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depends on the country, with so much manufacturing gone from the US i would say it would be over 60%, and i'm assuming by go to college you mean graduate.
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EVERYONE IN THE SOUTH.
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Whatever percentage of people actually want to go to college.
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_Alexandra_ posted: EVERYONE IN THE SOUTH.
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Other: Those who can afford it without mooching and stealing from taxpayers
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Brother_Tempus posted: Other: Those who can afford it without mooching and stealing from taxpayers
HEY, I'M PAYING MY GODDAMN LOANS, YOU TWAT Some of us don't gyp taxpayers out of their investment
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Somewhere around 30% is my guess. Too many college grads these days, it means almost nothing. Basically you should have to be able to afford it or be gifted enough to deserve it.
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Brother_Tempus posted: Other: Those who can afford it without mooching and stealing from taxpayers
HEY, I'M PAYING MY GODDAMN LOANS, YOU TWAT
It was money that was not yours to borrow to begin with ....
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100% should be able to
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-Darkfire- posted: 100% should be able to
That's why its in a bubble .. just like people thought everyone should own a home ... and everyone should have healthcare bubbles, bubbles .. everywhere ...
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Brother_Tempus posted:
-Darkfire- posted: 100% should be able to
That's why its in a bubble .. just like people thought everyone should own a home ... and everyone should have healthcare bubbles, bubbles .. everywhere ...
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I'd settle for everybody graduating from high school with the capability you are supposed to have from 12 years of school. Rho
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Rhodoman posted: I'd settle for everybody graduating from high school with the capability you are supposed to have from 12 years of school. Rho
What you'll get is people graduating from grade 16 without the capability one should have from 12 years of school.
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Brother_Tempus posted: Other: Those who can afford it without mooching and stealing from taxpayers
Gotta love an entrenched plutocracy. Too bad we can't undo the last 200 years of education, or we'd still be able to pay workers 30 cents an hours (in current U.S. currency). College should be available to anyone, of any wealth. That doesn't mean it needs to be free, but there should be cheap enough options.
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Brother_Tempus posted:
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Brother_Tempus posted: Other: Those who can afford it without mooching and stealing from taxpayers
HEY, I'M PAYING MY GODDAMN LOANS, YOU TWAT
It was money that was not yours to borrow to begin with ....
Too bad, did it, whatcha gonna do about it now?
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Brother_Tempus posted: [quote=Dark_EternalFF] It was money that was not yours to borrow to begin with ....
Too bad, did it, whatcha gonna do about it now?
Nothing, except watch your degree become as worthless as the homes people bought, as the healthcare people want, as the money people use .... and be satisfied that I was right and that I prepared ....
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It was just a hoop I jumped through to get a foot in the door at a high level. I work IT, the years of experience I have already rendered it useless.
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See, BT, what you don't get is that degrees are already useless - but the perception is right now that they aren't...and I'll take any advantage I can get, even if it disappears later, because by then it won't matter to me.
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I'd wager only 20% to 30% actually use their education in the real world, at least in my generation There's many majors that are completely worthless to have in the college curriculum
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I think a flat percentage is a weird way to look at it. We need a certain workforce and they need whatever education to do their jobs. If jobs that don't need an effing degree would stop requiring one for the job and invest in training instead, the demand for degrees would go down.
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purplehugmonkey posted: I think a flat percentage is a weird way to look at it. We need a certain workforce and they need whatever education to do their jobs. If jobs that don't need an effing degree would stop requiring one for the job and invest in training instead, the demand for degrees would go down.
It would be nice, but with an economy like this it's not going to happen. Employers can demand any kind of crazy stuff they can come up with, and they'll get it for rock bottom prices.
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Dark_EternalFF posted: Whatever percentage of people actually want to go to college.
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Education has become a business racket in a bubble because of government interference, so it is nigh impossible to say what percent should be going because the numbers are already so skewed. I actually had a very recent experience with one of the facets of this racket, it was blatant and shocking enough for me to consider to see if I could get a local paper to pick up a story on what I saw.
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there is abundant evidence for the effects of chronic stress on the brain. glucocorticoids like cortisol, the stress hormones, influence glutamate neurotransimission in the prefrontal cortex and hippocampus. the prefrontal cortex seems to be crucial for regulating behavior like making the difficult decision of holding out for the thing that's better in the long-term. the hippocampus is vital for memory and learning. chronic stress has negative consequences on these parts. not only that, but in either mouse or rat models (i don't remember which) they can show that chronic stress in the mother can be passed down epigenetically to the offspring. the evidence for this is demonstrated in the behavior of the mother and offpsring and the methylation of their DNA. with the neurobiology in mind you can take a whole new look at the legacy of poverty. these things don't completely trump regular genetics, so i'm not saying that every poor and stressed person ends up doomed. suppose that you don't know everything before you cast your judgements an article if you prefer: http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/03/poordevelopment/
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"It is not just infectious diseases that demonstrate the powerful social-epidemiological correlation; it is also psychiatric conditions, which not only occur at higher rates in the poorest areas, but also cluster together, usually in disintegrating inner-city communities. Money is not a guarantor of mental health, nor does its absence necessarily lead to mental illness. However, it is generally conceded that poverty can be both a determinant and a consequence of poor mental health (Langner & Michael, 1963)." http://apt.rcpsych.org/content/10/3/216.full "Mounting evidence suggests that acute and chronic stress, especially the stress-induced release of glucocorticoids, induces changes in glutamate neurotransmission in the prefrontal cortex and the hippocampus, thereby influencing some aspects of cognitive processing. In addition, dysfunction of glutamatergic neurotransmission is increasingly considered to be a core feature of stress-related mental illnesses. Recent studies have shed light on the mechanisms by which stress and glucocorticoids affect glutamate transmission, including effects on glutamate release, glutamate receptors and glutamate clearance and metabolism. This new understanding provides insights into normal brain functioning, as well as the pathophysiology and potential new treatments of stress-related neuropsychiatric disorders." http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22127301 the rich and the gifted win a lottery and you say: only they deserve the benefits of higher education. lol, I'm afraid science reveals how petty and out of touch your opinions are.
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The rich pay their way for college The gifted get voluntary scholarships Their education is covered without a hint of evil/immorality Those who advocate that the taxpayer fund eveyones education are advocating theft as the method for payment. Theft is imoral, and illegal. It is not the corporations or the gifted that are the bad guys, but those who advocate universal education through theft that are the true evil persons in this debate
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You know someone is really dumb when they see education reform in terms of good and evil. And BT has yet to separate himself from evil by leaving the country. The only thing worse than evil people are the hypocritical/apathetic who feed it.
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anybody that wants too, college has a natural weaning out process as you advance though difficulty/academic levels.
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As many people who want to go to college. The government should not be involved with telling people who can/cannot go to college. If someone can get the money together they should be able to go. Student loans maybe should be reworked to give a student a more realistic picture of their post-degree life. The govt. makes more money from student loans than it gives out... and student loans will follow you until you die so you pretty much have to pay them off. Everyone screaming that education is in a bubble is just seeing the effects of the recession... higher education is pretty heavily subsidized by the state... they have had to slash education budgets the last few years and people are pretty much paying the true costs... so state universities are pretty much running like private institutions and making the students pick up the cost instead of the taxpayer.
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Eh, I feel that we need to make higher education available to everyone - however, we need to simultaneously remove the stigma of obtaining a two year degree, trade or technical degree while make less expectations for everyone to pursue a bachelor's degree.
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Problem is that people are seeing education as the same as "post-college work." What is wrong with education for the sake of simply sucking less, having a skill or two other than sitting in front of a TV? Knowing how to cook for your family, stuff like that?
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20% tops. Everyone else is just wasting their money. They should be going to factory training or apprenticing in some other skilled trade.
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