Former_Camilla posted:

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No because it takes away a more important part of growing up, making friends and learning social lessons.

I don't believe you get the same opportunity schooling at home.

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GrimTempest posted:

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Former_Camilla posted:

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No because it takes away a more important part of growing up, making friends and learning social lessons.

I don't believe you get the same opportunity schooling at home.

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do you really think school is the only way for kids to get out and socialize?

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combat_mage_sc posted:

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That making friends and learning to socialize is a BS excuse.

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purplehugmonkey posted:

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I think a private education is better than both public school and home schooling.

I do support home schooling over public when feasible, it's just a lot of work. The materials also vary quite a bit, so I think you can miss out on some fundamentals that maybe individual teaching parents don't care to cover.

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jeune posted:

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No.

I think that school is an important part of social development for kids. Your kid might learn more at home but they are missing an important development tool... you need to learn how to interact with people from different backgrounds.

I see no reason why you cannot challenge your kid at home and also send them to school.

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_Alexandra_ posted:

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jeune posted:

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No.

I think that school is an important part of social development for kids. Your kid might learn more at home but they are missing an important development tool... you need to learn how to interact with people from different backgrounds.

I see no reason why you cannot challenge your kid at home and also send them to school.

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There are TONS of ways to get socialization.

I am currently homeschooling my 4 year old for preschool. He gets his socialization at karate, the library, the science museum, the park, etc. I homeschooled my eldest for pre-k and Kindergarten. She went in to 1st grade 8 months ahead of others who went to school.

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Former_Camilla posted:

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GrimTempest posted:

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Former_Camilla posted:

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No because it takes away a more important part of growing up, making friends and learning social lessons.

I don't believe you get the same opportunity schooling at home.

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do you really think school is the only way for kids to get out and socialize?

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Of course not, however the opportunity is greater. Don't be silly

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V_the_Warder posted:

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My employer was home schooled and it's easy to tell. Socially inept.

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-Mithan- posted:

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If its done right, then I accept it.
If its done wrong (like a lot of people do it) then no.

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Darwynnia posted:

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If the parents are qualified to teach their children, I'm fine with it.

Otherwise, I'm not.

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Darwynnia posted:

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If the parents are qualified to teach their children, I'm fine with it.

Otherwise, I'm not.

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Aerlinthian posted:

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Another great thing about cramped government indoctrination rooms is that your kids can new and exciting viruses from other kids!

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V_the_Warder posted:

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My employer was home schooled and it's easy to tell. Socially inept.

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Fozzie_Bear posted:

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the funny thing is, as socially inept as you find your employer, hes signing your checks. you work for him.

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GrimTempest posted:

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its just i've heard that argument against home schooling before and its never made sense to me. very little useful socializing goes on during school hours, most of it is lessons, tests, reading etc. and out of what socializing does go on alot of it is cliques and bullying. what little kids lose out on in socializing during school hours seems pretty slim compared to the benefits of home schooling.

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Aerlinthian posted:

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Fozzie_Bear posted:

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the funny thing is, as socially inept as you find your employer, hes signing your checks. you work for him.

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TheNinthSeal posted:

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GrimTempest posted:

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its just i've heard that argument against home schooling before and its never made sense to me. very little useful socializing goes on during school hours, most of it is lessons, tests, reading etc. and out of what socializing does go on alot of it is cliques and bullying. what little kids lose out on in socializing during school hours seems pretty slim compared to the benefits of home schooling.

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Soooo.... it's bad for kids to realize that people are cliquish and often bullies? Socialization doesn't just mean having you kids play happily on the see-saw. It means learning how to deal with the world outside and who it contains that you will likely come in contact with. So yes, that means learning to share, and all that good stuff, but it also means learning how to deal with bullies, the psychology behind bullying is pretty straightforward, it's not hard to deal with.

For me, I see no reason to home school my son Leng. I already spend the time with my kids reading to him, teaching him shapes colors and numbers and so on. When he can communicate with me better (schooling age) I will be teaching him so much on a daily basis. Far more than the average home schooling or public education. This is not me pulling for a father-of-the-year nod, it's just that I am nerdy, teaching interests me, I love seeing his mind grow and so on. It's enjoyable for me. It's not like you CAN'T home school your kids if they go to public schools, so it's the best of both worlds. But on the other side of the coin, I have a really close knit family, there are alot of kids around, and I have a bunch of friends with kids, and all fairly bright. That's a ton of socialization, so there is also clearly no reason to send him to public schools... /Vizzini off. I guess what I am saying is, if youre a good and attentive parent, you can't go wrong.

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Gaevren posted:

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Cliques and bullying happen in the neighborhood and in other settings beyond school. Heck even in families sometimes! School isn't necessary for that kind of exposure. Just sayin!

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Aerlinthian posted:

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I was homeschooled.

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Cuttlery posted:

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Absolutely not. I went to college and have had to work with a pile of homeschooled religo nuts. Some of the most socially inept people I have ever met.

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Fozzie_Bear posted:

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yes I do

as far as social lessons, there are usually other kids in the home schooling environment.

V_the_Warder posted:

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My employer was home schooled and it's easy to tell. Socially inept.

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the funny thing is, as socially inept as you find your employer, hes signing your checks. you work for him.

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Gaevren posted:

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Darwynnia posted:

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If the parents are qualified to teach their children, I'm fine with it.

Otherwise, I'm not.

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What do you think makes a parent qualified vs. not?

Virtually none of the homeschooling parents in the US hold teaching degrees and yet successfully educate their children, for instance.

edit: and by successfully I mean they excel not only on standardized tests such as the SATs and ACTs, but are more and more being welcomed by colleges (and sometimes actively recruited) and are excelling there as well.

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jeune posted:

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No.

I think that school is an important part of social development for kids. Your kid might learn more at home but they are missing an important development tool... you need to learn how to interact with people from different backgrounds.

I see no reason why you cannot challenge your kid at home and also send them to school.

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Jezza_Belle posted:

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you don't have to be around other people your own age to learn social skills.

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combat_mage_sc posted:

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Bunch of recluse internet nerds worrying about the social skills of the home schooled.

lol!

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JoAyanami posted:

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Jezza_Belle posted:

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you don't have to be around other people your own age to learn social skills.

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qft
-Jo

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JD_HOGG posted:

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jeune posted:

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No.

I think that school is an important part of social development for kids. Your kid might learn more at home but they are missing an important development tool... you need to learn how to interact with people from different backgrounds.

I see no reason why you cannot challenge your kid at home and also send them to school.

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In fact, that's probably what every parent should do. You can't teach your kids how to interact with other people by home schooling. They have to learn to deal with other people that aren't hand-picked by mom and dad.

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Darwynnia posted:

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Gaevren posted:

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Darwynnia posted:

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If the parents are qualified to teach their children, I'm fine with it.

Otherwise, I'm not.

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What do you think makes a parent qualified vs. not?

Virtually none of the homeschooling parents in the US hold teaching degrees and yet successfully educate their children, for instance.

edit: and by successfully I mean they excel not only on standardized tests such as the SATs and ACTs, but are more and more being welcomed by colleges (and sometimes actively recruited) and are excelling there as well.

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A qualified parent is one who understands the material they are teaching to their children; i.e. they themselves have an education/knowledge/familiarity with the subject which is above that of the material they are attempting to teach to their children.

You cannot expect to teach your child how to do calculus if you yourself do not understand it. The same goes for chemistry, physics and other sciences.

I had a family on my block that homeschooled; the father was Navy and out to sea all the time while the mother 'homeschooled' their son. She had no real qualifications to do so as she herself hadn't graduated high school or received her GED. Her grammar was atrocious and she couldn't do basic math without a calculator.

She did her son no favors by homeschooling him.

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Gaevren posted:

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Darwynnia posted:

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Gaevren posted:

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[quote=Darwynnia]If the parents are qualified to teach their children, I'm fine with it.

Otherwise, I'm not.

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What do you think makes a parent qualified vs. not?

Virtually none of the homeschooling parents in the US hold teaching degrees and yet successfully educate their children, for instance.

edit: and by successfully I mean they excel not only on standardized tests such as the SATs and ACTs, but are more and more being welcomed by colleges (and sometimes actively recruited) and are excelling there as well.

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A qualified parent is one who understands the material they are teaching to their children; i.e. they themselves have an education/knowledge/familiarity with the subject which is above that of the material they are attempting to teach to their children.

You cannot expect to teach your child how to do calculus if you yourself do not understand it. The same goes for chemistry, physics and other sciences.

I had a family on my block that homeschooled; the father was Navy and out to sea all the time while the mother 'homeschooled' their son. She had no real qualifications to do so as she herself hadn't graduated high school or received her GED. Her grammar was atrocious and she couldn't do basic math without a calculator.

She did her son no favors by homeschooling him.

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myxomatosis8 posted:

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I'd consider it if I had the patience and time, to be honest.

Their school is fine though. They learn what they learn, plus at home I am free to teach them randomly about any little thing that comes up, stuff that keeps their interest. We even do some "remedial" French so they don't sound all Northern Ontario French (accent and vocabulary.)

If my kids didn't go to school, they'd socialize with no children, and not that many adults, either. I'm not the most sociable person in the world and it would be a chore for me to specifically have to drag them places just so they can interact with other human beings other than the grocery clerk or something.

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Caledric posted:

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Home schooling simply creates clones of the parents. The kids don't get to see other opinions and grow up to be fanatical and pig headed... As I said before, Homeschooling results in BTs.

I don't care how you try to spin it a home school kid will never be as diverse as a public school kid because you as a parent won't let them be in a situation where they might interact with a wanna be street thug. Karate class is not a suitable replacement for school, nor is the park or the grocery store or the skating rink where mom and dad are watching over them.

Also with homeschooling you are missing out in other major parts of the social environment that schools provide. Athletics, Band/Choir, and clubs. Your child will also miss out on Prom, Homecoming, and a real graduation. Finally, you are simply setting up your child for failure in college, unless you plan on making them do computer correspondence courses which would allow you to keep them at home and further corrupt their mind with YOUR views. Your child will not know how to react to a college class since you sheltered them from the large group learning environment that public school provides.

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Jezza_Belle posted:

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absolutely none of what you just posted is true of any of the home schooled people I know, with the exception of real graduation for a few of them. Athletics, Band/Choir, and Clubs all exist in the public sector outside of schools.

NOBODY is prepared to walk into a lecture hall with 300 other students as a Freshman in college, LOL.

There is this wonderful thing called the internet, it allows children to read, learn, and experience other people's opinions on matters such as politics, religion, morals etc.

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Caledric posted:

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Jezza_Belle posted:

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absolutely none of what you just posted is true of any of the home schooled people I know, with the exception of real graduation for a few of them. Athletics, Band/Choir, and Clubs all exist in the public sector outside of schools.

NOBODY is prepared to walk into a lecture hall with 300 other students as a Freshman in college, LOL.

There is this wonderful thing called the internet, it allows children to read, learn, and experience other people's opinions on matters such as politics, religion, morals etc.

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Cause you are going to let your child look at whatever they want on the internet right? No you are going to filter what they can see so they only believe what you want them to. As far as all the programs being available outside of school... lol the stuff outside of school are a JOKE compared to what the public schools offer. And honestly, there is nothing out there that will compare to public school Band/Choir programs... church is not an acceptable replacement.

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Caledric posted:

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Jezza_Belle posted:

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absolutely none of what you just posted is true of any of the home schooled people I know, with the exception of real graduation for a few of them. Athletics, Band/Choir, and Clubs all exist in the public sector outside of schools.

NOBODY is prepared to walk into a lecture hall with 300 other students as a Freshman in college, LOL.

There is this wonderful thing called the internet, it allows children to read, learn, and experience other people's opinions on matters such as politics, religion, morals etc.

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Cause you are going to let your child look at whatever they want on the internet right? No you are going to filter what they can see so they only believe what you want them to. As far as all the programs being available outside of school... lol the stuff outside of school are a JOKE compared to what the public schools offer. And honestly, there is nothing out there that will compare to public school Band/Choir programs... church is not an acceptable replacement.

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.Sylva. posted:

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I'm all for it - provided, as has been mentioned, that the one doing the home-schooling has a knowledge base above that of the children they're teaching.

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Caledric posted:

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Cause you are going to let your child look at whatever they want on the internet right? No you are going to filter what they can see so they only believe what you want them to. As far as all the programs being available outside of school... lol the stuff outside of school are a JOKE compared to what the public schools offer. And honestly, there is nothing out there that will compare to public school Band/Choir programs... church is not an acceptable replacement.

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Walker_ID posted:

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i would never send any child i cared for thru the clusterf*ck that is our education system

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Fozzie_Bear posted:

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Public schooling is a joke in the earliest years. Absolutely laughable. My daughter stagnates as the school system does what it can to bring the slower kids up to baseline. My sons social development includes such treasures as gang violence and having watched the schools vice principle get knocked out with a fire extinguisher while trying to break up a fight in the halls. You can keep it!

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Aerlinthian posted:

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Fozzie_Bear posted:

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the funny thing is, as socially inept as you find your employer, hes signing your checks. you work for him.

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Lanacan posted:

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Caledric wins the "DO IT MY WAY OR YOU'RE A F-ING RETARD" award for this thread.

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Lanacan posted:

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Aerlinthian posted:

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Fozzie_Bear posted:

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the funny thing is, as socially inept as you find your employer, hes signing your checks. you work for him.

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Aerlinthian posted:

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Another great thing about cramped government indoctrination rooms is that your kids can new and exciting viruses from other kids!

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Brother_Tempus posted:

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Aerlinthian posted:

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Another great thing about cramped government indoctrination rooms is that your kids can new and exciting viruses from other kids!

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or get shot by a maladjusted student, or just plain bullied [ what real public school socialization is ]

Or just be taught that independent thinking or certain POVs about social issues are not acceptable

Or get arrested as a terrorist by the school police, while being scanned with metal detectors like a criminal ... Plus getting a chance to be tazed as well.



As you can see public schooling has a lot more to offer in terms of experience that home-schooling could

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JoAyanami posted:

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If I had kids I'd be okay with K-5 or whenever grade school finishes these days. Hell no to middle and high school.
-Jo

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-MrBean- posted:

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I have thought about it, simply because Anelise is top of her class and pushing for more. We are friends with her teacher and even she admits it's hard to keep her challenged when she has to keep the subjects to whatthe class of 30 kids as a whole can do/understand.

Because of this, Anelise gets a lot more personal reading time in class which I am okay with since it's better than her twiddling her thumbs being bored.

Homeschooling in CA has many, many hoops you have to jump through that's it's almost not worth it.

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Brother_Tempus posted:

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-MrBean- posted:

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I have thought about it, simply because Anelise is top of her class and pushing for more. We are friends with her teacher and even she admits it's hard to keep her challenged when she has to keep the subjects to whatthe class of 30 kids as a whole can do/understand.

Because of this, Anelise gets a lot more personal reading time in class which I am okay with since it's better than her twiddling her thumbs being bored.

Homeschooling in CA has many, many hoops you have to jump through that's it's almost not worth it.

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Generally socialist/progressive leaning states and countries are hostile to the concept of home schooling. It's a control issue they do not want to be in the losing side of

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-MrBean- posted:

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Brother_Tempus posted:

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-MrBean- posted:

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I have thought about it, simply because Anelise is top of her class and pushing for more. We are friends with her teacher and even she admits it's hard to keep her challenged when she has to keep the subjects to whatthe class of 30 kids as a whole can do/understand.

Because of this, Anelise gets a lot more personal reading time in class which I am okay with since it's better than her twiddling her thumbs being bored.

Homeschooling in CA has many, many hoops you have to jump through that's it's almost not worth it.

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Generally socialist/progressive leaning states and countries are hostile to the concept of home schooling. It's a control issue they do not want to be in the losing side of

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OH I know. It's all about butts in the seats with them. It's also why the wife and I both challenge her at home with extra stuff. I mean, this is a 7 year old who got a dictionary and a microscope for christmas, and was ecstatic about it.

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-MrBean- posted:

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Brother_Tempus posted:

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-MrBean- posted:

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I have thought about it, simply because Anelise is top of her class and pushing for more. We are friends with her teacher and even she admits it's hard to keep her challenged when she has to keep the subjects to whatthe class of 30 kids as a whole can do/understand.

Because of this, Anelise gets a lot more personal reading time in class which I am okay with since it's better than her twiddling her thumbs being bored.

Homeschooling in CA has many, many hoops you have to jump through that's it's almost not worth it.

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Generally socialist/progressive leaning states and countries are hostile to the concept of home schooling. It's a control issue they do not want to be in the losing side of

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OH I know. It's all about butts in the seats with them. It's also why the wife and I both challenge her at home with extra stuff. I mean, this is a 7 year old who got a dictionary and a microscope for christmas, and was ecstatic about it.

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-MrBean- posted:

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I have thought about it, simply because Anelise is top of her class and pushing for more. We are friends with her teacher and even she admits it's hard to keep her challenged when she has to keep the subjects to whatthe class of 30 kids as a whole can do/understand.

Because of this, Anelise gets a lot more personal reading time in class which I am okay with since it's better than her twiddling her thumbs being bored.

Homeschooling in CA has many, many hoops you have to jump through that's it's almost not worth it.

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deadcactus posted:

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Sure, go the DIY route with your kid's education. That way their future can join the wobbly Ikea bookshelves, your poorly maintained car, and the haphazard array of stocks you call a retirement account...

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-MrBean- posted:

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I have thought about it, simply because Anelise is top of her class and pushing for more. We are friends with her teacher and even she admits it's hard to keep her challenged when she has to keep the subjects to whatthe class of 30 kids as a whole can do/understand.

Because of this, Anelise gets a lot more personal reading time in class which I am okay with since it's better than her twiddling her thumbs being bored.

Homeschooling in CA has many, many hoops you have to jump through that's it's almost not worth it.

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JD_HOGG posted:

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deadcactus posted:

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Sure, go the DIY route with your kid's education. That way their future can join the wobbly Ikea bookshelves, your poorly maintained car, and the haphazard array of stocks you call a retirement account...

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Sir, this post is a masterpiece.

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Gaevren posted:

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Brother_Tempus posted:

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[quote=-MrBean-]I have thought about it, simply because Anelise is top of her class and pushing for more. We are friends with her teacher and even she admits it's hard to keep her challenged when she has to keep the subjects to whatthe class of 30 kids as a whole can do/understand.

Because of this, Anelise gets a lot more personal reading time in class which I am okay with since it's better than her twiddling her thumbs being bored.

Homeschooling in CA has many, many hoops you have to jump through that's it's almost not worth it.

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Generally socialist/progressive leaning states and countries are hostile to the concept of home schooling. It's a control issue they do not want to be in the losing side of

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OH I know. It's all about butts in the seats with them. It's also why the wife and I both challenge her at home with extra stuff. I mean, this is a 7 year old who got a dictionary and a microscope for christmas, and was ecstatic about it.

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-MrBean- posted:

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Gaevren posted:

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-MrBean- posted:

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[quote=Brother_Tempus][quote=-MrBean-]I have thought about it, simply because Anelise is top of her class and pushing for more. We are friends with her teacher and even she admits it's hard to keep her challenged when she has to keep the subjects to whatthe class of 30 kids as a whole can do/understand.

Because of this, Anelise gets a lot more personal reading time in class which I am okay with since it's better than her twiddling her thumbs being bored.

Homeschooling in CA has many, many hoops you have to jump through that's it's almost not worth it.

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Generally socialist/progressive leaning states and countries are hostile to the concept of home schooling. It's a control issue they do not want to be in the losing side of

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OH I know. It's all about butts in the seats with them. It's also why the wife and I both challenge her at home with extra stuff. I mean, this is a 7 year old who got a dictionary and a microscope for christmas, and was ecstatic about it.

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