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Yukishiro1 
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Subject: It's funny how people who are obsessed with status symbols will almost never admit it
It is interesting how our culture does its best to both teach people that having status symbols is extremely important and that thinking status symbols are extremley important is bad. grin

 

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Do status symbols have status symbols? confused

 

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We like to brand ourselves. I am what I drive. I am what I do. I am not this or not that. If you have a style then go with it. I bought a pair of Doc martin boots because they have great marketing. The boot is not bad though. i think they earned it. I'll buy a triumph because its not a Harley and I like its style. But wtf do i know? If it fits and looks good then go for it. I dont buy my clothes at Walmart. But I will buy something from a discount place like Marshalls. I hate going to bloomingdales and spending an extra $100-200 for a pair of jeans. i wont do it.

 

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Subject: It's funny how people who are obsessed with status symbols will almost never admit it
i still need to attract a mate

trying to peacock myself out

essentially you can blame women for men needing status symbols

 

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Maybe we should stop paying people to teach the social aspects and just stick to academics, since they seem to be screwing it up badly.

 

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Peacocking yourself out will get you laid not get you a mate

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I want a mate rotation. One woman is not the swiss army knife of all women.

 

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uh, banging comes before marriage

 

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How do you think you get them to stick around? When a woman gives it up she is making an investment of sorts, I say give it up in the sense of any physical contact from holding hands, kissing, heavy petting, sex. Each level is more of an investment... however she still has to like your tail feathers. A good watch, good threads, etc is an important part of the mating ritual.

 

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Any dude can get any woman, once to a few times, until they discover how shallow and empty the man is. Then they bolt. It takes a man to keep a woman's attention.

 

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Subject: It's funny how people who are obsessed with status symbols will almost never admit it
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Any dude can get any woman, once to a few times, until they discover how shallow and empty the man is. Then they bolt. It takes a man to keep a woman's attention.



This.

 

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you can be the best man in the world, but women dont give you a second glace unless you can attract their attention

 

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I always found the reverse to be true. If you are a "nice" guy that a girl would want to take home to meet the parents you can pretty easily maintain the relationship, but it is harder to get them started... I am generally speaking of course.

 

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What type of women are you trying to attract?

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i dont even know any more

 

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Well I dont have a clue on how to get a woman but I think you need to get one you feel comfortable with who you have common interests with. Sinlock found a really cool wife with many common interests with him. Very impressive

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Snarf_Igraine posted:
I always found the reverse to be true. If you are a "nice" guy that a girl would want to take home to meet the parents you can pretty easily maintain the relationship, but it is harder to get them started... I am generally speaking of course.


This however is bullshit.

not all women look for the "nice" guy when they first meet. A lot of men are nice guys. you need to be different than most if you want to attract the girl YOU want to be with. Thinking being a nice guy is good enough is a recipe for disaster. Elocism is right that pea cocking will attract the beautiful women you want to bang, but if you have the alpha male/peacock attitude + you're a man with depth, intelligence with a great personality, you will get much further than the socially awkward nice guy that has trouble being confident.

 

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I tend to actively avoid status symbols and feel uncomfortable when I have one.

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tenkly posted:
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I always found the reverse to be true. If you are a "nice" guy that a girl would want to take home to meet the parents you can pretty easily maintain the relationship, but it is harder to get them started... I am generally speaking of course.


This however is bullshit.

not all women look for the "nice" guy when they first meet. A lot of men are nice guys. you need to be different than most if you want to attract the girl YOU want to be with. Thinking being a nice guy is good enough is a recipe for disaster. Elocism is right that pea cocking will attract the beautiful women you want to bang, but if you have the alpha male/peacock attitude + you're a man with depth, intelligence with a great personality, you will get much further than the socially awkward nice guy that has trouble being confident.


You prove my point. Being the nice guy doesn't work to get them, duh. Being the nice guy KEEEPS them. Which is why it was harder for me to get them and not keep them.

 

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pfft.. You'd never notice mine and if you do you've got excellent taste. wink

I do not wear any gold, diamonds or such no rings. My suits are of a good cut, tailor and fabric but very conservative on the edge of somber, same with my shoes and the only accessories I have are basically my watch which is on the pricey side and my cufflinks.

I wear status symbols that are very muted and really only recognizable if closely examined, I'd look just as good as a medium costly off rack suit as I do in my tailored ones.

Yes I like my status symbols but I see no need to advertise I buy them because I want them, I'd never buy anything as gaudy and vulgar as a Ferrari or diamond cufflinks or anything as stupid as that.

 

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You do not need status symbols to attract a mate. In fact they will probably be counterproductive as you'll attract people interested in your status symbols, not in you. Which just sets you up for grief down the road when they figure out.

Attracting a mate is all about projecting confidence and interest. A status symbol may be one way to do that but it's a very shallow way that ultimately doesn't get you all that far unless your mate is a shallow golddigger.

 

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tenkly posted:
Snarf_Igraine posted:
I always found the reverse to be true. If you are a "nice" guy that a girl would want to take home to meet the parents you can pretty easily maintain the relationship, but it is harder to get them started... I am generally speaking of course.


This however is bullshit.

not all women look for the "nice" guy when they first meet. A lot of men are nice guys. you need to be different than most if you want to attract the girl YOU want to be with. Thinking being a nice guy is good enough is a recipe for disaster. Elocism is right that pea cocking will attract the beautiful women you want to bang, but if you have the alpha male/peacock attitude + you're a man with depth, intelligence with a great personality, you will get much further than the socially awkward nice guy that has trouble being confident.


I generally treat women as I would any other interesting person, if they are interesting. I feel no need to play games or be insincere about who I am, nor do I feel the need to lie or be dickish.. My charm and personality is always more then enough, I also don't do one night stands. I feel that if I'm just natural with them and relaxed they will be the same, and it works.

I also almost exclusively date girls who are in academia or have a background in it, I do no have sex with girls whom I do not like as a person same way I don't date just for sex.

 

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Snarf_Igraine posted:
tenkly posted:
Snarf_Igraine posted:
I always found the reverse to be true. If you are a "nice" guy that a girl would want to take home to meet the parents you can pretty easily maintain the relationship, but it is harder to get them started... I am generally speaking of course.


This however is bullshit.

not all women look for the "nice" guy when they first meet. A lot of men are nice guys. you need to be different than most if you want to attract the girl YOU want to be with. Thinking being a nice guy is good enough is a recipe for disaster. Elocism is right that pea cocking will attract the beautiful women you want to bang, but if you have the alpha male/peacock attitude + you're a man with depth, intelligence with a great personality, you will get much further than the socially awkward nice guy that has trouble being confident.


You prove my point. Being the nice guy doesn't work to get them, duh. Being the nice guy KEEEPS them. Which is why it was harder for me to get them and not keep them.


Yeah i thought you meant when they would first meet someone who seems "nice". I just misinterpreted what you meant..

 

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When I was younger I was bigger on brands. The only people who cared were people I didn't like.

 

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To get my wife I was sauve, cool and debonair, then I stole her parking space. The first time she ever spoke to me she swore at me, that was 27 years ago, I must have done something right.

 

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I don't care for designer brands at all, I want value. I have very nice things, but they have to be great at filling their role and at a price I find fair. I have never and will probably never buy an apple product for this very reason.

 

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Its different these days... Women put out on date 3 as a rule. Most will do it on date one. You just have to be fun.

Keeping their attention over other guys is the hard part - not because the other guy is better, just because he is different.

Women settle down when they are ready - they find a guy and latch onto him.

It doesnt matter hiw nice you are , when she is ready to settle down then she will latch on to you.

 

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You know what works best for attracting a mate? - being yourself. Live your life, be comfortable with who you are.  The rest will fall into place.

 

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I have no input on this subject.

I dress in clothes from thrift stores most of the time and drive around in a Honda Civic or a KIA Optima most of the time.

But I do like to pick a date up in a Porsche after I get a woman to go out with me. It surprises them, and exceeding expectations in some area on the first date is vital. Yeah, maybe they will be amazed at my humor and affable nature....but maybe they wont. Gotta use everything you have if you want to get to where you want to go.

I'm not above using "status symbols" to impress. Hell, I'm not above just about anything. tongue

 

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Is a watch a status symbol? I've always thought a man should own a nice watch. I currently wear a seiko but if I could afford it I'd have no problem springing $5k on a watch. Like a Seamaster or something

 

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What's a status symbol to you, Yuki? Is it based solely on how much you pay for something? Is it anything up-market? I'm with Manglow on this one; if you're wearing a 3,500$ hand-tailored suit you don't have to make comments about it.

 

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Peacocking yourself out will get you laid not get you a mate

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Attracting a mate is all about projecting confidence and interest.


This is mostly true.

 

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There is no getting away from establishing a perceived status through the clothes we wear and the car we drive.

My favorite example of this are the kids at Brown University who would drive older bmws and have very expensive designer hippy clothes.

silly

Nothing like spending a lot to make it look like you don't have a lot.

 

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What's a status symbol to you, Yuki?


Anything bought primarily to impress others. Which is why most people won't admit what they are buying are status symbols.

Luxury cars are a classic example. People who own luxury cars will fight against admitting it until the end of their days, but the reason people buy luxury cars is to project an image, not because of the car itself.

Fancy watches are another example.

Or designer handbags.

I'm sure there's someone somewhere who buys a BMW and would buy it even if it said "honda" instead but those people are one in a thousand. Although if you asked BMW owners I'm sure 900 out of the 1000 would insist impressing others has nothing to do with why they bought it and it was just the "superior ride." laugh

 

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A BMW is a nice car and is actually not a good status symbol as status symbols go because the real benefit is performance which many people can't or won't take advantage of and it has a high cost of ownership. A Mercedes is a nice car that any owner could appreciate and it doesn't have the same cost issue of BMW.

 

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A very small % of BMW owners would buy BMWs if BMWs looked like hondas and were sold as hondas and the only difference was under the hood. grin

P.S. The cost of a status symbol is a large part of its efficacy. More expensive status symbols are more effective because they are more expensive. When it comes down to it a status symbol is really nothing but an advertisement to the world that you have enough money you can spend money on things beside necessities.

 

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A very small % of BMW owners would buy BMWs if BMWs looked like hondas and were sold as hondas and the only difference was under the hood. grin

P.S. The cost of a status symbol is a large part of its efficacy. More expensive status symbols are more effective because they are more expensive. When it comes down to it a status symbol is really nothing but an advertisement to the world that you have enough money you can spend money on things beside necessities.



That is why Mercedes > BMW because in terms of status the only thing people care about is the initial cost.

Unless we are talking horses or something.

 

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I think it's funny how for some people, eschewing status symbols is their own status symbol, and how they will almost never admit it.

 

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That is why Mercedes > BMW because in terms of status the only thing people care about is the initial cost.


Yeah ok. But a BMW is still a definite status symbol. I think it also probably varies on area of the country. Here in the bay area mercedes screams old person. So it would not be a very good status symbol for someone who isn't old. Around here the rich status obsessed people all drive BMWs, although some of them now have priuses too.

 

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I think it's funny how for some people, eschewing status symbols is their own status symbol, and how they will almost never admit it.


That doesn't make much sense. A status symbol works because people notice it. Nobody notices someone's lack of status symbols and thinks that shows they have a high status.

I mean there is a definite flame there to be made that you seem to be looking for but that wasn't it.

 

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I think it's funny how for some people, eschewing status symbols is their own status symbol, and how they will almost never admit it.


That doesn't make much sense. A status symbol works because people notice it. Nobody notices someone's lack of status symbols and thinks that shows they have a high status.

I mean there is a definite flame there to be made that you seem to be looking for but that wasn't it.


When people point out something in order to make people notice it, they are seeking acknowledgement and a requisite increase of their status in others' eyes. It's no different.


The point is that everyone has some status symbol(s). For some, it's their avoidance of "traditional" status symbols and their need to point it out that is their status symbol.

 

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I think it's funny how for some people, eschewing status symbols is their own status symbol, and how they will almost never admit it.


I already mentioned Brown

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You still arn't grasping what a status symbol is. Unless it's something other people notice and think you have a higher status as a result it's not a status symbol.

A status symbol isn't determined by what you personally think. I can think my wal-mart pen is a status symbol but that doesn't make it true.

There are certain places where a lack of material possessions could be a status symbol. In ascetic communities hair shirts were probably a status symbol of sorts. Apparently at brown driving an old bmw is a better status symbol than a new one according to SoO? But status is determined by society, not by each individual.

 

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That seems to really be a stretch of the commonly accepted phrase 'status symbol'. The way you are talking about just about every type of action becomes a status symbol....and the phrase really loses its meaning.

 

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What do you think status symbol means?

 

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A status symbol is a symbol of your status. There is no doubt that there are status symbols that signify wealth but there are also those that are specifically meant to signify a detachment from wealth and the idea that money matters. There are symbols everywhere, even symbols that are meant to demonstrate your belief you don't like status symbols.

 

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You still arn't grasping what a status symbol is. Unless it's something other people notice and think you have a higher status as a result it's not a status symbol.

A status symbol isn't determined by what you personally think. I can think my wal-mart pen is a status symbol but that doesn't make it true.


Your walmart pen could be a status symbol if you were some sort of campaigner for OWS - i.e. you're using a very proletariat writing tool as your sword against the designer pens of the 1%ers...

The point is that if you're doing something because you believe it will make other see you more favorably, what you're doing or buying is a status symbol.

Further, and by your own logic, if you are unimpressed by a BMW, is a BMW really a status symbol?

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That seems to really be a stretch of the commonly accepted phrase 'status symbol'. The way you are talking about just about every type of action becomes a status symbol....and the phrase really loses its meaning.


Well your, and many peoples' definitions of status symbols are far too parochial and subjective imo. Status is relative. Symbols of status are also relative. Is a BMW a status symbol in Hollywood? Probably not. Is a Che t-shirt a status symbol? During an OWS rally it might have been lol.






I think that subjectively defining status symbols as anything YOU say is "over the top" is at LEAST as pretentious as those you accuse of being for having their "status symbols".

 

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Yeah but whether its a status symbol or not depends not on what you personally think but how the people viewing you think about it. That is what status is. If you're the only one who thinks it's a status symbol it isn't. grin

 

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What about the people who buy a BMW because it really is a good car - maybe they buy a couple year old used one that came off a lease deal, and for them, the purchase has nothing at all to do with status but instead to do with value in the purchase, safety, performance, and confidence in the vehicle's longevity?

The point is it's all subjective... and the further point is that everyone has status symbols.

 

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Your walmart pen could be a status symbol if you were some sort of campaigner for OWS - i.e. you're using a very proletariat writing tool as your sword against the designer pens of the 1%ers...


Only if other people agreed with you. grin

A status symbol is something society (or some subsegment of society) recognizes as a sign of higher status. It could be a hair shirt if your society thinks self-flagellation is good and material possessions are bad. In our society as a whole a fancy watch or a BMW fits the bill. Maybe at brown its an old bmw instead of a new one.

 

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Yeah but whether its a status symbol or not depends not on what you personally think but how the people viewing you think about it. That is what status is. If you're the only one who thinks it's a status symbol it isn't. grin


It is still a symbol of status, just not a popular one. Not all symbols are as well known as others and some are meant to be secret!

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What about the people who buy a BMW because it really is a good car - maybe they buy a couple year old used one that came off a lease deal, and for them, the purchase has nothing at all to do with status but instead to do with value in the purchase, safety, performance, and confidence in the vehicle's longevity?


There are probably a few of those people. The test is whether they would buy the same car if it looked like a honda and was called a honda and was only different under the hood. As I said, few people would buy BMWs in that case. I'm sure they exist but they're a tiny minority.

 

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Yeah but whether its a status symbol or not depends not on what you personally think but how the people viewing you think about it. That is what status is. If you're the only one who thinks it's a status symbol it isn't. grin


It is still a symbol of status, just not a popular one.


The whole idea of status is based on the opinion of people around you. I don't see how you can call something a status symbol if no one else recognizes it to connote status. You might want a status symbol that only certain people recognize but if no one recognizes it it seems like you failed.

 

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What about the people who buy a BMW because it really is a good car - maybe they buy a couple year old used one that came off a lease deal, and for them, the purchase has nothing at all to do with status but instead to do with value in the purchase, safety, performance, and confidence in the vehicle's longevity?


There are probably a few of those people. The test is whether they would buy the same car if it looked like a honda and was called a honda and was only different under the hood. As I said, few people would buy BMWs in that case. I'm sure they exist but they're a tiny minority.


I think you are either too hung up on peoples' motivations for things that have no effect on you, or that for you, in this environment, it's some sort of status symbol to proclaim yourself above "status symbols"...

 

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The whole idea of status is based on the opinion of people around you. I don't see how you can call something a status symbol if no one else recognizes it to connote status. You might want a status symbol that only certain people recognize but if no one recognizes it it seems like you failed.


So it is a failed status symbol.

 

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Yeah but whether its a status symbol or not depends not on what you personally think but how the people viewing you think about it. That is what status is. If you're the only one who thinks it's a status symbol it isn't. grin


It is still a symbol of status, just not a popular one.


The whole idea of status is based on the opinion of people around you. I don't see how you can call something a status symbol if no one else recognizes it to connote status. You might want a status symbol that only certain people recognize but if no one recognizes it it seems like you failed.


There are MANY examples of people wearing "status symbols" even though many people around them do not recognize them as such. In those cases, often the status they are seeking is acknowledgement of their being "true" to their heritage or their former surroundings where their "status symbols" were meaningful...

I think you need to think about the sociology of groups and populations a little bit more and think about how "informal" or "social" status is obtained.

 

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Noticing things doesn't make you hung up. It's just noticing things. It is interesting how our society sorta puts people in this double bind where it expects people to buy status symbols but also expects them to deny the reason they buy a status symbol is for the status.

 

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i think that IRL, being anti status symbol is not a status symbol, just because no one knows any different. they just assume you are poor

however, being all anti status symbol here in this thread is very much a status symbol

 

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The whole idea of status is based on the opinion of people around you. I don't see how you can call something a status symbol if no one else recognizes it to connote status. You might want a status symbol that only certain people recognize but if no one recognizes it it seems like you failed.


So it is a failed status symbol.


That seems like a distinction without a difference. If I want to be an engineer and fail because no one will hire me does that make me a failed engineer rather than not an engineer?

 

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Noticing things doesn't make you hung up. It's just noticing things. It is interesting how our society sorta puts people in this double bind where it expects people to buy status symbols but also expects them to deny the reason they buy a status symbol is for the status.




I notice a lot of things. I don't come here and make a thread about it every time I notice something.

 

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i think that IRL, being anti status symbol is not a status symbol, just because no one knows any different. they just assume you are poor

however, being all anti status symbol here in this thread is very much a status symbol


Actually it is literally an example of wearing or using the status symbols of a group. One can wear the status symbol of the rich without being rich. They are still status symbols.

The faulty assumption here is that the only status symbol being considered is that of the rich. There are numerous statuses to consider all with their own symbols.

 

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i think that IRL, being anti status symbol is not a status symbol, just because no one knows any different. they just assume you are poor

however, being all anti status symbol here in this thread is very much a status symbol


Actually it is literally an example of wearing or using the status symbols of a group. One can wear the status symbol of the rich without being rich. They are still status symbols.

The faulty assumption here is that the only status symbol being considered is that of the rich. There are numerous statuses to consider all with their own symbols.



This.

I am reminded of admonitions of the falsely humble for their ostentatious displays of their humility such as you might hear of occurring in a religious organization/monastery or the like.

 

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I notice a lot of things. I don't come here and make a thread about it every time I notice something.


THEN YOU ARE DOING THE OUTPOST WRONG, FATTY! angry

 

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I notice a lot of things. I don't come here and make a thread about it every time I notice something.


THEN YOU ARE DOING THE OUTPOST WRONG, FATTY! angry


Alright man... where do you buy your hair shirts anyway?

 

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I only patronize the finest hair shirt establishments. Some posers use cashmere shirts to try to LOOK like they're wearing a hair shirt but not deal with the pain. My hair shirts are all 100% American porcupine ass bristles.

 

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I only patronize the finest hair shirt establishments. Some posers use cashmere shirts to try to LOOK like they're wearing a hair shirt but not deal with the pain. My hair shirts are all 100% American porcupine ass bristles.


Well played!

 

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Are you a hipster Yuki?

 

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Are you a hipster Yuki?


No but I am surrounded by them. I am practically the only person I know anymore who doesn't have a smart phone.

 

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Are you a hipster Yuki?


No, he's just a young, recent law school grad.


FWIW, I'm with you on the smart phone deal Yuki. I am one of the few people I know without one too.

 

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Are you a hipster Yuki?


No but I am surrounded by them. I am practically the only person I know anymore who doesn't have a smart phone.


I only ask because the Bay area is pretty much where it started and being in Sac I see them all the time.

 

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Are you a hipster Yuki?


No, he's just a young, recent law school grad.


FWIW, I'm with you on the smart phone deal Yuki. I am one of the few people I know without one too.


Just the other day someone at work offered me their old smartphone since they had upgarded. I was like "that's a nice offer thank you, but wouldn't I have to pay $30 more per month for a data plan?" and he was like "yeah, but you can use it to check your email on bart!" and I was like "why would I want to do that?" and he was like "well what if you get lost while driving?" and I was like "I don't get lost while driving and if I did I'd just look at a map" and he was like "well fine then!" and acted all pissy the rest of the day. laugh

 

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smartphones are a must

you have no idea how awesome they are until you have one

 

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you said the same thing about that $150 collector's edition of SWTOR and the special item shop...

 

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I play super nintendo on my smartphone.

 

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Are you a hipster Yuki?


No, he's just a young, recent law school grad.


FWIW, I'm with you on the smart phone deal Yuki. I am one of the few people I know without one too.


Just the other day someone at work offered me their old smartphone since they had upgarded. I was like "that's a nice offer thank you, but wouldn't I have to pay $30 more per month for a data plan?" and he was like "yeah, but you can use it to check your email on bart!" and I was like "why would I want to do that?" and he was like "well what if you get lost while driving?" and I was like "I don't get lost while driving and if I did I'd just look at a map" and he was like "well fine then!" and acted all pissy the rest of the day. laugh


ROFL I hate to admit it, but I've had almost the identical conversation with about a dozen folks I know.

 

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People like nice things. That doesn't mean they're trying to show off or impress others, though I suppose it's sometimes hard to tell the difference - there's certainly no shortage of people that like to show off. There are brands that are fashionable, and then there are brands that are known for quality. Sometimes these things overlap.

I think the BMW is a bad example. If given the choice between a BMW or a Honda, most people would pick the BMW... some for status, most because it's simply a nicer car inside and out. If no one had ever heard the names BWM or Honda, chances are they'd pick the BWM after looking at it, sitting in it, and driving it. Quality (and looks) matters. Of course when you're choosing and buying for yourself, you judge that in accordance to what you can comfortably afford and what's important to you. If you have millons, a few extra grand for a car is no big deal even if the increase in quality is minimal. People want the best for themselves, or at least the best they can afford... even if nobody sees it.

Certain clothes are probably a better example... because the quality of the clothes doesn't always translate well to what they cost. I've seen designer crap that looks like it would fall apart after one wash and is neither attractive nor functional. People pay a lot of money for a shirt just because it has a little animal embroidered on it when they could probably find an equal or better quality shirt for significantly less. However paying extra for fine materials and construction isn't necessarily about status, it's about personal comfort and better living.

 

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Subject: It's funny how people who are obsessed with status symbols will almost never admit it
Yukishiro1 posted:
Cawlin posted:
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Are you a hipster Yuki?


No, he's just a young, recent law school grad.


FWIW, I'm with you on the smart phone deal Yuki. I am one of the few people I know without one too.


Just the other day someone at work offered me their old smartphone since they had upgarded. I was like "that's a nice offer thank you, but wouldn't I have to pay $30 more per month for a data plan?" and he was like "yeah, but you can use it to check your email on bart!" and I was like "why would I want to do that?" and he was like "well what if you get lost while driving?" and I was like "I don't get lost while driving and if I did I'd just look at a map" and he was like "well fine then!" and acted all pissy the rest of the day. laugh



I am guessing then you don't have a job that requires you to be in touch with clients pretty much 24/7?

 

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Nope. Thank god.

 

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Subject: It's funny how people who are obsessed with status symbols will almost never admit it
What kind of law are you planning to practice then?

 

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Subject: It's funny how people who are obsessed with status symbols will almost never admit it
I work for the gubmint. No one expects you to check your email 24/7 even while on public transit. I don't even usually check my work email on the weekend.

 

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Subject: It's funny how people who are obsessed with status symbols will almost never admit it
The reality is that money in our society is a big deal. Driving an expensive car or dressing like you have money gives people the impression youre a big deal.

Its because money is a big deal in this society.

If someone kills ypur children, you can sue them for monetary restituion... Clearly money is a big deal - its used to reward and punish people.

Edit: A bmw is not that expensive... 2 bmws side by side, one can cost 30k and another can cost 100k- they will look the same to most people (ex x3 vs x5M)... So the x5M owner who paid a 100k is not showing off to anybody but the people that can recognize them (assuming the owner is showing off).

 

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The reality is this person is more successful at life than all of you

grin

 

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