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The movie is a bit different from the book, but still good. Just watched it again today. Hope I don't have to add the label "Spoilers" to this!
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Yep.
Sunday afternoon, nothing else to do. Overall it's an interesting cultural commentary, but otherwise it's a damn boring movie.
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No, but I've woken up many mornings with the Wrath of Grapes 
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My mom was born in eastern Oklahoma not too far from Sallisaw. Her family lived thru this. They moved back and forth from California several times until her father died. They would move to California and build up a nest egg then go back to Oklahoma until it ran out again. I guess for me the story is not so boring.
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No, but I've woken up many mornings with the Wrath of Grapes
I have no idea what you are talking about unless it's a hangover from wine.
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No, but I've woken up many mornings with the Wrath of Grapes
I have no idea what you are talking about unless it's a hangover from wine.
That was to what I was alluding, yes
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of course, it was required
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of course, it was required
Surly you mean the book, not the movie?
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well read the book for school anyways
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Most overated American classic ever.
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Most overated American classic ever.
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I wasn't aware that the was a movie. I read it purely for entertainment at around the age of 15.
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The book is interminably dull and the movie, despite Henry Fonda, is also a snoozefest.
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The book is interminably dull and the movie, despite Henry Fonda, is also a snoozefest.
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Maybe my 15 year old self was just more interested in American historical fiction than yourself. *shrug* I thought it was pretty darn good.
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Most overated American classic ever.
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I dunno, it was more interesting than The Great Gatsby... at least for me.
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Most overated American classic ever.
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I dunno, it was more interesting than The Great Gatsby... at least for me.
I really thought Gatsby sucked... the characters were all subhuman..
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Jezza_Belle posted:
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Most overated American classic ever.
Rho
I dunno, it was more interesting than The Great Gatsby... at least for me.
I really thought Gatsby sucked... the characters were all subhuman..
just like American Beauty
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[quote=Rhodoman]Most overated American classic ever.
Rho
I dunno, it was more interesting than The Great Gatsby... at least for me.
I really thought Gatsby sucked... the characters were all subhuman..
just like American Beauty
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Okay... I didn't like American Beauty either, but how do you equate it to gatsby?
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Jezza_Belle posted:
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Most overated American classic ever.
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I dunno, it was more interesting than The Great Gatsby... at least for me.
Whoa. You managed to cite one that would give GoW a run for its money in the overrated dept.
Faulkener's "As I Lay Dying" would be the absolute worst. for me, but it isn't really rated as highly as the other two.
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I'm guessing Rho doesn't know the underlying reason Steinbeck wrote Grape of Wrath.
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My dads family lived in the panhandle of texas and western oklahoma, some of them moved west to California during the Dust Bowl.
yes read the book and seen the movie multiple times in school.
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lol, it doesn't hold rich people in very high esteem. 
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I was forced to read the book in and watch the movie in AP Lit. Almost ruined me on Steinbeck. I can't believe we cram this one down kid's throats when his other novels, Of Mice and Men and East of Eden (not to mention short stories like The Chrhsanthemums) are a bit less dry and a lot more significant. The Great Depression was depressing? Communism is an alternate form of government to capitalism? YOU'RE BLOWING MY MIND HERE, STEINBECK! Not.
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i think back when i was going to school, steinbeck was the in thing to make kids read.
as in, we read LOTS of his books 
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I don't know how I managed to miss these books in school, but I was never required to read any of them. I always thought that weird. But we did move occasionally. Maybe it was early years in one school and later years in another. Whatever. I still missed them as requirements. No matter, I still read them anyway.
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I don't know how I managed to miss these books in school, but I was never required to read any of them. I always thought that weird. But we did move occasionally. Maybe it was early years in one school and later years in another. Whatever. I still missed them as requirements. No matter, I still read them anyway.
Steinbeck was never required at our school. Of course, I think we mainly did accelerated reader where you could pick what you wanted to read up until the 11th and 12th grades.
I started reading Steinbeck on my own after reading The Pearl for and AR test and enjoying it. I also liked Hemingway and Faulkner. *shrug*
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I'm guessing Rho doesn't know the underlying reason Steinbeck wrote Grape of Wrath.
He shared similar motivations with Sinclair Lewis for The Jungle.
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I'm guessing Rho doesn't know the underlying reason Steinbeck wrote Grape of Wrath.
He shared similar motivations with Sinclair Lewis for The Jungle.
Rho
"Muck Raking"?
I don't really think that was Steinbeck's objective...
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I'm guessing Rho doesn't know the underlying reason Steinbeck wrote Grape of Wrath.
He shared similar motivations with Sinclair Lewis for The Jungle.
Rho
"Muck Raking"?
I don't really think that was Steinbeck's objective...
Neither do I.
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I know occasionally there would be a required book to read and I had already read it so got a buy.
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i made my 11 yr old read Animal Farm, after much resistance he knocked it out in 2 days and said he loved it.
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[quote=Reapist]I'm guessing Rho doesn't know the underlying reason Steinbeck wrote Grape of Wrath.
He shared similar motivations with Sinclair Lewis for The Jungle.
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"Muck Raking"?
I don't really think that was Steinbeck's objective...
Neither do I.
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Well, that was Sinclair's motivation explicitly. So, I'm not exactly sure what point your trying to make....
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yes and read the book
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While Grapes of Wrath did have a small bit of muckraking in it that was not the reason for writing it.
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Well, that was Sinclair's motivation explicitly. So, I'm not exactly sure what point your trying to make....
Doh. It was Upton Sinclair, sorry.
No, Sinclair's motivation was a particular political/economic stance he wished to advance THROUGH muckraking.
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While Grapes of Wrath did have a small bit of muckraking in it that was not the reason for writing it.
I sincerely believe Steinbeck sought out to create a good narrative depicting the life and times of people during the Dust Bowl...
Yes, he was a migrant fruit picker himself and did delve pretty deeply in to the mistreatment of migrant field hands of the time, but I don't think he had an agenda beyond making a story.
Sinclair's main objective was to expose the brutality towards and horrible living conditions of American meat packers during the early 1900s. Yes, it can be viewed as pro union, but I honestly believe that was a time when unionization was needed and justified...
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Well, that was Sinclair's motivation explicitly. So, I'm not exactly sure what point your trying to make....
Doh. It was Upton Sinclair, sorry.
No, Sinclair's motivation was a particular political/economic stance he wished to advance THROUGH muckraking.
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I didn't even notice that you said Sinclair Lewis.. =X
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And, it was Upton Sinclair.
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My mind just automatically went to Upton Sinclair. I was duped, I believe.
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While Grapes of Wrath did have a small bit of muckraking in it that was not the reason for writing it.
I sincerely believe Steinbeck sought out to create a good narrative depicting the life and times of people during the Dust Bowl...
Yes, he was a migrant fruit picker himself and did delve pretty deeply in to the mistreatment of migrant field hands of the time, but I don't think he had an agenda beyond making a story.
Sinclair's main objective was to expose the brutality towards and horrible living conditions of American meat packers during the early 1900s. Yes, it can be viewed as pro union, but I honestly believe that was a time when unionization was needed and justified...
Actually he did have an agenda. He set out to write the book in a fashion that showed business in a poor light.
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While Grapes of Wrath did have a small bit of muckraking in it that was not the reason for writing it.
I sincerely believe Steinbeck sought out to create a good narrative depicting the life and times of people during the Dust Bowl...
Yes, he was a migrant fruit picker himself and did delve pretty deeply in to the mistreatment of migrant field hands of the time, but I don't think he had an agenda beyond making a story.
Sinclair's main objective was to expose the brutality towards and horrible living conditions of American meat packers during the early 1900s. Yes, it can be viewed as pro union, but I honestly believe that was a time when unionization was needed and justified...
Actually he did have an agenda. He set out to write the book in a fashion that showed business in a poor light.
Banks, mainly. But, I think he was just being accurate.
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When preparing to write the novel, Steinbeck wrote: "I want to put a tag of shame on the greedy bastards who are responsible for this [the Great Depression and its effects]." He famously said, "I've done my damndest to rip a reader's nerves to rags," and this work won a large following among the working class due to Steinbeck's sympathy to the workers' movement and his accessible prose style.
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When preparing to write the novel, Steinbeck wrote: "I want to put a tag of shame on the greedy bastards who are responsible for this [the Great Depression and its effects]." He famously said, "I've done my damndest to rip a reader's nerves to rags," and this work won a large following among the working class due to Steinbeck's sympathy to the workers' movement and his accessible prose style.
Everyone has their own agenda, some are motivated by politics, some are motivated by money... the reasons people write are endless.
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When preparing to write the novel, Steinbeck wrote: "I want to put a tag of shame on the greedy bastards who are responsible for this [the Great Depression and its effects]." He famously said, "I've done my damndest to rip a reader's nerves to rags," and this work won a large following among the working class due to Steinbeck's sympathy to the workers' movement and his accessible prose style.
Everyone has their own agenda, some are motivated by politics, some are motivated by money... the reasons people write are endless.
My point was that Steinbeck's and Sinclair's motivations for these works were very similar.
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of course, it was required
Surly you mean the book, not the movie?
How are you supposed to properly answers questions in class unless you watch the movie? Its not like anyone actually read the book.
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How are you supposed to properly answers questions in class unless you watch the movie? Its not like anyone actually read the book.
I didn't read it until I was 30.
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Jezza_Belle posted:
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When preparing to write the novel, Steinbeck wrote: "I want to put a tag of shame on the greedy bastards who are responsible for this [the Great Depression and its effects]." He famously said, "I've done my damndest to rip a reader's nerves to rags," and this work won a large following among the working class due to Steinbeck's sympathy to the workers' movement and his accessible prose style.
Everyone has their own agenda, some are motivated by politics, some are motivated by money... the reasons people write are endless.
My point was that Steinbeck's and Sinclair's motivations for these works were very similar.
Rho
Yeah, I will agree with that.
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