Varece posted:

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Anyone remember Red Die #2?

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Lanacan posted:

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Varece posted:

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Anyone remember Red Die #2?

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Yellow Dye #5

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Natoli posted:

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I read an article that said the amounts they gave the mice to cause cancer would be equivalent to a human drinking 1000 cokes per day. I figure at that level, just about anything would cause cancer...

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Dark_EternalFF posted:

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What isn't cancerous in California?

DEAR GOD WE PUMPED THIS RAT FULL OF A GALLON OF WATER AND IT DIED, BETTER PUT A FKIN WARNING ON WATER

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Varece posted:

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You can also thank CA to be the first state to ban smoking on airplanes and just about everywhere else.

Yeah, so evil to be ahead of the curve.

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deadcactus posted:

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Pretty sure the soda related threat of obesity and diabetes dwarfs whatever bulls--t cancer risk exists...

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Varece posted:

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You can also thank CA to be the first state to ban smoking on airplanes and just about everywhere else.

Yeah, so evil to be ahead of the curve.

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Sarena_WE posted:

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That is like comparing apples to oranges. That and if someone smoked over a 1000 cigs in a day I would say that cancer wouldn't be what killed them.

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DunesVladHarkonnen posted:

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Doctors of ACF: I bought a Coke to have with my lunch

Will I die tomorrow?

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tantallous posted:

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Absolutely, but it has nothing to do with the Coke. It is because you obviously lack sense if you are trusting the answers of ACF about a serious life/death matter such as this, and will do something else stupid tomorrow that surely results in your death.

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-Kiande- posted:

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Dark_EternalFF posted:

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What isn't cancerous in California?

DEAR GOD WE PUMPED THIS RAT FULL OF A GALLON OF WATER AND IT DIED, BETTER PUT A FKIN WARNING ON WATER

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God bless you.

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deadcactus posted:

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tantallous posted:

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Absolutely, but it has nothing to do with the Coke. It is because you obviously lack sense if you are trusting the answers of ACF about a serious life/death matter such as this, and will do something else stupid tomorrow that surely results in your death.

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Yea, drinking a Coke is a serious life/death matter. Forget the Coke, he better see his doctor for that serious burn.

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Natoli posted:

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I read an article that said the amounts they gave the mice to cause cancer would be equivalent to a human drinking 1000 cokes per day. I figure at that level, just about anything would cause cancer...

ETA: Actually, it's in that article, too...

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DunesVladHarkonnen posted:

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Doctors of ACF: I bought a Coke to have with my lunch

Will I die tomorrow?

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myxomatosis8 posted:

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DunesVladHarkonnen posted:

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Doctors of ACF: I bought a Coke to have with my lunch

Will I die tomorrow?

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You'll die in 1000 years. Maybe.

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DunesVladHarkonnen posted:

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myxomatosis8 posted:

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DunesVladHarkonnen posted:

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Doctors of ACF: I bought a Coke to have with my lunch

Will I die tomorrow?

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You'll die in 1000 years. Maybe.

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I'm basically immortal! Woooohoooo!

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Varece posted:

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Lanacan posted:

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Varece posted:

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Anyone remember Red Die #2?

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Yellow Dye #5

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We will be out of food dyes. Darn

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tantallous posted:

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thats what you say.. but you cant tell taste when you are standing there at the store.. you can see what it looks like.

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the_great_ontex posted:

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This is why crystal clear pepsi should make a comeback

and Josta

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DunesVladHarkonnen posted:

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Doctors of ACF: I bought a Coke to have with my lunch

Will I die tomorrow?

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Hawkson posted:

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the_great_ontex posted:

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This is why crystal clear pepsi should make a comeback

and Josta

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I miss Crystal Pepsi.

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-Kruugar- posted:

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Food dyes are dumb anyways...

I only care about the taste

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Jezza_Belle posted:

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I wish they'd quit putting fake color in most things, I really don't give a crap what color they are, if it doesn't alter the taste.

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Darwynnia posted:

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Meh, someone else spammed my facebook newsfeed with this story.

Caramel food coloring has between 0.02-0.002% 4-Methylimidazole, according to Toxnet's sources. So if a 330mL can contains 3 grams of caramel coloring (I have no idea how much a can has) then there's 0.66mg in it. They don't mention how much of it was found in Coke or Pepsi, but if there's 47 ug in the others, then the math would estimate each can has ~ 0.3 grams (since .66 mg = 660 ug) of caramel coloring.

The reported adverse effects from oral doses on animals are at 360 mg/kg of 4-Methylimidazole (convulsions, etc). So comparatively speaking, there's very little 4-Methylimidazole in a soda. Heck you'd have to drink thousands of cans per day to be at a dangerous level. Plus, the halflife estimate for 4-Methylimidazole is 1.8 hours, with the excretion route via urine.

I'm not worried.

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deadcactus posted:

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Sarena_WE posted:

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That is like comparing apples to oranges. That and if someone smoked over a 1000 cigs in a day I would say that cancer wouldn't be what killed them.

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That's a pretty safe bet for any smoker. It's always about cancer with smoking, heart attacks with obesity, stroke with diabetes, etc. I don't know why healthcare perspectives in the US focus on the rare, dramatic complications instead or the mundane s--t that really is scary...

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myxomatosis8 posted:

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Jezza_Belle posted:

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I wish they'd quit putting fake color in most things, I really don't give a crap what color they are, if it doesn't alter the taste.

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LIES. I can't stand the taste of red velvet cupcakes, it's not the same as regular chocolate ones.

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levgre posted:

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Um Lung Cancer isn't a rare complication of smoking... smoking accounts for 87% of lung cancers in the US. And it is by far the deadliest form of cancer (meaning number of deaths, although survival rates aren't great).

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Anebriated posted:

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Darwynnia posted:

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Meh, someone else spammed my facebook newsfeed with this story.

Caramel food coloring has between 0.02-0.002% 4-Methylimidazole, according to Toxnet's sources. So if a 330mL can contains 3 grams of caramel coloring (I have no idea how much a can has) then there's 0.66mg in it. They don't mention how much of it was found in Coke or Pepsi, but if there's 47 ug in the others, then the math would estimate each can has ~ 0.3 grams (since .66 mg = 660 ug) of caramel coloring.

The reported adverse effects from oral doses on animals are at 360 mg/kg of 4-Methylimidazole (convulsions, etc). So comparatively speaking, there's very little 4-Methylimidazole in a soda. Heck you'd have to drink thousands of cans per day to be at a dangerous level. Plus, the halflife estimate for 4-Methylimidazole is 1.8 hours, with the excretion route via urine.

I'm not worried.

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you calculated risk of inducing a seizure, not risk of cancer. and since we don't know of the harmful agent is 4-MI itself or a metabolite, 4-MI's half-life isn't all that.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17619857
"Groups of 50 male and 50 female F344/N rats were fed diets containing 0-, 625-, 1,250-, or 2,500 ppm 4MI (males) or 0-, 1,250-, 2,500-, or 5,000 ppm 4MI (females) for 106 weeks.Based on the food consumption the calculated average daily doses were approximately 30, 55, or 115 mg 4MI/kg body weight to males and 60, 120, or 250 mg 4MI/kg to females"
"The incidences of alveolar/bronchiolar adenoma in all exposed groups of females, alveolar/bronchiolar carcinoma in 1,250 ppm males, and alveolar/bronchiolar adenoma or carcinoma (combined) in 1,250 ppm males and 625- and 1,250 ppm females were significantly greater than those in the control groups"


sig. effects at 30mg-60mg/kg a day for 106weeks. i didn't look up their endpoints or redo your calculations because i am lazy. i wonder how many hundreds of other chemicals with a similar risk we expose ourselves to. lol i'm just playing devil's advocate. DC's right, lots of calories and no exercise is a truer culprit. everyday i see so many people on their way to a fat and slow death.

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