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California had gone from the best state in the Union to one of the worse. At the same time it moved from Conservative to Liberal. Union greed and willing Democrats completed the decline. Now the state starts to look more like Greece than America. If the other stated don’t understand how this came about they are doomed to follow. That is; if the Federal Government does not collapse first.
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When private firms don’t provide good services, consumers have choices. When city governments fail to perform adequately because they have squandered their budgets, residents are left waiting, hoping, and eventually moving. As an elected supervisor in another beleaguered California county once opined: “County government is becoming a pension provider that provides government services on the side.†That’s true practically everywhere in the once Golden State. In Stockton, the results are plain to see.
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When was California the "best state in the union?"
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Stockton wasn't controlled just by democrats I don't think. It is not a very liberal city at all.
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It's represented by all democrats and according to eopdunk.com a majority of people living in San Joaquin County voted for Bush 53% to Kerry's 46% and 55% for Obama to 44% for McCain, but that's the county not the city itself which I can't seem to find.
http://www.epodunk.com/cgi-bin/politicalInfo.php?locIndex=10934
Edit: And only 64% of the eligible population is registered to vote of which 42% is democrat and 38% is republican.
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Stockton wasn't controlled just by democrats I don't think. It is not a very liberal city at all.
Why do you keep bringing up this stanky red herring when it has been debunked the last few times you've thrown it out there? Both about the state overall, and a few specific munis you keep tossing out / weighing in on, like Stockton?
Is this the kneejerk Cali reaction? Toss out blatant crap and wait to see if you get called on it?
Isn't Cali your back yard? If you want *any* credibility beyond the goldfish gif, you really should have some clue about your own back yard.
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It's represented by all democrats[/link]
Where do you get the data on that? I don't necessarily disbelieve you it's just sorta unexpected given it's a central valley city, and those are typically pretty conservative.
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Yukishiro1 posted:
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It's represented by all democrats[/link]
Where do you get the data on that? I don't necessarily disbelieve you it's just sorta unexpected given it's a central valley city, and those are typically pretty conservative.
State voter registration website.
Here's the report on the county.
http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/ror/ror-pages/ror-odd-year-11/county.pdf
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I was talking about who it's represented by, not voter registration.
You'd also have to look back over the past couple decades to get a good picture of who was responsible for the pension funding choices they made.
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Oh that came from wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockton,_Ca
Government
• Type Council-Manager
• Mayor Ann Johnston
• City Council Elbert Holman
Katherine Miller
Paul Canepa
Diana Lowery
Susan Talamantes Eggman
Dale Fritchen
• City Manager Bob Deis
• Senate Lois Wolk (D)
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That's for state gubmint, not city gubmint. It doesn't list partisan affiliation for the city council/mayor/managers.
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That's for state gubmint, not city gubmint. It doesn't list partisan affiliation for the city council/mayor/managers.
Yeah I tried finding it but I couldn't find anything, which isn't surprising. I doubt many local officials run on political party affiliation.
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In 1978, Dem registration was at 56.6%, whereas it is now at 44.6%.
California as a whole is actually less liberal now than it used to be.
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Fist_de_Yuma posted:
California had gone from the best state in the Union to one of the worse. At the same time it moved from Conservative to Liberal. Union greed and willing Democrats completed the decline. Now the state starts to look more like Greece than America. If the other stated don’t understand how this came about they are doomed to follow. That is; if the Federal Government does not collapse first.
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When private firms don’t provide good services, consumers have choices. When city governments fail to perform adequately because they have squandered their budgets, residents are left waiting, hoping, and eventually moving. As an elected supervisor in another beleaguered California county once opined: “County government is becoming a pension provider that provides government services on the side.†That’s true practically everywhere in the once Golden State. In Stockton, the results are plain to see.
Considering just how miserable your life is with all these liberals, you should just end it immediately. Bye.
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City, county and state workers should just go fock themselves, screw them and their pensions and benefits that they were contractually promised.
Meanwhile the Fists of the world will continue to take advantage of their gubmint benefits like the VA because they "earned it."
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We already have some Greece like states...permanently slow economic growth, below average education and dependent on continual handouts from richer neighbors (such as california)....the deep south has been this way for a long time and the fisto's of the world cant seem to grasp it.
Fisto is warning us about how horrible it might be if the rest of the nation were richer and better educated. Thanks for staying on top of things fist.
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Kjarhall posted:
In 1978, Dem registration was at 56.6%, whereas it is now at 44.6%.
California as a whole is actually less liberal now than it used to be.
And republican is at 30% with the reminder being not affiliated with a major party.
According to voter records, as of the last few years it's been voting for more and more democrats. Sorry your statement doesn't hold up.
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Look at what liberals did to Detroit.
LOL!
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Look at what liberals did to Detroit.
LOL!
What? Saved it with a huge government bailout while the Republicans like Mitt Romney were against it? DARN LIBERALZ!!!
Oh, and California recalled a Democratic Governor and replaced him with a Republican Governor not too long ago. HTH, Puma.
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Look at what liberals did to Detroit.
LOL!
wtf is this newb?
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Whenever the first sentence of a diatribe ends with something like "to one of the worse", I tend to not continue reading, political rhetoric aside...
I guess this is one of the reasons I wasn't a fan of your "fisting with friends" articles back in the day...
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Yukishiro1 posted:
Stockton wasn't controlled just by democrats I don't think. It is not a very liberal city at all.
Why do you keep bringing up this stanky red herring when it has been debunked the last few times you've thrown it out there? Both about the state overall, and a few specific munis you keep tossing out / weighing in on, like Stockton?
Is this the kneejerk Cali reaction? Toss out blatant crap and wait to see if you get called on it?
Isn't Cali your back yard? If you want *any* credibility beyond the goldfish gif, you really should have some clue about your own back yard.
Hey - I gave you an easy fish to fry on this a week or so back. Don't go get some big ego about it....
Outside of the two population centers California is as red as raw beef... It's hard to keep up with which particular city/county in the middle of nowhere might have going on politically... Safe bet is though if it's not in the LA region and it's not in the San Fran region, it's prolly red. 9/10 that's true.
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combat_mage_sc posted:
Look at what liberals did to Detroit.
LOL!
What? Saved it with a huge government bailout
LMFAO! 
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combat_mage_sc posted:
B_Shinkicker posted:
combat_mage_sc posted:
Look at what liberals did to Detroit.
LOL!
What? Saved it with a huge government bailout
LMFAO!
GM posts 103 year record profits.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/business/2012/02/gm-posts-record-7-6-billion-profit/
Where are all these noob clowns showing up from?
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B_Shinkicker posted:
combat_mage_sc posted:
Look at what liberals did to Detroit.
LOL!
What? Saved it with a huge government bailout while the Republicans like Mitt Romney were against it? DARN LIBERALZ!!!
Oh, and California recalled a Democratic Governor and replaced him with a Republican Governor not too long ago. HTH, Puma.
yup
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all one has to do to see the future of the neo-liberal/progressive ideology is the federal prison system
Everyone there has a place, food, water, and a job and all are socially and economically equal to each othrt
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Outside of the two population centers California is as red as raw beef...
Which explains why all major state offices and the entire state legislature are currently held by Dems... how?
Those two population centers outweigh the entire rest of the state 2:1? And with near-unanimous blue-oc-racy?
Doesn't. Make. Sense.
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Outside of the two population centers California is as red as raw beef...
Which explains why all major state offices and the entire state legislature are currently held by Dems... how?
I don't know - I'm not trying to explain anything to you - just tell you the facts.
Maybe the Republicans were running a bunch of schmucks for office lately? /shrug
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Which explains why all major state offices and the entire state legislature are currently held by Dems... how?
1. The entire state lesgislature isn't held by dems. Dems have about 60% of the seats. Which corresponds pretty well to partisan affiliation in the state. Due to persistent partisan gerrymandering (supported by both parties) this hasn't changed much over the last 20 years.
2. The California republican party has fallen on hard times recently. If you look back over the last 10 years at statewide office you see there is a lot of partisan churn. Half of the last 4 governors have been republican and half democrat. If you go back 20 years it is more republican than democrat. Other statewide offices are similar.
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combat_mage_sc posted:
B_Shinkicker posted:
[quote=combat_mage_sc]Look at what liberals did to Detroit.
LOL!
What? Saved it with a huge government bailout
LMFAO!
GM posts 103 year record profits.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/business/2012/02/gm-posts-record-7-6-billion-profit/
Where are all these noob clowns showing up from?[/quote] This one is ACF's version of Blew Arrow
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I don't mind at all posting more stupidity. It's all about the post count.
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Kjarhall posted:
In 1978, Dem registration was at 56.6%, whereas it is now at 44.6%.
California as a whole is actually less liberal now than it used to be.
And republican is at 30% with the reminder being not affiliated with a major party.
According to voter records, as of the last few years it's been voting for more and more democrats. Sorry your statement doesn't hold up.
And in 1978 Republicans were 32%. Do the math and it supports my statement.
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Kjarhall posted:
DemonicXH posted:
Kjarhall posted:
In 1978, Dem registration was at 56.6%, whereas it is now at 44.6%.
California as a whole is actually less liberal now than it used to be.
And republican is at 30% with the reminder being not affiliated with a major party.
According to voter records, as of the last few years it's been voting for more and more democrats. Sorry your statement doesn't hold up.
And in 1978 Republicans were 32%. Do the math and it supports my statement.
http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/ror/ror-pages/154day-presprim-12/hist-reg-stats.pdf
Since 1995 more and more people are leaving the republican party, meanwhile the democrat party is increasing in members. The data from state voting records does not support your statement.
I can't find the table I was looking at yesterday but the voting record in California has been going more and more towards democrats in recent years.
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Still doesn't refute my statement unless there are more Dems now than in 1978. Which there aren't.
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You nuts really think spending is partisan? Yes, both sides do it. The Republicans took a lot of heat for it and "say" they have changed. The Democrats are still out there demanding more. At least we should get on the same page. Big spenders are bad no matter what party. This is not a "points" issue. It is our way of life that is at risk.
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Still doesn't refute my statement unless there are more Dems now than in 1978. Which there aren't.
Read the chart, there are 3 million more registered voters then there was in 1995. If you do that math, there are 578,000 more registered democrats today then there was in 1995.
Unless you can find voter registration records from 1978, your statement is just opinion. I tried looking but the state's website doesn't have that info available.
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Actual voter roll history:
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1978 - 57% voted Dem vs. 35% voted Rep
2010 - 44% voted Dem vs. 31% voted Rep
Clearly people are moving away to non registered or other party, most of the dems. Less liberals, unless they all moved to an even more liberal party. I'm guessing it's more Libertarian and Independent, which is the same as what's happening in other states.
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Fist_de_Yuma posted:
You nuts really think spending is partisan? Yes, both sides do it. The Republicans took a lot of heat for it and "say" they have changed. The Democrats are still out there demanding more. At least we should get on the same page. Big spenders are bad no matter what party. This is not a "points" issue. It is our way of life that is at risk.
You're so stupid.
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Kjarhall posted:
Actual voter roll history:
math =
1978 - 57% voted Dem vs. 35% voted Rep
2010 - 44% voted Dem vs. 31% voted Rep
Clearly people are moving away to non registered or other party, most of the dems. Less liberals, unless they all moved to an even more liberal party. I'm guessing it's more Libertarian and Independent, which is the same as what's happening in other states.
In June of 1978 there was 5,610,357 registered democrats to 3,450,469 registered republicans.
In January of 2012 there was 7,424,334 registered democrats to 5,176,600 registered democrats.
There's still 2 million more registered democrats today then there was in 1978 and it's going up while repubs numbers continue to go down. I understand what point you are trying to make about the independent voters. I would imagine it was more of them being fed up with either of the parties then a changing of ideals.
I can't find the chart I was looking at yesterday but each year more and more people are voting democrat then republican.
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I can't find the chart I was looking at yesterday but each year more and more people are voting democrat then republican.
And yet even with that, the state is still less liberal than it was 25 years ago.
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In June of 1978 there was 5,610,357 registered democrats to 3,450,469 registered republicans.
In January of 2012 there was 7,424,334 registered democrats to 5,176,600 registered democrats.
So in your cut up explanation of these numbers you see the flat increase in the number of registered Dems, but you don't see the flat increase in the number of Reps?
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DemonicXH posted:
In June of 1978 there was 5,610,357 registered democrats to 3,450,469 registered republicans.
In January of 2012 there was 7,424,334 registered democrats to 5,176,600 registered republicans.
So in your cut up explanation of these numbers you see the flat increase in the number of registered Dems, but you don't see the flat increase in the number of Reps?
Of course I did, but as time goes on, the repubes are losing more and more voters and the democrats are growing. Since 2008 the repubes lost 3% whereas the democrats gained 1%.
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DemonicXH posted:
reesescups posted:
DemonicXH posted:
In June of 1978 there was 5,610,357 registered democrats to 3,450,469 registered republicans.
In January of 2012 there was 7,424,334 registered democrats to 5,176,600 registered republicans.
So in your cut up explanation of these numbers you see the flat increase in the number of registered Dems, but you don't see the flat increase in the number of Reps?
Of course I did,
Can you count to potato?
Over the same time period - Dems saw an increase of ~33%, Reps saw an increase of ~50%...
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