One 1955 MKULTRA document gives an indication of the size and range of the effort; this document refers to the study of an assortment of mind-altering substances described as follows:[23]

Substances which will promote illogical thinking and impulsiveness to the point where the recipient would be discredited in public.
Substances which increase the efficiency of mentation and perception.
Materials which will prevent or counteract the intoxicating effect of alcohol.
Materials which will promote the intoxicating effect of alcohol.
Materials which will produce the signs and symptoms of recognized diseases in a reversible way so that they may be used for malingering, etc.
Materials which will render the induction of hypnosis easier or otherwise enhance its usefulness.
Substances which will enhance the ability of individuals to withstand privation, torture and coercion during interrogation and so-called "brain-washing".
Materials and physical methods which will produce amnesia for events preceding and during their use.
Physical methods of producing shock and confusion over extended periods of time and capable of surreptitious use.
Substances which produce physical disablement such as paralysis of the legs, acute anemia, etc.
Substances which will produce "pure" euphoria with no subsequent let-down.
Substances which alter personality structure in such a way that the tendency of the recipient to become dependent upon another person is enhanced.
A material which will cause mental confusion of such a type that the individual under its influence will find it difficult to maintain a fabrication under questioning.
Substances which will lower the ambition and general working efficiency of men when administered in undetectable amounts.
Substances which promote weakness or distortion of the eyesight or hearing faculties, preferably without permanent effects.
A knockout pill which can surreptitiously be administered in drinks, food, cigarettes, as an aerosol, etc., which will be safe to use, provide a maximum of amnesia, and be suitable for use by agent types on an ad hoc basis.
A material which can be surreptitiously administered by the above routes and which in very small amounts will make it impossible for a person to perform physical activity.

illmyrin posted:

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Ah, no problem. Ever see the movie Manchurian Candidate? That movie was based on the 50s MK-Ultra program. We spent a bunch of money to try and figure out if there was a way to create mindless assassins. The Soviets were rumored to have that tech and the US scrambled to "catch up." Now days we call it harsh interrogation, post hypnotic suggestion and manchurian candidate sleepers. A few years back it was reported that our interrogations involved MK-Ultra style drugs and conditioning methods.


Some of the cool things we learned while doing the MK-Ultra experiments is that by strapping a football helmet on a person in a straight jacket, while blasting "Your mother hates you" into the ears of a man tripping on LSD for 3 months makes 8 out of 10 subjects catatonic.

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Sgian_Dubh posted:

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illmyrin posted:

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Ah, no problem. Ever see the movie Manchurian Candidate? That movie was based on the 50s MK-Ultra program. We spent a bunch of money to try and figure out if there was a way to create mindless assassins. The Soviets were rumored to have that tech and the US scrambled to "catch up." Now days we call it harsh interrogation, post hypnotic suggestion and manchurian candidate sleepers. A few years back it was reported that our interrogations involved MK-Ultra style drugs and conditioning methods.


Some of the cool things we learned while doing the MK-Ultra experiments is that by strapping a football helmet on a person in a straight jacket, while blasting "Your mother hates you" into the ears of a man tripping on LSD for 3 months makes 8 out of 10 subjects catatonic.

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how fucking tough are the other 2?

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Eradiani posted:

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is there anything in your life that isn't a conspiracy?

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DemonicXH posted:

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Eradiani posted:

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is there anything in your life that isn't a conspiracy?

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Altra_Shadowstalker posted:

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The way i see it, is what would someone have to gain from sending a soldier on a civilian kill spree?

Illmyrin posted:

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I personally think that there is a full spectrum agenda to position the US as a danger to the rest of the world eventually setting the stage for justifying a global intervention against us. -2011

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The only conclusion i can legitimately draw is that the response to this is movement towards withdrawal and peace.

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The only thing keeping us there is the worry over the destabilizing effects of our withdrawal. This incident will have consequences and if you remember a few weeks ago we had US soldiers burning Korans in the presents of Afghans who went NUTS and attacked the base for a week. All of these types of events are part of a plan. Its nothing for a Blackwater type to put on desert cammo and light up civilians one morning so that later in the afternoon our troops become threatened. Interesting example. Remember that Blackwater crew that was burned and strung up from a Bridge in Iraq? Earlier that day, in that area, another blackwater crew killed 17 civilians from that area in a turkey shoot. The crew that got burned up was sent in to die by Prince. After that event the US increased spending on Blackwater's services by 200%... This is grand scale Agent provocation.

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Let's say the US bars violent war video games from soldiers on deployment. What cause does that serve?

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Ah, I didn't expand on the video game reference. Basically to cut them off from teamspeak/voice services. If this is used as a communications lock down as opposed to a reaction towards those sorts of games potential effect on stressed soldiers i smell a rat.

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The people behind this would not be behind 9-11. They wouldn't be part of the military industrial complex. Not really. If their goal is to shrink the US military presence, then they are working counter to that goal. Likely, they would not be operating an MK-ULTRA program if that were the case.

Illmyrin posted:

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The goal of the Military industrial complex is not to shrink the US military's presence anywhere. Their current priority is draining our wealth and military resources. I believe our nation is doomed to be removed from the global stage. Right now, all previous US agencies of Power have turned in against us. We're to be looted, drained and starved out. So yea, these same people would very much want to provoke attacks against US soldiers.

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If they had the ability to create sleeper agents, why not use an Iranian National Guard to slaughter Afghani civilians. You'd get the same result of people being fed up with us occupying the country and you'd get a natural national outrage of Americans upset with Iran.

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We've got sleepers in that sort of situation that don't need to be brainwashed. We've spent the last 5 years paying former Al-CIAduh fighters to dress like Iranians and deliver British made Liquid Copper IEDs to Iraqi insurgents. You'd have a hard time finding a US soldier who'd take cash to murder civilians since the first thing he'd think about is being responsible for retaliations against his brothers in arms. Hence the mind control.

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Seems like a much larger win/win with no obvious blowback to me.

Illmyrin posted:

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Blowback is a tactic being used against the US by US agencies. Preparing us for a future collapse.

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Rikarus posted:

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ummmmmmmmmmm?

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the_great_ontex posted:

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Like it or not projects like MK-Ultra and operation Northwoods do in fact exist

That's no conspiracy, they're right out in the open

That evidence alone you'd think would cast a shadow of doubt on our government's integrity, yet "the people" such as a few of you would rather wave your American flag and tell yourselves our federal government can do no harm, even though it does do harm on a daily basis

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illmyrin posted:

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Possibly true! I have filters for that stuff also!

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illmyrin posted:

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Dig was kicking dirt when I was rocking a backhoe!


I see though. So clear I'm able to hit light speed with it and pierce as many angles as I can imagine up. This entire thread might just have been a way for me to put a few more nails in the MK-Ultra deniers hands.

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Tych2 posted:

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I don't even know what an MK-ultra style mission is.

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illmyrin posted:

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It does fit though. It's easy to stage a crash and condition a person during their recovery. You've even got a built in "brain damage" scapegoat.

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illmyrin posted:

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I agree with what you say. I understand the war weary soldier on the edge factor. You ask why? I'd say timing control. What good is psycho rampages when you can't time them to fit a purpose?

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MayorShade posted:

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illmyrin posted:

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I agree with what you say. I understand the war weary soldier on the edge factor. You ask why? I'd say timing control. What good is psycho rampages when you can't time them to fit a purpose?

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Because you don't need to time them to fit a purpose. "Usable" events take place over there with regularity. Could be a psycho rampage, could be a holy-book in a burn-pit. Could be a drone-fired hellfire at a funeral. Could be this, could be that. There is a long list of usable incidents that take place within a usable time margin. It's like a grab-bag. See something you like? Grab it and roll with it.

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illmyrin posted:

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What if what you want is something other than what's in the grab bag? I don't know how much effort I should put into arguing against your premise. You're basically saying why would anyone want a car if they could walk.

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illmyrin posted:

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I don't know what PP threads are.

Do you understand that I already understand what you're trying to say and agree that there are plenty of easy news worthy headlines to choose from? I get it. That's not something I haven't known.

I'll ask again. Knowing that it exists, how can someone discount it's being used on people who are the easiest targets of forced drugging and mind control(mk ultra research also influenced our military training methods of breaking people to rebuild them)??

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