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I mean I guess the answer is probably "because WOW doesn't have housing." But I have wondered about this.
I guess it takes a fair amount of resources to handle. But it seems like the MMOs that did have housing got a lot of player time out of it for a fairly small resource investment. As content goes it seems like a good investment. I never did, but I know people who probably spent dozens of hours decorating their houses. It lets players feel like their character is unique in some way and by letting them have some control over the environment you can create content with a lot of "replay" value.
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i have my own ship in TOR
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And it's exactly the same as everyone else's ship and has a big fat zero customizable options that actually are viewable anywhere. You can't even sit in most of the seats!
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I miss houses in UO 
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http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/House
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Yukishiro1 posted:
Why do new MMOs not have housing?
Housing (whether or not to have it/include it in your game) is a huge decision with many far reaching impacts.
A lot of it comes down to implementation... Is the housing area part of the active game word, or is it some random zone that's not part of the active game world (UO vs DAoC). Do you just have cookie cutter houses, or do you allow players to build their own and customize. Plots or free placement. Decorating - do you have a set of things a player can purchase, or do you allow players to craft their own decorations. Interacting with your home, do you allow complete customizations of items on tables, floors, blah blah blah.
All in all it's time consuming and resource intensive to include player housing...
Most of the time the decision is to focus on the game, the game world, balancing etc...
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I miss houses in UO
this also.
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Even more of the reason why DAOC was awesome
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Housing in games always seemed stupid.
Except for Sim City. In that game it kinda makes sense.
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Even more of the reason why DAOC was awesome
Housing in DAoC was awful, god god god awful...
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Your spaceship is your home in SWTOR
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Your spaceship is your home in SWTOR
And there is no customization at all. It sorta proves me point. Spaceships in SWTOR are a huge wasted opportunity. Especially in a game which gives you so precious few ways to actually customize your character in meaningful ways.
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it just released...
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EQ2 had housing at release. I think UO did too but I don't remember honestly.
And they spent 5 years making SWTOR. Obviously 4.5 years of that went into making the single player leveling experience.
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I had a pet beaver in my house in Gemstone. I wonder if someone fed it after I stopped playing? 
Poor little Bucky, I should have lived in a wooden cabin instead of that stone tower.
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Lyken-P posted:
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/House
So I didn't find this to be the typical "housing" one finds in MMOs. However, when I watched this video that describes the home instance in GW2 a bit better, I was still kind of intrigued, nevertheless, with what they are doing here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwRsMLj3AgI
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Yukishiro1 posted:
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Your spaceship is your home in SWTOR
And there is no customization at all. It sorta proves me point. Spaceships in SWTOR are a huge wasted opportunity. Especially in a game which gives you so precious few ways to actually customize your character in meaningful ways.
Spaceships in SWTOR are an unfinished feature.
They are only 2 months out from release.
Comparatively, WOW was still trying to figure out how to deal with keeping servers up and get queue times under hours in the quarter following their initial offering.
Ps - Wow also spent `4 years in development.
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Lyken-P posted:
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I miss houses in UO
this also.
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ROM had an awesome housing system.
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Housing is lame, all you need is good storage..
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Well all the ugly fat nerds on percival liked to used housing for a place to go cyber
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Housing is lame, all you need is good storage..
I would agree that all instanced housing zones are lame, because in the end they are glorified vaults.
Housing that is in the world ala UO is a different story. They become more then just storage dumps.
In the end though, we are comparing a sandbox style game to today's more linear games.
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Housing is a fairly complex development task that in the end only goes to satisfy 20% of the players for more than an hour or two (the storage issue can be addressed by upgradeable bank slots rather than housing). Most MMO developers are working so furiously on moving back the goal posts as fast as they can that they don't have the people to spare for a massive project like housing.
And yes, WoW showed that housing is not necessary for a successful MMO, so why even bother?
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"Why do new MMOs not have housing?"
Because the developers were afraid they'd be inundated by Chinese immigrants who would demand the name be changed to 'Vancouver'?
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Horizons was the most elaborate housing system I played in, with players building entire towns piece by piece, every building standing on its own, both viewable and able to be entered, occupied, and customized.
EQ2 was prolly the smartest I have seen, with a gazillion instances of a few different models. But players were still able to inhabit and decorate them, including having other people visit them. Seemed a smart way to save resources from a development standpoint.
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MMO's going further away from player customization, housing, keeps, and an ability for players to shape the environment is what finally clinched my decision to leave MMO's.
I'm not interested in a big FPS where "MMO" means quest ladders and lots of casual hack players running around.
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DAoC housing was both awesome and horrific.
Among other things, it totally killed the pre-existing crafting communities, which was a bummer as I made a fair amount of 'friends' chatting while crafting and had plenty of sales as shoppers moved through the crafting town. On the other hand, housing allowed very efficient production and stocking of crafted items on house vendors. I would never have run the siege equipment shop I had going for NF if I were limited to the crafting town setup. And I sold a ridonkulous amount of siege engines for months. My armor sales didn't do too badly either. But the sense of community totally suffered.
I've played LotRO for a few years now, never been in the housing areas beyond the starter quest run and don't really miss it from the game experience.
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SWG had the best housing I've seen. You would wander out into the tatooine desert and stumble upon whole massive cities in the desert, complete with elected mayors, public buildings, guild halls, whatever else you can think of.
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That sounds similar to Horizons Yuki. Did you ever play that one?
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I never played Horizons. Could tell that one was a trainwreck from the outside.
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Yeah it really was. Fantastic concepts, but horrible implementation. It went free to play for a long time and eventually became renamed, repackaged, and profitable.
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SWG had the best housing I've seen. You would wander out into the tatooine desert and stumble upon whole massive cities in the desert, complete with elected mayors, public buildings, guild halls, whatever else you can think of.
I was about to mention SWG as having a really good housing system. It was also helpful that houses were crafted instead of purchased, though it did mean that the uberguilds were powerleveling their crafters early in the game to make their halls for them.
The whole thing collapsed on itself when the player base went away, though. I think I finally had to disable guild invites entirely because you couldn't set foot into a player-made city without getting spammed with them, complete with promises of credits and your own house for free!
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un-raidable housing is boring.
you shouldn't get any kind of huge benefits w/o some comparable risk.
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They just dont figure it adds much to the game. In most cases it doesnt. The only housing that needs to be added to any game is guild housing for guild meetings and it should be instanced
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I miss houses in UO
I miss camping falling houses in UO.
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They just dont figure it adds much to the game. In most cases it doesnt. The only housing that needs to be added to any game is guild housing for guild meetings and it should be instanced
it's good for the player experience to feel at home somewhere in a shared community.
it should be the sense of defending you home and your home tribe(s) that drive the game.
simply put, primal instinct coded into a Skinner Box = WIN.
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Player housing is another time sink, it is amazing what people will enjoy in an MMORPG. I remember banksitters in UO they would outfit themselves in some of the best, most rare, nicest looking gear with the nicest mounts and just sit in front of the main bank so people could look at them.
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I miss houses in UO
I miss murdering people at their doors and changing their locks behind me.
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I liked casting earthquakes into people's houses and packet injecting spells
UO was the glory days of all MMOs
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DAOC housing had an awesome bug/feature that was soooo much fun.
one time, my son and i, trapped my brother in the basement of my house with boxes.
he flipped the f*ck out. that must be even better with people you don't know very well.
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Housing is even more of a niche than PvP.
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you're more of a bitch then STD.
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I owned an entire Villa settlement and a mansion not far from the settlement in Asheron's Call.
Apartments are the only housing option that isn't located on the landscape.
Though, AC has a 500sq Km zone-free landscape for that housing to exist on.
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One of the cool things about housing in AC1 is that if you buy a house owned previously by someone who didn't clean it out before they quit, then you get all the stuff in the chest, as well as all the wall hangings etc. Can be an easy way to get some decent items.
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