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A certain language. People should be allowed to choose to speak whatever language they want, no?

 

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I've had to bite my tongue over this at work a lot lately. We have a lot of Mexican American temps working the floor and a lot of the middle to upper management want them to "just speak the language of this nation..."

It's bad when the HR guy says things like that. LOL

I'm like, "yah, I think most of the problem was because of a simple language barrier.. They're alright"

His reply, "You mean if they'd just learn freaking English they could do their job?"


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I had to nod and smile at one of my forklift drivers today after he said something to that effect just minutes after detailing that he could not work on Sundays because of his religious beliefs.

 

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I hope he practices the national religion

 

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A certain language. People should be allowed to choose to speak whatever language they want, no?


So we can understand one another and not live like a bunch of African tribes. Why do liberty touting libtards want to walk around with machetes killing each other?

 

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i don't care if ppl who live here learn english or not, it is up to them. but they shouldn't be upset if i can't understand and/or help them when they have a problem.

 

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A certain language. People should be allowed to choose to speak whatever language they want, no?
Conservatives would like to limit the languages that the GOVERNMENT is forced to speak. We don't like having to pay to talk to people who won't learn english.

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A certain language. People should be allowed to choose to speak whatever language they want, no?
Conservatives would like to limit the languages that the GOVERNMENT is forced to speak. We don't like having to pay to talk to people who won't learn english.

Rho




For some reason, I think that's more of a liberal mindset that "conservatives" have adopted. . . Expecting others to change in order to fit the needs of the government/majority.

 

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Rhodoman posted:
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A certain language. People should be allowed to choose to speak whatever language they want, no?
Conservatives would like to limit the languages that the GOVERNMENT is forced to speak. We don't like having to pay to talk to people who won't learn english.

Rho


This. Because the government caters to them, they expect everyone to cater to them

 

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We don't like having to pay to talk to people who won't learn english.

Rho


You don't see how forcing the use of a presently evolving language is short sighted?

 

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Rhodoman posted:
We don't like having to pay to talk to people who won't learn english.

Rho


You don't see how forcing the use of a presently evolving language is short sighted?
I see how wasting tax dollars printing everything in more than one language is helping bankrupt our treasury.

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Allmightybob_MLF posted:
Rhodoman posted:
We don't like having to pay to talk to people who won't learn english.

Rho


You don't see how forcing the use of a presently evolving language is short sighted?


Kind of like not being realistic as the inefficiencies of not being able to communicate effectively.

If you want to live here as a citizen you should have some minimum level of competency of the language that is used.

 

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Is there any regulation or legislation out there forcing the government to make translations?

 

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The neo-bagger-religio-con doesn't really feel anything about freedom of speech. They step aside when Stern gets hammered, cry for Imus, and aren't even able to comprehend that Rush is part of "The Media." One shouldn't hate them for being dim-witted any more than you would hate someone for being short or dyslexic.

 

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Is there any regulation or legislation out there forcing the government to make translations?


http://www.avantpage.com/professional-government-translation-government-translation.html

Because our government has no official language and due to a growing population of immigrants, United States government agencies need a source for accurate, high quality translations.

Why? Government agencies are required by law to provide public information accessibility to all individuals, including those with low English proficiency, as part of compliance with Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Title VI states that discrimination on the ground of race, color, or national origin shall not occur in connection with programs and activities receiving Federal financial assistance. In order to prevent this discrimination, it is necessary for government organizations to communicate with everyone in a language they can understand.


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Is there any regulation or legislation out there forcing the government to make translations?


Not on the federal side to the best of my knowledge, states and counties however, are a different story.

 

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Google Translate quit cryin'

 

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if i were to go to a foreign country to live and work, i would expect to have to learn the language of the country i'm going to. i should not expect them to cater to me. why should it be any different for someone coming to this country?

 

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because you illiterate poor people are heard ENOUGH to understand and when we want to bitch you out for doing a halfass job we want to make sure you understand.

 

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I think we should adopt a national language or languages, but until we do, I don't think we can demand anyone speak a specific language.

doesn't matter that much to me anyway, I have a horrible time understanding people who speak English with a heavy accent anyway.

 

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if i were to go to a foreign country to live and work, i would expect to have to learn the language of the country i'm going to. i should not expect them to cater to me. why should it be any different for someone coming to this country?



This. Speak your native language all you want, but when you are ordering food, in a store, or talking to a nurse in a hospital and none of the people can understand you, then it's your own damn fault for not trying to learn the language of the country you are in. In America, despite what many may think about this place being a "melting pot", the prevailing language is ENGLISH. Learn it or leave.

 

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Rhodoman posted:
OG_Loki posted:
A certain language. People should be allowed to choose to speak whatever language they want, no?
Conservatives would like to limit the languages that the GOVERNMENT is forced to speak. We don't like having to pay to talk to people who won't learn english.

Rho


This, government runs more efficiently when it sticks with one language.

One only has to see the costs incurred when mistakes are made by having government speak more than one language with lost Mars Orbiter.

 

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This is a tough one to answer. Should there be a national language? Yes, there should be.

Language sets your frame of mind. It allows seamless communication from one person to another with clear cut meaning and direction. Throw in translation and sometimes the mood or even meaning is lost. Arabic is a great example of this problem. You might say the right words but if you place the accent wrong or emphasize the wrong portion of your phrasing you might get taken the wrong way.

I know there is no law specifying a national language but you can infer a national standard by states that have laws governing our public schools which require English be taught and is required to graduate.

Edit: Snide comment, but those who make the biggest noise are catering to the voters by dancing to their toon. I'm going to go out on a limb here, but the people who complain the most about "language" issues were probably not born here and live in the community with others of the same origin (balkanization) or rely on their children if they are older.

Now you have the middle class which is predominantly english speaking breaking their back to support the welfare of minority groups who couldn't get a job in Quick Check because they cannot say hello and look you in the eye with confidence.

OR they came here illegally, can apply for state funding and get a college education all bought and payed for by you, the American worker who gets trashed whenever they raise a simple issue such as one language that is required.

BUT

I guess it is ok to rape the system and cause us to pay billions because of a language barrier.

If these people knew english, they would have the confidence to get out there and get a job to get out of the welfare system but the government actually exploits them and these people are blind to the fact that the system they rely on is killing them in the end.

 

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if i were to go to a foreign country to live and work, i would expect to have to learn the language of the country i'm going to. i should not expect them to cater to me. why should it be any different for someone coming to this country?



This. Speak your native language all you want, but when you are ordering food, in a store, or talking to a nurse in a hospital and none of the people can understand you, then it's your own damn fault for not trying to learn the language of the country you are in. In America, despite what many may think about this place being a "melting pot", the prevailing language is ENGLISH. Learn it or leave.

 

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like how big your cable bill is? yeah one of the expenses we pay for is to have a translator service so we can talk with all our customers. Rumor has it they even have a guy that speaks Klingon, though I've been tempted I haven't asked for him.

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like how big your cable bill is? yeah one of the expenses we pay for is to have a translator service so we can talk with all our customers. Rumor has it they even have a guy that speaks Klingon, though I've been tempted I haven't asked for him.

KA PLAH!


in AZ when I worked in call centers, we had spanish speaking reps, they made all of $1 more per hour than regular english only reps.

 

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like how big your cable bill is? yeah one of the expenses we pay for is to have a translator service so we can talk with all our customers. Rumor has it they even have a guy that speaks Klingon, though I've been tempted I haven't asked for him.

KA PLAH!


in AZ when I worked in call centers, we had spanish speaking reps, they made all of $1 more per hour than regular english only reps.


which is a little over 2k a year on a 40hr work week, and I wouldn't call that insignificant.

 

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Jezza_Belle posted:
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like how big your cable bill is? yeah one of the expenses we pay for is to have a translator service so we can talk with all our customers. Rumor has it they even have a guy that speaks Klingon, though I've been tempted I haven't asked for him.

KA PLAH!


in AZ when I worked in call centers, we had spanish speaking reps, they made all of $1 more per hour than regular english only reps.


which is a little over 2k a year on a 40hr work week, and I wouldn't call that insignificant.


tell that to the whitehouse and all those morons tweeting what "40 dollars means to me".

 

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if i were to go to a foreign country to live and work, i would expect to have to learn the language of the country i'm going to. i should not expect them to cater to me. why should it be any different for someone coming to this country?


Acting like brown people have a different attitude...

 

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Since there was hundred of languages here before the United States... and we have added dozens more since the formation... I just do not see any rationale.

America is great at innovation because of its diversity... we have people from all over thinking about problems in different ways because of how they grew up...

Making 1 language will do nothing but hurt us... just because people think "their America" is correct and want to impose it on other people does not make it right.

 

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Since there was hundred of languages here before the United States... and we have added dozens more since the formation... I just do not see any rationale.

America is great at innovation because of its diversity... we have people from all over thinking about problems in different ways because of how they grew up...

Making 1 language will do nothing but hurt us... just because people think "their America" is correct and want to impose it on other people does not make it right.


Maybe if all the natives had shared a single language, they would have been able to share their knowledge more easily, progressed their technology and wouldn't have gotten steamrolled by the English speaking white man.

 

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Since there was hundred of languages here before the United States... and we have added dozens more since the formation... I just do not see any rationale.

America is great at innovation because of its diversity... we have people from all over thinking about problems in different ways because of how they grew up...

Making 1 language will do nothing but hurt us... just because people think "their America" is correct and want to impose it on other people does not make it right.


Maybe if all the natives had shared a single language, they would have been able to share their knowledge more easily, progressed their technology and wouldn't have gotten steamrolled by the English speaking white man.
and the Spanish, Portuguese, and French...

 

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Ah-Schoo posted:
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Since there was hundred of languages here before the United States... and we have added dozens more since the formation... I just do not see any rationale.

America is great at innovation because of its diversity... we have people from all over thinking about problems in different ways because of how they grew up...

Making 1 language will do nothing but hurt us... just because people think "their America" is correct and want to impose it on other people does not make it right.


Maybe if all the natives had shared a single language, they would have been able to share their knowledge more easily, progressed their technology and wouldn't have gotten steamrolled by the English speaking white man.
and the Spanish, Portuguese, and French...


He referenced the United States. Who dominated the area we now know as the United States? Yeah. English speaking white men. One language. Easily shared knowledge, nothing gets lost in translation.

No, let's do the liberal thing and encourage 1000 different languages so we end up living like tribes unable to communicate with people in the next village.

 

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if i were to go to a foreign country to live and work, i would expect to have to learn the language of the country i'm going to. i should not expect them to cater to me. why should it be any different for someone coming to this country?


Acting like brown people have a different attitude...
What is brown about language?

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He referenced the United States. Who dominated the area we now know as the United States? Yeah. English speaking white men. One language. Easily shared knowledge, nothing gets lost in translation.

No, let's do the liberal thing and encourage 1000 different languages so we end up living like tribes unable to communicate with people in the next village.


There is a few linguistic groups with hundreds of different dialects... probably no different than Europe. People also traded throughout North America... there was an advanced sign language that was used.

I am confused why people are romanticizing the past... if you think people could all talk to each other anytime in America's history you are confused... I am guessing that a lot of people could not even understand the illiterate English people running around speaking their hillbilly dialect. Also always has been immigrants speaking different languages.

And I am confused by what you mean got "dominated"... there are 569 Native Nations currently that have government to government relations with the United States.

 

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lost... to the French.

I dont even...

 

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He referenced the United States. Who dominated the area we now know as the United States? Yeah. English speaking white men. One language. Easily shared knowledge, nothing gets lost in translation.

No, let's do the liberal thing and encourage 1000 different languages so we end up living like tribes unable to communicate with people in the next village.


There is a few linguistic groups with hundreds of different dialects... probably no different than Europe. People also traded throughout North America... there was an advanced sign language that was used.

I am confused why people are romanticizing the past... if you think people could all talk to each other anytime in America's history you are confused... I am guessing that a lot of people could not even understand the illiterate English people running around speaking their hillbilly dialect. Also always has been immigrants speaking different languages.

And I am confused by what you mean got "dominated"... there are 569 Native Nations currently that have government to government relations with the United States.



Who is romanticizing the past? I'm saying at present, English is our dominant language. It is the international trade language and the de facto (there is some language diversity for you) language of our science.

And yeah, dominated. As in wtfpwned.

 

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AliHajiSheik posted:
and the Dutch!
I'm embarrassed for forgetting them.

 

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A certain language. People should be allowed to choose to speak whatever language they want, no?
Conservatives would like to limit the languages that the GOVERNMENT is forced to speak. We don't like having to pay to talk to people who won't learn english.

Rho




For some reason, I think that's more of a liberal mindset that "conservatives" have adopted. . . Expecting others to change in order to fit the needs of the government/majority.



I know like how other countries do it... oh wait...

Unless you are super special you better learn to speak that countries native language in order to do business there.

 

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because every country on the planet has a national language?

and english is our defacto national language.

 

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If you can't see the inefficiency in having a society where people can't verbally communicate with other because they speak different languages, I have no choice but to conclude, that you really are a stupid person.

 

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Every civilization evolves to one main language. It's just how people grow and unite.

 

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