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The Apple event is on-going. They have to go through the boring self back patting for a while first.


Apple TV
They announced a new Apple TV (the small box, not an actual TV).

* Supports 1080p now
* New UI
* Movie purchased stored in cloud now
* $99, available next week


The new iPad

* Retina display 2048x1536
* A5X processor with quad core graphics (CPU is dual core I believe)
* Four times faster than Tegra 3 (believe referring to graphics processing)
* Same 5MP camera as iPhone 4S
* AT&T, Verizon, Rogers, Bell, and Telus LTE, HSPA+, and 3G
* 10 hours battery life, 9 hours with 4G
* 9.4mm thick, 1.4 pounds
* $499 for 16GB wifi model, $629 for 4G model
* Available March 16th (if you are lucky)
* iPad 2 price cut by $100.

 

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Love that display...

 

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lots of cool games for it coming out.

 

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A serious upgrade over my First Gen iPad, this is a must-have for me.

http://gizmodo.com/5891158/new-ipad-hd-the-third-generation

http://gizmodo.com/5891159/inside-apples-a5x-chipset-dual+core-cpu-quad+core-graphics

Compiled by the attendees.

 

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It feels like they spent 5 minutes talking about their $500 tablet and 30 minutes talking about their $5 iPhoto app.

 

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And STILL no confirmed name for the new iPad angry

This positions the new iPad as the defacto standard to beat. Android and Windows tablets have some catching up to do!

 

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Official name... iPad 3020XRZ-QUANTUM!

 

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iPad 2 sticking around at $100 cheaper price, smart.

 

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Apparently it has no name. They just announced it as "The new iPad". Hmm... so what the hell do we call this thing next year when another "new iPad" is released? tongue

 

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Okay, open your damn Apple store, let me pre-order and go to lunch now.

 

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Apparently it has no name. They just announced it as "The new iPad". Hmm... so what the hell do we call this thing next year when another "new iPad" is released? tongue


The new, new iPad?

 

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well looks like I will probably get this for my fiance, anyone know if amazon will let you preorder ?

 

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It is official, it is called the iPad thinking

http://www.apple.com/ipad/

 

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Okay, open your damn Apple store, let me pre-order and go to lunch now.


This is where I am at as well.

 

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Guess the store is open now, because all I'm getting a is blank loading screen.

 

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well looks like I will probably get this for my fiance, anyone know if amazon will let you preorder ?


Maybe... not sure how high Amazon is going to be on Apple's priority list though considering they are competitors now. happy

 

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I'll need some hard, independent testing to show that this is FOUR times faster than the Tegra 3, and if I had to wager, I would think that is cherry picking the best and worst test cases comapring each, not an across the board thing.

 

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I would agree, but then again I expect that sort of marketing from everyone.

 

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I'll need some hard, independent testing to show that this is FOUR times faster than the Tegra 3, and if I had to wager, I would think that is cherry picking the best and worst test cases comapring each, not an across the board thing.


If they are talking about graphics performance (and I am pretty sure they are), I think it's very likely true. Nvidia has really been sucking at graphics performance in their Tegra processors.

In this Anandtech review of the Transformer Prime with a Tegra 3 vs the iPad 2, the iPad 2's GPU just stomps all over the newer Tegra 3.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5163/asus-eee-pad-transformer-prime-nvidia-tegra-3-review/3

So it's very plausible that in OpenGL, the iPad 3 may be up to 4 times faster than the Tegra 3. Though in more realistic conditions it may be merely 2 or 3 times faster.

Sadly for Android, we probably have to wait until after summer before we see the next gen graphics cores come out that might challenge this.

 

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Apparently this "pre order then go to lunch" was the mother of bad ideas. Going to go to lunch and then try pre-ordering, I'll have more energy to spam F5 on a full stomach.

 

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Was finally able to pre-order, just waiting for email confirmation now.

Update: Confirmed, will be here next Friday (got free engraved name on back as well, sweet).

 

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Hmmm so a better display and camera? Not sure if I can justify the upgrade without something else...

 

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and better processor/graphics card

 

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For me I am upgrading from a First Gen iPad so it is a no-brainer. I bought my wife an iPad 2 when they were released but don't plan to upgrade hers until the next model.

 

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got my email, I went witht he 16 gig verizon version. We already have a att account, but I just couldn't buy another att product.

 

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I hear that, I went with the 64GB Verizon 4G model.

 

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I bought a 16GB black wifi iPad today. I didn't plan on buying an iPad today, but decided to just do it. While I'm impressed with the iPad, it is really more my disappointment with Android hardware manufactures than anything.

 

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Ravynmagi posted:
Ookane posted:
I'll need some hard, independent testing to show that this is FOUR times faster than the Tegra 3, and if I had to wager, I would think that is cherry picking the best and worst test cases comapring each, not an across the board thing.


If they are talking about graphics performance (and I am pretty sure they are), I think it's very likely true. Nvidia has really been sucking at graphics performance in their Tegra processors.

In this Anandtech review of the Transformer Prime with a Tegra 3 vs the iPad 2, the iPad 2's GPU just stomps all over the newer Tegra 3.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5163/asus-eee-pad-transformer-prime-nvidia-tegra-3-review/3

So it's very plausible that in OpenGL, the iPad 3 may be up to 4 times faster than the Tegra 3. Though in more realistic conditions it may be merely 2 or 3 times faster.

Sadly for Android, we probably have to wait until after summer before we see the next gen graphics cores come out that might challenge this.


1 test was close to twice as fast, another was only about 25% faster, and the rest were pretty much neck and neck. Got to love hand picking what results you want to show happy

 

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1 test was close to twice as fast, another was only about 25% faster, and the rest were pretty much neck and neck. Got to love hand picking what results you want to show happy


Marketing people are definitely going to handpick. But still last year's iPad 2's GPU easily beats this year's Tegra 3 in every test. There is no question the PowerVR SGX543MP4 is going to absolutely demolish and mop the floor with the Tegra 3 in GPU performance. And of course the iPad will need that power to game on such a high resolution display.

Tegra 3's GPU is sufficient for 1280x800 displays. Gets a bit more questionable on tablets with 1920x1200 displays if you are gaming.

But for the most part Android tablets, while improving the CPU performance have severely neglected the GPU performance. While Apple has made that a priority because so much of it's UI has been GPU accelerated for a long time and Google is slowly been moving there.

All the ARM manufactures are releasing 32nm SoCs this year. Qualcomm's first S4 unfortunately still uses an old GPU, but will be refreshed after the second half of the year with a much improved GPU. Samsung's Exynos 5 series I believe will have a GPU right away and might arrive before Summer time. The TI OMAP 5 is going to feature the same GPU Apple used last year. I'm doubtful any of these GPUs will catch up to what Apple is using this year.

 

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I will be buying one.

 

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Ookane posted:
1 test was close to twice as fast, another was only about 25% faster, and the rest were pretty much neck and neck. Got to love hand picking what results you want to show happy


Marketing people are definitely going to handpick. But still last year's iPad 2's GPU easily beats this year's Tegra 3 in every test. There is no question the PowerVR SGX543MP4 is going to absolutely demolish and mop the floor with the Tegra 3 in GPU performance. And of course the iPad will need that power to game on such a high resolution display.

Tegra 3's GPU is sufficient for 1280x800 displays. Gets a bit more questionable on tablets with 1920x1200 displays if you are gaming.

But for the most part Android tablets, while improving the CPU performance have severely neglected the GPU performance. While Apple has made that a priority because so much of it's UI has been GPU accelerated for a long time and Google is slowly been moving there.

All the ARM manufactures are releasing 32nm SoCs this year. Qualcomm's first S4 unfortunately still uses an old GPU, but will be refreshed after the second half of the year with a much improved GPU. Samsung's Exynos 5 series I believe will have a GPU right away and might arrive before Summer time. The TI OMAP 5 is going to feature the same GPU Apple used last year. I'm doubtful any of these GPUs will catch up to what Apple is using this year.


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iPad 3 reportedly has 1GB of memory. While Apple didn't tell us, a guy from Epic did mention it has more memory than the PS3 and Xbox 360, which use 512MB. And The Verge has a source that tells them it is indeed 1GB.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-57393169-17/new-ipad-comes-with-1gb-of-ram-report-says/

 

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Pre-ordered one yesterday from the Apple Store Canada.

$680 or so with tax. 32gb version.

 

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Got the "Your order has shipped" e-mail last night, fun times.

 

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Mine has been preparing for shipping since yesterday evening. So I guess that means it'll probably ship today.

 

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I wonder how many times a day some people are pressing F5 on their FedEx or UPS tracking number page? whistling

 

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lol, pretty evident that they are sitting in KY waiting for a pre-determined release date. I imagine a lot are hoping for an accidental early release though.

 

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Mine is sitting in Ontario, CA. Which I'm presuming is California and hopefully not Canada.

I keep checking every day hoping maybe my iPad will escape and come home to papa early. happy

 

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Nashville, TN for mine.

 

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Somebody open a magazine/comic book/newspaper page(s) and post how good/bad it is, please. happy
As in - does it feel comfortable for a few hours of reading? Are the letters nice and sharp? Any eye strain to read? Is zooming necessary to read the text and anything else you can think of.

 

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I still think no matter the resolution on a tablet, eink will be better on the eyes for reading. Especially if you sit in front of a computer at work all day already.

 

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Oh I agree. I have a Kindle for books, but I am thinking of getting electronic magazine subscriptions and I have some electronic comic books I would like to read. Tried doing it on PC monitor, but it pretty much sucks.

A tablet would be nice, but only if it can show a full page while keeping the text large/clear enough to be easy to read.
Originally I was thinking I might have to wait until somebody releases a 13" tablet, but with this resolution the iPad might be able to keep the letters clear clear enough even if the screen size is not quite same as a printed magazine page.

 

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I still think no matter the resolution on a tablet, eink will be better on the eyes for reading. Especially if you sit in front of a computer at work all day already.


Unless you are in a dark room. tongue

 

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haha yes, unless you're in a dark room.

 

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People are making me regret my 16GB decision. I should have went 32GB.

http://www.macworld.com.au/blogs/retina-display-ready-apps-and-the-coming-ipad-storage-crunch-46811/

 

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Frankly, they should not have even bothered with a 16GB version (in this day and age, that simply isn't anywhere enough) and took the opportunity to move to a 32/64/128 GB standard.

 

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Got my ipad at 9 am. this morning, then promptly refreshed 116 virtual pc's on accident, so I have not got to play with it much.

 

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Just got my iPad. I'm busy reading all 42 pages of the iTunes user agreement.... haha.. just kidding of course I blindly agreed to it.

Trying to install the Kindle app, it's been optimized for Retina already. So curious to see how reading with this screen looks.

Apparently the App Store is a bit busy. Taking forever just to install the Kindle app.

 

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Frankly, they should not have even bothered with a 16GB version (in this day and age, that simply isn't anywhere enough) and took the opportunity to move to a 32/64/128 GB standard.

With everything being in the cloud these days, I hardly use the 16GB.

 

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I was thinking about camping out at a Walmart at midnight and trying to get a 32GB model, then returning my 16GB model to the Apple store. However I decided I didn't want to get stabbed in a Walmart parking lot at midnight...

Actually I just couldn't mentally justify spending an extra $100 for 16GB more flash storage. That's is way overpriced. I'll just save that for the Android tablet I'm probably buying a bit later anyway.

The retina display on this iPad is pretty sweet. Was really curious if it'd really be worth it and I think it is. So far it really shines with surfing the web. I often like to hold my tablet in portrait mode while surfing, it's easier to hold in one hand that while while I scroll or tap links. But in portrait text is smaller and harder to read, so I'd have to zoom in to read. With retina though, everything is so clear, even the tiny text on pages, I can still read very well. Don't really have a need to zoom pages anymore.

I'm comparing my HP Touchpad with CM7 on it, which is a 9.7 1024x768 132 DPI, which isn't that much less DPI than Android 10.1 1280x800 149 DPI. The iPad 3rd Gen is 9.7 2048x1536 264 DPI. And it's just crazy how much cleaner and easier to read web pages are when looking at it on the 132 DPI display, then on the 264 DPI display. Such a huge difference.

In most apps, it's less noticeable, since app fonts are usually already optimized well enough, so it's mostly noticeable when you put the tablet close enough to your face to see pixels.

The Android tablets with 10.1 inch 1920x1200 display have 224 DPI, which is also pretty good. So really looking forward to that a lot more now than before.

 

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Subject: The Apple Announcement
Anandtech analyzes the retina display on the iPad 3. Brightness and contrast are about the same as the iPad 2 and middle of the road compared to other tablets. Color gamut is a big improvement over the previous iPad.

But thing I love about the retina display the most is the example at the bottom of the first page. The show a side by side of how web browser text looks on the iPad 2, Transformer Prime, and the new iPad. It's such a dramatic difference. Reading web pages has gotten so much nicer because now it's rather easy to read even small font text on pages without needing to zoom in.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5689/the-new-ipad-retina-display-analysis

 

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