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3 per active player...may have to give it a try .
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What's all this now? I would give TOR a go for free.
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Free trials this soon are never a good thing. That said, I'd hop on for 15 days just to be sure that I was correct in having no interest in this game.
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Where is the link? I know the servers are empty but this already? Bad bad Mojo.
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What's all this now? I would give TOR a go for free.
Same here. Free trials are imo gonna be necessary going forward if an MMO is to survive. I don't think this is necessarily a negative. The games cost too much to risk not playing before buying the box (or download) imo.
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As I said earlier... they are hemorraging subs. 
It'll be justified away like anything else, but to be honest, free trials might actually do a lot of good for TOR. Casual people will get enough story to be hooked in a trial, but not too much that they realize what is actually going on, so they'll sub for a period of time because it's fun to play at star wars, in their own personal story. They'll assume the MMO part will come later at higher levels.
Now they are subbed, only to realize that there is nothing else after the story. Bioware still gets their money, for whatever period they subbed for.
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It's ideal for BW as long as they still make people buy a full-price retail box when the trial ends. Free trials are a great idea for TOR because the gameplay is actually good to begin with.
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It's ideal for BW as long as they still make people buy a full-price retail box when the trial ends. Free trials are a great idea for TOR because the gameplay is actually good to begin with.
i disagree with that but i think free trials and f2p would do a world of good for the game.
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Read the rest of the sentence.
SWTOR makes an excellent first impression.
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i disagree that the GAMEPLAY is good. i fully agree with you that the rest of it is good at first. i think the gameplay was always kind of crap. but everything else made you not really notice how bad it was, initially.
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That's probably true. I didn't mean the gameplay in particular so much as the game experience.
SWTOR is one of those games where the suck creeps up on you. I think they can probably sell a lot of retail boxes with a free trial. Where they are going to have trouble is keeping existing subscribers subscribed. The legacy system is a smart addition that can't come too soon because it is obviously a shameless way to try to get people to keep their subscriptions up through rerolling alts.
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my entire game plan has been to level alts through their storylines
its like you guys had no idea what TOR was
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They called it an MMO and said it would have "stunning" open world PVP. In fact it is not really an MMO and has the worst PVP of any MMO I've ever played. 
P.S. The imperial agent storyline is miles better than every other storyline in the game so you picked the wrong storyline to do first. Everything else is going to be crap in comparison. People told me the trooper storyline was great so I made my 2nd character a trooper but it isn't great at all compared to IA.
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I still don't have any idea what it is, for the most part. If it's WoW in space or WoW in a Star Wars setting I think that could be good, actually. WoW did it right and i got many hours of enjoyment from that game. But from what I have read/heard...not universally, mind you, but for the most part...it simply isn't well-rounded enough for me to go out and buy at this point.
I'd certainly like to give it a test drive to see if I agree, though.
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The genius of a test drive is to make sure you don't get a chance to really see what it's like. I'm sure the free trials will cap at level 20 or something like that. At that point the game is still refreshing and fun. You don't find out it sucks till you get into the 40s and realize there is nothing interesting to do once you finish the single player part of the game.
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ive got a Trooper to 26, the story is good so far imo. ive got a Warrior to 21, the story is good so far imo. i also find the planet storyline quests to be excellent
both of those toons i am duoing with homies. i need to start a solo alt here soon
anyone that thought a Bioware RPG was going to have awesome PvP deserves to be disappointed
and i group all the time. i have done all flashpoints and all heroics on my way to 50. helped that i rolled a healer probably, but it is definitely an MMO
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I did all flashpoints too. But flashpoints are just disembodied group levels. There is no sense of them actually existing in the world.
The whole game is set up to minimize meaningful interactions with other players except when you actively seek them out.
It is very much a single player game with some minor multiplayer functionality thrown in. Which is why it's such a shock when you hit level cap and realize there is no more worthwhile solo content and the game changes completely.
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you could roll an alt 
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I did. My alt is now in the 40s and the game is getting bad again.
I've only got like 10 more days on the subscription so it's not a big deal. It was probably worth the cash. I am damn glad I didn't go full retard and buy the $150 version, though.
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i also bought a 6 month sub
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I have to admit Yuki is right. Of all the games a free trial in SWTOR will probably work because of the early story lines. The alts only work for a little while IMO. I have 3 in the 30s and a couple 20s. When I log on a 30 and see that I again have 25 moles to kill it just sucks the life out of the game. Plus the fact that every quest is diagonally at the other end of the map from the quest giver. The traveling and whack a mole wears on you at higher levels.
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The traveling and whack a mole wears on you at higher levels.
This is a big pet peeve of mine. Someone counted these up for the trooper storyline. For the trooper storyline, you must visit the coruscant senate tower 141 times. ONE HUNDRED AND FORTY ONE. And *NONE* of these visits except the first one (at least until the mid 40s - I haven't finished yet) are actually important to the story in any way at all. There is no reason they couldn't all be done via holocall.
If you add up the run time and loading time, these 140 unnessecary trips add a minimum of 6.5 hours to the story time that is just shameless padding.
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Okay SWTOR fans how much of this is accurate?
http://imgur.com/a/jdvxx/noscript
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Okay SWTOR fans how much of this is accurate?
http://imgur.com/a/jdvxx/noscript
Pretty much all of it.
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I have been playing the game a good amount by my standards and it seems the people that are complaining the most have played even more than I have. I don't get people who will compulsively play a game for hours and hours and then complan about it like it kicked their baby only to turn around to play it for hours and hours.
I like the game but there was a time when I unsubscribed. SWTOR is the first MMO that I actually wanted to play after unsubscribing. Usually as soon as I do I stop playing because the appeal of the carrot is gone. In SWTOR I wanted to keep going with the story and that is why I kept playing.
Max level is not the end, the story is.
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There is more story past the class line. The world story leading up to the destruction of Malgus and beyond is pretty cool.
We just got through our first raid (Eternity vault) Monday night. Was hella fun.
It's got all the game mechanics Wow does, it just needs more time for additional content. The launch has been one of the smoothest in memory.
The fact that they are releasing end game content in the first quarter after release is fantastic. Unlike other games (cough - Wow - cough), they haven't had to spend the first three months getting infrastructure together and fixing showstoppers.
Overall, I am impressed and still having fun. Your mileage may vary.
**Edit - A common theme I'm seeing to the complaining is lack of social activity. Everyone seems to be unimpressed that the solo route starts to run out of viability at 50. Big surprise that an MMO would need others to access content**
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It's more the social side of things is so different from the 1-50 story experience and so derivative in comparison.
The game changes completely when you hit 50. There's maybe another hour or two of reasonable solo content post 50 then it's all repeated daily quests on both the pve and pvp side.
It is too harsh to say the group PVE content is bad but it is not particularly good either. And if you have been doing flashpoints as you level up, there's only 1-2 new flashpoints to do. The PVP is dreadful, especially at 50.
So that basically leaves raiding as the only real new thing the game offers at 50 in return for the end of the story experience.
Like I said, it's not a bad mmo at 50. It's just got nothing to reccomend it over any of the others. The selling points of the game disappear once you hit the level cap. It is actually the polar opposite of the experience I have had in most other MMOs where getting to max level feels like busywork. In this one, leveling was good but being at max level feels like busywork.
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All end game MMO gameplay seems like busy work to me. WOW's end game combined synchronized swimming to the mix.
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There's 5\6 end Game Flashpoints and 2 OPS. With 2 more Flashpoints and another OP planned in the next month.
I won't argue that end game needs play balancing and some tweaking. But it's not terrible. It's about the same as WOW imo.
I would expect a shift to end game content this spring.
Part of the problem in your evaluation Yuki, imo, is that you are comparing a game that's been released for 2 months with a game that's been out 8 years.
Wow endgame was TERRIBLE at launch and for about the first year afterwords.
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True enough. Maybe I am just getting better at seeing through the illusion.
Although certain choices they made definitely make the disconnect bigger in SWTOR. One of the more obvious ones is the way the WZ pvp is exactly the same at 50 as it is before 50, except for the gear treadmill. It gives a feeling of a lack of any real PVP progression. Ilum is a total trainwreck that is just downright embarassing. So there is nothing to look forward to on the PVP side of things about being at level cap.
Right now they are asking the limited multiplayer PVE element of the game to carry all the water at max level and I don't think that is going to work in the long term. Nobody bought TOR for the raid content. It may keep people occupied a month or two but it is not going to keep them satisfied in the long term.
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Wow endgame was TERRIBLE at launch and for about the first year afterwords.
I have to agree here, and I've pretty much been a wow fanboi since the game launched.
In fact, for me level 60 *was* endgame as I hit level 60 in Silithus with my hunter, logged him off and unsubbed for like six months. I've resubbed and unsubbed back and forth at least a half dozen times over the years in the interim but I never did go back to that toon.
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Did WOW have battle grounds at launch? I can't remember.
Honestly WOW has changed so much sense launch that it next to impossible to compare SWTOR to it directly. SWTOR has has a really good launch IMO and as long as they have money coming in they will be putting a good chunk back into it which is what really makes an MMO worth the long term time investment. That is why I am content just leveling up multiple characters.
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Illum is definitely an embarrassment.
There are solo quests there that are broken 2 months after launch. And PVP is just straight jacked there as well.
If they don't attempt to address end game issues (particularly with PVP) by summer, I'm done.
For now, I'm enjoying the aesthetic and trying to keep some perspective on my expectations > their time in the market.
It's reasonable to wait 6 months with alt leveling to see where end game content is headed.
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That link I posted referenced that they had a $300 million budget and seemed to allude to the fact that more was expected based on said budget.
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There's 5\6 end Game Flashpoints
There are 9 or 10 IIRC you can do as HMs. But only 1 is really a level 50 flashpoint. If you are generous you can say there are 3 endgame flashpoints that players may have been unlikely to have done before they hit 50. Although 2 of those 3 are extremely easy if you are in a group of 50s because they're actually balanced for 47-49 instead.
I get what you are saying about comparing new games to old ones but it's sorta besides the point. In terms of PVE group content available at the level cap I don't disagree they are doing ok for a game three months old.
SWTOR is a game where the selling point is the leveling experience. As long as that is true they are going to have trouble keeping long-term subs. They need to find something to keep people interested in the game post level cap and right now what they have is probably not enough for people unless they are big into raiding.
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P.S. Wow didn't have any BGs at launch IIRC. There is no doubt that if wow launched today the way it did in 2004 it would fail.
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