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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17308181
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Coca-Cola and Pepsi are changing the recipes for their drinks to avoid being legally obliged to put a cancer warning label on the bottle.
The new recipe for caramel colouring in the drinks has less 4-methylimidazole (4-MEI) - a chemical which California has added to its list of carcinogens. The change to the recipe has already been introduced in California but will be rolled out across the US.
Coca-Cola says there is no health risk to justify the change.
But what about the taste, man?!?!
Ah, nm they both suck anyhow.
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The FDA says that a human would have to consume over 1,000 cans of Coke in a day to receive the dose of the carcinogenic chemical that lab rats received
It seems like regulators might be overreaching on this. I know the anti soda lobby in CA is pretty big though.
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Eager_Igraine posted:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17308181
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Coca-Cola and Pepsi are changing the recipes for their drinks to avoid being legally obliged to put a cancer warning label on the bottle.
The new recipe for caramel colouring in the drinks has less 4-methylimidazole (4-MEI) - a chemical which California has added to its list of carcinogens. The change to the recipe has already been introduced in California but will be rolled out across the US.
Coca-Cola says there is no health risk to justify the change.
But what about the taste, man?!?!
Ah, nm they both suck anyhow.
@ the article: LOLSLANTMUCH?
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Coca-Cola and Pepsi are changing the recipes for their drinks to avoid being legally obliged to put a cancer warning label on the bottle.
Translation: companies are removing carcinogens from their product, but we think they should still have to label it as a carcinogen even though the FDA says people would have to drink thirty times their weight in coke per day to get an exposure to the chemical that might constitute a risk.
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What slant do you see there Cawlin?
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Pretty sure everything in California causes cancer...
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AzureTyger posted:
Article posted:
The FDA says that a human would have to consume over 1,000 cans of Coke in a day to receive the dose of the carcinogenic chemical that lab rats received
It seems like regulators might be overreaching on this.
Regulators over-reacting? In California!?
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reesescups posted:
Pretty sure everything in California causes cancer...
No joke, there are signs everywhere stating that something somewhere is known to cause cancer.
I moved to Cali 7 months ago and it made me laugh the amount of signs everywhere saying I was going to die from cancer.
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Wow they go after the coloring and not aspartame?
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AzureTyger posted:
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The FDA says that a human would have to consume over 1,000 cans of Coke in a day to receive the dose of the carcinogenic chemical that lab rats received
It seems like regulators might be overreaching on this. I know the anti soda lobby in CA is pretty big though.
Reading that passage it doesnt really give us any valuable information. It just says that some rats received a dose equivalent to 1,000 cans of coke a day.
It leaves the impression that 1,000 cans a day is the 'not safe' level, but it doesnt actually say that. I imagine that this was lifted straight from Coke's press release and the FDA did not make this statement.
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imaloon1 posted:
Wow they go after the coloring and not aspartame?
Aspartame is generally regarded as safe.
And if you don't like it you can drink Coke Zero and Pepsi Max instead of Diet Coke and Diet Pepsi. 
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Generally, when studying the possible cancer effects of an ingredient, lab rats are given huge amounts of the stuff. The rational is that if lots of the substance causes cancer in a small group, then smaller amounts will cause an increase in the rate of cancer in much larger groups.
As there aren't really any good ways of determining if something increases cancer rates in a large population, we have to depend on studies like this. There are, of course, problems, but, better safe than sorry seems a reasonable policy, especially if it is about something trivil like food coloring.
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It's funny that they phrase it that way. Why didn't they say "Coke and Pepsi eliminate cancer risk."
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paulg_68 posted:
It's funny that they phrase it that way. Why didn't they say "Coke and Pepsi eliminate cancer risk."
Seems like an accurate title considering the cola rep is quoted as saying they don't believe the warning follows good science osemthin.
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The mice had to drink 1000x times the daily does of that to get cancer. What a joke
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Eager_Igraine posted:
paulg_68 posted:
It's funny that they phrase it that way. Why didn't they say "Coke and Pepsi eliminate cancer risk."
Seems like an accurate title considering the cola rep is quoted as saying they don't believe the warning follows good science osemthin.
And, I suspect their lawyers told them that if they admitted a cancer link, they'd be opening themselves to thousands of lawsuits.
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I don't trust the CSPI or CA officials on this. I'd like to see the official FDA statement, or at least how Coke extrapolated it. As much as I am sure that Coke and Pepsi would happily give every kid in America AIDs to make a better profit, this doesn't pass the smell test at face value.
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Spokeswoman Diana Garza-Ciarlante told the Associated Press news agency they wanted to ensure their products "would not be subject to the requirement of a scientifically unfounded warning".
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In a statement Coca-Cola added that the manufacturing process across Europe would not change.
It said that apart from California "not one single regulatory agency around the world considers the exposure of the public to 4-MEI as present in caramels as an issue".
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imaloon1 posted:
Wow they go after the coloring and not aspartame?
The coke that is made in Mexico that has real sugar and no Edit: high fructose corn syrup is so much better then the shit we get in states.
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AzureTyger posted:
I don't trust the CSPI or CA officials on this. I'd like to see the official FDA statement, or at least how Coke extrapolated it. As much as I am sure that Coke and Pepsi would happily give every kid in America AIDs to make a better profit, this doesn't pass the smell test at face value.
I was wrong, the FDA statement does look accurate.
From what I can tell testing indicates statistically significant increase in cancer if you drink a ton of this stuff every day (50+ drinks a day in mice, 1000+ drinks a day in rats).
So lets say 1,000 drinks a day causes a 10% increase in cancer (made this up for easy math).
The FDA position is that since amounts below that show no statistically significant increase, there is 0% increase in cancer below 1,000 drinks a day.
California says there is no evidence to indicate that that is true and the standard approach would be to assume a linear relationship until you can adequately prove a minimum threshhold. So 1,000/day is a 10% increase, 10 drinks a day is a .1% increase, 1 drink a day is a 0.01% increase. Then they set their allowable limit at a level that would cause 1 cancer death per 100,000 soda drinkers.
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