thing I have ever heard". The former Mossad chief noted, with some qualifications, the "rationality" of the Iranian leadership. Dagan is not lecturing the American public on Cartesian philosophy or game theory. He is breaking with Israelis and Americans who claim - perhaps even believe - that Iran is ruled by crazed clerics intent on ending the world who cannot be deterred from using nuclear arms. Mutually assured destruction, Dagan believes, can be obtained in the Middle East. It was the basis of the US-USSR standoff for many decades, which kept conflict in check until the fall of the communist regime. Dagan has followed relations with Iran for decades. He knows that Israel had strong ties with Iran under the shah and also for many years after the mullahs came to power in 1979, as Israel helped in the long war against Iraq (1980-88). The breakdown in relations did not come from a change in ideology or policy in Tehran; it came from a political shift in Jerusalem that, following the destruction of Saddam's army in the First Gulf War, suddenly - and perhaps erroneously - saw Iran as unchecked and dangerous. Iran soon became an enemy. http://atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/NC13Ak01.html -----signature----- Fight white guilt and injustice by going to a Native American casino and gamble your money away. me pic http://acf.curbjaw.com/armchair.htm Formerly known as :armchair warrior, sysphus, fallen_deamon http://www.facebook.com/help/contact.php?show_form
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Reapist Title: Official ACF HIOFI Poster Posts: 74,991 Registered: Dec 20, '01 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 74,235 User ID: 559,475	Subject: Even former Mossad chief is against war with Iran.
	This goes way back to the best lesson my worst boss ever taught me, and it was a good lesson. He said, rather bluntly, "Reality is not as important as perception." I too do not believe the leadership in Iran is crazy. But, it only matters what the world believes. -----signature----- pkhere: Jebus sometimes you make my arse tired. Referring to illegal aliens as 'immigrants' is the same as referring to shoplifters as 'shoppers' - Dorvinion I'd feel bad for Satriani but he got himself into it. - allmightybob_MLF
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Aerlinthian Posts: 66,222 Registered: May 7, '01 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 65,491 User ID: 94,919	Subject: Even former Mossad chief is against war with Iran.
	Article posted: Meir Dagan appeared Sunday on the popular US program and political sounding board 60 Minutes, where he took on Netanyahu and much of the US and Israeli right, albeit obliquely. The neocons were born out of the left, not the right. When your entire government is left, people mistake certain aspects of it for the right. You could practically count on one hand who the real right is, in government. -----signature----- (none)
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Fallen_daemon Posts: 54,593 Registered: Jul 28, '01 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 53,783 User ID: 285,476	Subject: Even former Mossad chief is against war with Iran.
	right left all the same. -----signature----- Fight white guilt and injustice by going to a Native American casino and gamble your money away. me pic http://acf.curbjaw.com/armchair.htm Formerly known as :armchair warrior, sysphus, fallen_deamon http://www.facebook.com/help/contact.php?show_form
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