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I've kept a long way from Apple for 30 years. I could see the direction they were going. It not a shock that Liberal picked the most restrictive system. Their thoughts on the subject? Sure prices will go up but that is what we want anyway.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/08/us-apple-e-books-idUSBRE8270B020120308?feedType=RSS&feedName=technologyNews
U.S. and European officials have been investigating whether publishers and Apple acted together to drive up prices in the booming electronic book industry, blocking rivals such as Amazon from offering cheaper e-books.
Antitrust rules forbid price-fixing agreements designed to shut out competitors or drive up what consumers pay.
The book says that Jobs, who died in October, was aware of publishers' frustration with Amazon. It quotes Jobs as saying: "So we told the publishers, 'We'll go to the agency model, where you set the price, and we get our 30 percent and yes, the customer pays a little more but that's what you want anyway.' ... So they went to Amazon and said, 'You're going to sign an agency contract or we're not going to give you the books.'"
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I've kept a long way from Apple for 30 years. I could see the direction they were going. It not a shock that Liberal picked the most restrictive system. Their thoughts on the subject? Sure prices will go up but that is what we want anyway.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/08/us-apple-e-books-idUSBRE8270B020120308?feedType=RSS&feedName=technologyNews
U.S. and European officials have been investigating whether publishers and Apple acted together to drive up prices in the booming electronic book industry, blocking rivals such as Amazon from offering cheaper e-books.
Antitrust rules forbid price-fixing agreements designed to shut out competitors or drive up what consumers pay.
The book says that Jobs, who died in October, was aware of publishers' frustration with Amazon. It quotes Jobs as saying: "So we told the publishers, 'We'll go to the agency model, where you set the price, and we get our 30 percent and yes, the customer pays a little more but that's what you want anyway.' ... So they went to Amazon and said, 'You're going to sign an agency contract or we're not going to give you the books.'"
You seriously need a punch to the head.
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Fist Sobaki wants to punch you in the head dude!
Are you going to take that?
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LIBERALLLSSSS!!!!1!! Anyone i don't agree with is one of them!
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Talking about liberals is pure puma lunacy but on teh subject he's right. They fix pricing so that an e-book, which you are not supposed to share, is $12.99 while a paperback is 9.99, and you can give that to someone else when it's done. Of course it's price fixing.
So is the price of games. You think that $59.99 was the number that Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo and their licensees came up with individually based on their cost structure? 
They've even managed to drag PC games to that level. It will be $69.99 before you know it and only a twit would think that they are not getting together and agreeing on the price point(s).
It's blatantly illegal but they do it anyway. I'm surprised they get away with it. It doesn't work in their other industries but for games nobody says boo.
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I read that article earlier. I'm not a fan of price fixing at all and yet I can't help but wonder why Fisted is angry about the free market and private enterprise at work. The publishers, who, you know, publish the books or e-books, wanted a larger part of the profits made from sales to the retailer (the retailer in question was trying to corner the market on their own product by selling e-books for peanuts, thus effecting the publisher bottom line as well), so the publisher moved to a different format. For selling their product. The retailer doesn't have to sell that product, right?
Why so mad, Fisted?
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isnt raising prices the goal of all corporations?
isnt that why cell providers raise their prices one at a time?
why else is gas over 4 bucks a gallon?
is fisty just now realizing that the free market is only free for the corporations to raise raise their prices?
have your repubes vote for more deregulations, fisty
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Protip; You might be a dumb ass if you don't know the difference between regulations and criminal law. Crimes such as racketeering, fraud, collusion.
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protip; you might be a dumbass
look around you. raising prices is what corporations do
its how the rich get richer.
squeezing profits from any turnip they come across, cutting wages, investing in slave labor/sweatshops, hiring illegal workers, etc...
are you surprised to see price fixing among their crimes?
is that worse than hiring illegal workers for substandard pay in dangerous conditions?
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I don't how that quote demonstrates that apple was involved in price fixing or collusion. It was a comparison of two models, one where amazon was determining the price and one where apple was simply demanding a cut and the book publisher set the price.
/boggle
Price collusion is a big deal because it basically turns a small number of large companies into a pseudo monopoly with regard to their capacity to set prices.
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Hmm, no response from Fisted.
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Big corporations have been doing behind the scenes agreements on price ranges on consumer products since the creation of light bulp.
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Today Fist hates the free market, capitalism and supports more regulations...
Is it opposite day or something?
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Just the 180 degree world!
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Ironically, Amazon was accused of doing almost exactly the same thing, when eBooks first came to the fore. Amazon artificially set the price of every eBook at $9.99 and tried to force the publishers to comply. The publishers wanted the right to set the market price.
So whom do you support, Fist? The company trying to dictate the price of a product to the producer (Amazon) or the company trying to collude in price fixing (Apple)?
The real problem is that both of them have way, way too much market share and can actually engage in such practices meaningfully. Amazon has something like 20% of the book seller market - that a HUGE portion for one company. I'm sure we all know what kinds of market share Apple has.
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And what does this have to do with liberals that isn't made up in Fisteds delusions?
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I read that article earlier. I'm not a fan of price fixing at all and yet I can't help but wonder why Fisted is angry about the free market and private enterprise at work. The publishers, who, you know, publish the books or e-books, wanted a larger part of the profits made from sales to the retailer (the retailer in question was trying to corner the market on their own product by selling e-books for peanuts, thus effecting the publisher bottom line as well), so the publisher moved to a different format. For selling their product. The retailer doesn't have to sell that product, right?
Why so mad, Fisted?
Because that is not free market. Only a liberal with no idea what a free market is would think otherwise.
Yes, I distain liberals. They never give me a reason to do otherwise. Look at this thread. On a subject we should all be in total agreement on they turned into a partisan attack. Useless trash the lot of them.
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how is it not?
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I read that article earlier. I'm not a fan of price fixing at all and yet I can't help but wonder why Fisted is angry about the free market and private enterprise at work. The publishers, who, you know, publish the books or e-books, wanted a larger part of the profits made from sales to the retailer (the retailer in question was trying to corner the market on their own product by selling e-books for peanuts, thus effecting the publisher bottom line as well), so the publisher moved to a different format. For selling their product. The retailer doesn't have to sell that product, right?
Why so mad, Fisted?
Because that is not free market. Only a liberal with no idea what a free market is would think otherwise.
corporations are doing what they want and acting in their bet interest.
Heck you even know about it and have a choice...
How is that not a free market?
Are you suggesting it won't be a 'free market' until after the government steps in and tells them how to price their products?
Did you forget to take your meds?
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Usually when people talk free market they are talking about markets that are free of monopoly and oligopolies.
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Fists_himself posted:
PLEASE KICK ME IN THE NADS!
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That seems wrong. A truly free market is a market where there's no government interference.
Now most free marketers support some level of government intervention to stop monopolistic behavior but I don't think that changes the definition of free market itself.
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That seems wrong. A truly free market is a market where there's no government interference.
Now most free marketers support some level of government intervention to stop monopolistic behavior but I don't think that changes the definition of free market itself.
Oligopoly is a type of market. I would not call this market a free market. I would call it an oligopoly.
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A type of free market, if there's no government interference.
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That seems wrong. A truly free market is a market where there's no government interference.
Now most free marketers support some level of government intervention to stop monopolistic behavior but I don't think that changes the definition of free market itself.
The fundamental ignorance on display by Yuk. Not his fault really. He has never been exposed to the truth so it we can hardly expect him to know it.
Yes, going by strict definition a free market would be free of all restrictions. Liberals are good at making up words to fit their propaganda (see subsidy) but always resort to the strict meaning when attacking Conservatives.
Our understanding of a free market is one where no one has complete control over the pricing of a product. Competition must prevail! This means no price support. No government picking who wins or loses. No too big to fail. No special tax breaks that only they can get. No special rules and regulations that prevent others from getting into the market. No “license†to restrict the number of competitors.
Government should be there to insure everyone plays within the rules. They should be there to stop the cheats and liars. Sadly they have mostly failed on all account.
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The fundamental ignorance on display by Yuk. Not his fault really. He has never been exposed to the truth so it we can hardly expect him to know it.
You are a laugh riot.
And an idiot, brother you are an idiot.
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Fist_de_Yuma posted:
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That seems wrong. A truly free market is a market where there's no government interference.
Now most free marketers support some level of government intervention to stop monopolistic behavior but I don't think that changes the definition of free market itself.
The fundamental ignorance on display by Yuk. Not his fault really. He has never been exposed to the truth so it we can hardly expect him to know it.
Yes, going by strict definition a free market would be free of all restrictions. Liberals are good at making up words to fit their propaganda (see subsidy) but always resort to the strict meaning when attacking Conservatives.
Our understanding of a free market is one where no one has complete control over the pricing of a product. Competition must prevail! This means no price support. No government picking who wins or loses. No too big to fail. No special tax breaks that only they can get. No special rules and regulations that prevent others from getting into the market. No “license†to restrict the number of competitors.
Government should be there to insure everyone plays within the rules. They should be there to stop the cheats and liars. Sadly they have mostly failed on all account.
So you say Yuki is ignorant and then you agree with him. 
If publishers want to set the price of their products, why do you want the government to prevent them? Consumers don't have to buy from them, amirite?
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@ Yuki. I have rarely ever heard people say they are advocates for perfect competition or perfect markets. I have heard plenty of people say they are advocates for free markets.
Fist's post is so full of stupid it is pretty stupid to act like there is some great pwn in the use of the term free market.
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I have rarely ever heard people say they are advocates for perfect competition or perfect markets. I have heard plenty of people say they are advocates for free markets.
Fist's post is so full of stupid it is pretty stupid to act like there is some great pwn in the use of the term free market.
Oh I agree. But a free market is a market without government restrictions. When people say they are advocates of free markets they actually mean they are advocates of more free markets because no one actually wants totally free markets because they don't work and everyone realizes it.
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I think by and large they mean perfect markets. I think there is an assumption that free means perfect for the most part.
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(sigh) I tried. Once again liberals prove they are more interested in attacking someone that debating the issues. When will I learn.
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The fundamental ignorance on display by Yuk.
Yes, going by strict definition a free market would be free of all restrictions.
I am glad you agree with my fundamental ignorance and I am glad you also agree with me that government intervention in the market is required for a healthy economy.
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(sigh) I tried. Once again liberals prove they are more interested in attacking someone that debating the issues. When will I learn.
Are you for free markets or perfect markets? Does government involvement in this scenario push the market towards a more perfect market or not?
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The fundamental ignorance on display by Yuk.
Yes, going by strict definition a free market would be free of all restrictions.
I am glad you agree with my fundamental ignorance and I am glad you also agree with me that government intervention in the market is required for a healthy economy.
Of course I agree. I just think we have very different ideals of what "government intervention" is necessary. Until liberals stop misusing words we will never agree. Heck, we cannot even understand each other most of the time. They raise something 5% and call it a cut. They take less and call it a subsidy. How can we debate when the liberals don't even understand the meaning of words?
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Fist_de_Yuma posted:
(sigh) I tried. Once again liberals prove they are more interested in attacking someone that debating the issues. When will I learn.
You will never learn to stop attacking liberals when they debate your arguments and leave you no where else to turn. Of course, your arguments usually revolve around attacking liberals as well so at least you are consistent in your hypocrisy.
This thread is at least a little different in your championing of government intervention in the free market though, so gratz on that I guess. Why do you love big government so much?
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Fist_de_Yuma posted:
When will I learn.
Never.
You don't have a 'learn' mode...
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Fist_de_Yuma posted:
They raise something 5% and call it a cut.
Redefining cuts again I see. One week it has one definition for you, the next week a different definition...
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You're a crazy moron*
*http://vnboards.ign.com/outpost/b22180/115147923/r115151508/
hah! true story tho i'm a woman an i even love boobs..how can you not??- HallowEve
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