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Obviously he can't run on his record because it stinks. He can't run on "hope" and "change" again because that would essentially be campaigning against himself.
Will he just go purely negative against the Republican? Will he run on "not Bush" again? I think half the Democratic party thinks Bush is still in office so that might be viable.
What's it going to be? I'm betting it will be something fluffy and meaningless and Democrats will be so hypnotized they won't notice.
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His WINNING Record!!
He's winning wars.
He's winning on the economy.
He's winning at loving America!!!
He's winning at making the GOP look like sour grapes.
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Why on God's green Earth would he run on anything? He can say absolutely nothing, give no speeches, skip any debates and spend little to no money on ads and he will win his reelection bid with ease.
The GOP took what should have been a slam dunk and somehow managed to make the Michael Dukakis campaign look like a brilliant piece of American political history.
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IMHO posted:
He'll just make stuff up.
Prolly.
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I agree with Bowl. With how full of retard the Republican candidates are, his chance of being reelected is pretty much already decided
They're all bad choice of course. The 2 party system fixes the system to ensure that there's no real change in policy when it comes to Presidential races
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By the time the RWNs pick someone to run...
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he will run on his record.. and it will be an easy victory.
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Worked for Bush. Will probably work for Obama for the same reason.
There really are a lot of parallels between those two.
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His WINNING Record!!
He's winning wars.
He's winning on the economy.
He's winning at loving America!!!
I wish I thought you were just trolling, and not believing any of that heap.
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Love love love the out of touch RWN who seem to think Obama has done nothing.
Osama Bin Laden dead.
Troops removed from Iraq.
Economy back on track.
Saved the auto industry, saving millions of jobs.
Removed DADT.
Employment higher than it has been in four years.
National health care.
You can say "but... but... but..." And not agree with some of those things, but too bad. They happened for good or ill and a lot of people like healthcare, repeal of DADT and Osama dead, so suck it. :-)
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Love love love the out of touch RWN who seem to think Obama has done nothing.
Osama Bin Laden dead.
Troops removed from Iraq.
Economy back on track.
Saved the auto industry, saving millions of jobs.
Removed DADT.
Employment higher than it has been in four years.
National health care.
You can say "but... but... but..." And not agree with some of those things, but too bad. They happened for good or ill and a lot of people like healthcare, repeal of DADT and Osama dead, so suck it. :-)
 If you actually believe some of those you need serious help.
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I guess you'll learn in November that 50% of the country "needs help" then.
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I kinda hope santorum gets elected. It would be just the best for us foreigners (the non brown ones at least) because it would just be so funny
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Grymlo posted:
Jaedence posted:
Love love love the out of touch RWN who seem to think Obama has done nothing.
Osama Bin Laden dead.
Troops removed from Iraq.
Economy back on track.
Saved the auto industry, saving millions of jobs.
Removed DADT.
Employment higher than it has been in four years.
National health care.
You can say "but... but... but..." And not agree with some of those things, but too bad. They happened for good or ill and a lot of people like healthcare, repeal of DADT and Osama dead, so suck it. :-)
If you actually believe some of those you need serious help.
Which are inaccurate ?
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I'll take the 2 easy ones.
Economy is not back on track. Stock market is a big speculative bubble caused by nowhere else to put easy fed funds. Actual sales on almost everything continue to trend down (or up very slightly, not consistent with population increase).
Employment. The employment rate of the population continues to fall.
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poetkiosk posted:
Grymlo posted:
Jaedence posted:
Love love love the out of touch RWN who seem to think Obama has done nothing.
Osama Bin Laden dead.
Troops removed from Iraq.
Economy back on track.
Saved the auto industry, saving millions of jobs.
Removed DADT.
Employment higher than it has been in four years.
National health care.
You can say "but... but... but..." And not agree with some of those things, but too bad. They happened for good or ill and a lot of people like healthcare, repeal of DADT and Osama dead, so suck it. :-)
If you actually believe some of those you need serious help.
Which are inaccurate ?
You arent serious. There are a few there blatantly inaccurate and you know it.
"Economy back on track."  You gotta be on drugs to believe this.
"Saved the auto industry, saving millions of jobs."  millions huh?
"Employment higher than it has been in four years."
"National health care."  To most, his health care plan is a horrible thing.
The rest can be applauded.
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I agree that he will be running on DADT, and contraception.
When you're a complete failure, you've got to make $hit up. After another four years of his apologizing to the world and destroying the future of our economy, you will see a very strong swing back in the other direction. I'm not sure who the GOP's "extreme" conservative antithesis to Obama will be, but there will be one. Without Bush's second term, there couldn't have been an Obama.
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Which are inaccurate ?
The economy is about to take a second dip. He should NOT run on employment numbers. lol that would be a huge mistake. We still have troops in Iraq. He didn't save the auto industry. The auto industry would be chugging along with or without GM. We don't have national health care yet. I need to mention gasp prices and the general mood of the country that is on par with what Carter was facing his second term. If the GOP put up anyone that inspired people they would win in a landslide just as Reagan did. People are just looking for an excuse to vote for someone other than President Obama.
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Grymlo posted:
Jaedence posted:
Love love love the out of touch RWN who seem to think Obama has done nothing.
Osama Bin Laden dead.
Troops removed from Iraq.
Economy back on track.
Saved the auto industry, saving millions of jobs.
Removed DADT.
Employment higher than it has been in four years.
National health care.
You can say "but... but... but..." And not agree with some of those things, but too bad. They happened for good or ill and a lot of people like healthcare, repeal of DADT and Osama dead, so suck it. :-)
If you actually believe some of those you need serious help.
SO instead of actually addressing any of the points, you make some retarded blanket statement (as ususal). In other words, you've got nothing.
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Jaedence posted:
Osama Bin Laden dead.
Troops removed from Iraq.
Economy back on track.
Saved the auto industry, saving millions of jobs.
Removed DADT.
Employment higher than it has been in four years.
National health care.
1. Bin Laden: JSOC did this. The fact that the president even knew about it before it happened was nothing more than a political courtesy. The operation was not spontaneous, contrary to what some people would like you to think. JSOC killed Bin Laden. Not Obama.
2. Troops removed from Iraq: The Obama administration attempted to keep tens of thousands of troops in Iraq past the end of the year. They requested a postponement of the withdrawal timeline. Iraq said, "No, gtfo." The administration was/is not in a position to say, "No, not gonna GTFO." This being said, there are still troops in Iraq.
3. Economy back on track: Right...
4. Saved the auto industry: Right...
5. Removed DADT: He put his signature on this. I have absolutely no problem with saying "Well done" in this case.
6. Employment higher than it has been in four years: Hmmm?
7. National Health Care: Orly? Not so fast.
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Elkad posted:
I'll take the 2 easy ones.
Economy is not back on track. Stock market is a big speculative bubble caused by nowhere else to put easy fed funds. Actual sales on almost everything continue to trend down (or up very slightly, not consistent with population increase).
Employment. The employment rate of the population continues to fall.
Hey there Mr. RWN.
Stock market is still cheap by historical standards. Large companies are making record profits and the stock market hasn't caught up to the earnings with its price.
Mr. RWN, you forgot the un part of employment. It was trending horribly when Obama took office and has reversed.
You can blame the participation rate on the wealthy, bud. That's because businesses themselves have outsourced labor and become much leaner in making current employees work at a record high productivity pace. Also at the expense of everyone, CEOs and upper management have slowly hoarded capital with a massive CEO-to-worker pay around ~400:1. That's a very recent phenomenon since late 80s. It used to be like 25:1 That means less capital for us lowly, income-stagnated americans.
Edit: baby boomers are to blame too. many of them easily make double what i make where i work. many of them in their late 60s and early 70s. they don't want to retire.
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So in the same breath, you blame rich people for fluctuating productivity with employment outsourcing, and then say that the market is great due to rich investors, so much so that the charts haven't even caught up with how great it is.
There is such a thing as too much kool aid.
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So in the same breath, you blame rich people for fluctuating productivity with employment outsourcing, and then say that the market is great due to rich investors, so much so that the charts haven't even caught up with how great it is.
There is such a thing as too much kool aid.
there's nothing hypocritical about that. is my opinion too moderate for you that i dont wharblegarble about how the stock market is the reincarnation of the devil?
i don't have problems with people making profits. i have problems when the trickle-down to the people actually contributing to the profit doesn't make it past first base.
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1. Bin Laden: JSOC did this. The fact that the president even knew about it before it happened was nothing more than a political courtesy. The operation was not spontaneous, contrary to what some people would like you to think. JSOC killed Bin Laden. Not Obama.
Obama approved the mission, even though intel couldn't guarantee that OBL was in the compound. You know damn well if things had gone poorly, OBL had gotten away and JSOC was left with a house full of dead Pakistani civilians that RWN's wouldn't be saying "It was the military's fault".
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If you actually believe some of those you need serious help.
Not that I'm trying to single out Grym because I'm not, but this is the standard RWN response when you discuss anything at all positive that Obama has done. It is one of those many indicators that it is virtually impossible to have any sort of reasonable discourse in politics anymore, and that it is a waste of time to even try.
Just vote your conscience imo.
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ZigmundZag posted:
Obama approved the mission, even though intel couldn't guarantee that OBL was in the compound. You know damn well if things had gone poorly, OBL had gotten away and JSOC was left with a house full of dead Pakistani civilians that RWN's wouldn't be saying "It was the military's fault". [/quote]
JSOC executes missions like this with relative regularity without notifying the president. Of course, the difference here was that the target was the Bogey Man. The only reason he was even made privy to mission preparation and the mission itself was as a political courtesy. There would have been hell to pay if the operation went down and he didn't know about it until after the fact.
But I do agree with you: If the operation had gone awry, RWN's would certain blame the President and not the military. Recall Operation Eagle Claw. It was by no means Carter's fault, but yet he suffered the fallout.
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If you think that the military routinely runs operations where they send 90 men into a foreign country that we aren't at war with, without informing that country, and attack a compound next to that countries premier military college and largest military base, to kill a civilian, and they don't even bother to mention it to the president.....you are the biggest idiot that ever posted on this board.
The authorization and the impetus for the operation came from the very top, no other way it could have ever happened. The fact that you are trying everything in your power, including ignoring reality, to deny Obama played a pivotal in the operation taking place....is a clear indication that you are both full of crap, and wouldn't give the man credit for anything no matter what.
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There is zero doubt that the decision came from Obama and that the responsibility belongs to him. The RWNs need to get off of it and acknowledge Obama on this one.
However while the LWNs continue chest thumping each other over this, they completely fail to acknowledge that the act has deeply driven a rift between us and the Pakistani government. What amounted to occasional sympathetic acts from them towards the Taliban in the past has swelled to titanic proportions. We are not getting intel help, we are not getting the cooperation we had in the past, and the Taliban is being allowed to move as they want.
Basically the same LWNs circle jerking over the raid will be the same ones looking for someone else to blame in a couple years when the Taliban emerges victorious in both Pakistan and Afghanistan. That isn't even accounting for the heavy American deaths that is happening now, currently.
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Y'all are vastly overthinking this.
He's going to run on being the only grown-up in the entire field. It's all he has to do to win.
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OK...I take it back YOU are the biggest idiot that ever posted on IGN.
Pakistan has been stabbing us in the back at every single god damned opportunity for the past decade, since W made them our "good friends".
How the hell do you think Obama spent 8 years sitting within spitting distance of their military college? The people there hate us, the government takes our billions in aid and funnels it to taliban fighters and jihadist fighting our troops in Afghanistan and, formerly, Iraq.
There is no way we could make the situation worse, they've been flipping us off and laughing about it since this whole thing started.
Jebus....learn to think, or at least read.
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OHow the hell do you think Obama spent 8 years sitting within spitting distance of their military college?
If a mid to right poster would have made that typo you would have shot off pages of spittle shooting rage. More so than usual. 
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I think ptilk was talking about moe. And he's right. Pakistan is not our ally in this fight and never has been. While I'm sure the killing of OBL didn't help things diplomatically with Pakistan, that rift has been there since we went into Afghanistan. Actually it's been there since we started sending Dell tech support jerbs to India instead of Pakistan.
Pakistan is our new Cambodia. We're bombing the wrong brown people.
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You didn't even see the IGN one eh?
Oh yeah, and not you Tal, Moe...as usual.
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Tali knows better, or he should anyways.
And if you drug fried idiots can pull your peckers out of your inflatable Obama dolls long enough to think, maybe you can be taught the difference between neutral and enemy.
No one mistakes Pakistan for an ally, despite all the mooshy BS that both Bush and Obama have used.
However there is a vast difference between placating them enough to keep them neutral, and just pissing in the wind at them and turning them 100% Taliban ally.
They have nukes and that changes everything.
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I was teasing Ptilk about being slow in responding 
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I can't wait till Iran gets nukes, they become our "friends", all this stupid talk of war with them goes away, and oil prices drop back down to......well, oil prices not, but the rest of it yeah.
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Saving the American auto industry will carry alot of votes. It should carry votes all over the country but quite a few people hate American labor enough to see this as a negative.
But this will help most in the 'battleground states'. Michigan, Ohio, Indiana.....
Without those states its going to be very hard for Romney to win. The impact in the South wont make a difference since wasnt going to win Arkansas and Texas anyway.
If the economy continues with modest growth he can run on that too. Even with elevated unemployment, people will respond positively to the trend.
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Tali knows better, or he should anyways.
And if you drug fried idiots can pull your peckers out of your inflatable Obama dolls long enough to think, maybe you can be taught the difference between neutral and enemy.
No one mistakes Pakistan for an ally, despite all the mooshy BS that both Bush and Obama have used.
However there is a vast difference between placating them enough to keep them neutral, and just pissing in the wind at them and turning them 100% Taliban ally.
They have nukes and that changes everything.
They've been a Taliban ally since the beginning, brah. You act like the killing of OBL started it all. That is factually inaccurate.
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That isn't what I act like, Mr Dumblewhore. Again its a question of balance. There were better ways to take out OBL without advertising that we pissed on Pakistan to do it.
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That isn't what I act like, Mr Dumblewhore.
um okay
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However while the LWNs continue chest thumping each other over this, they completely fail to acknowledge that the act has deeply driven a rift between us and the Pakistani government.
The rift was already there. Pakistan wasn't letting us in there to take out OBL. We couldn't even get intel from Pakistan on OBL, WTF makes you think they'd let us into their country to take him out if we'd simply been "more diplomatic?" The minute we announced to them that we knew where OBL was, they'd have alerted OBL and OBL wouldn't be there anymore.
Try not to be such a partisan nub.
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Sorry Ash I thought you were ex military and would not be clueless to this stuff. My apologies so I will spell it out for you.
Allies fight along side each other. Neutral don't help each other nor shoot at each other. Enemies shoot at each other.
Us and Pakistan have been neutral for a long while. They are traditionally friends with the Taliban but have allowed us to use their bases, air space, and occasionally even mount offensives against some of the more infested Taliban areas. These are all good things.
The bad side is that some Taliban sympathizers in the upper echelons of the government have fed the Taliban a steady stream of intel about us.
It has mostly balanced out because the Pakistani Government has been able to appease the masses about us, and keep a balance.
Then Obama chooses a headline grabbing raid to take out OBL instead of snipers, cruise missiles, a car bomb, etc. But US choppers and a special ops strike force.
Now suddenly things are tense, US soldiers are dying at a much higher rate under Obama compared to Bush.
If Bush got heat for his "Bring it on!" comments to the insurgents, and rightly so, then Obama needs to be held accountable for the ripple effects of his decisions.
Stop being a partisan douchebag and hold an equal standard.
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Sorry Ash I thought you were ex military and would not be clueless to this stuff. My apologies so I will spell it out for you.
Allies fight along side each other. Neutral don't help each other nor shoot at each other. Enemies shoot at each other.
ARGLEBARGLE
You're ridiculously naive.
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You are a total effing idiot.
Of course more troops were dying in Afghanistan in 2009-2011....we were actually fighting a war then, as opposed to sitting in underground bunkers in Kandahar, which was the main thing they were doing for the previous 5 years. We dramatically increased the number of combat troops and started major offensive engagements to take back the majority of the country.
I don't happen to think that this was a good idea, but attributing the increased number of US casualties to Obama's getting OBL is beyond stupid, it's not even faintly logical. The number of casualties increased dramatically long before it ever happened. Strange how it doesn't coincide with your stupid claim, and completely coincides with the increased offensive and the extra 30K troops Obama sent eh?
You are pathetic. Pakistan was never our friend, they were never neutral, they have consistently and constantly undermined the US military at every stage of both stupid wars Bush started. Afghanistan wouldn't have been completely stupid if he would have finished the damn job and got out, instead of attacking Iraq, but he didn't and so it was, and is.
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It's very funny how vitriolic you all are to each other over something so meaningless. Some of you devolve into name calling right from the get go. It must be terribly easy to troll some of you in your everyday life. It is very entertaining for me.
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Bush's stupid wars?
You continue to chest thump Obama for stuff while continuing to blame any negative on Bush. Hilarious. 4 more years of (D)Bush doctrine will be perfect.
March 2012.. "BUSH'S WAR!!"
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It's almost as though you're being deliberately obtuse (aka trolling). Obama ran on a two-prong platform wrt Iraq and Afghanistan: 1) Get troops out of Iraq (done). 2) Ramp up troop levels in Afghanistan, get Bin Laden, get out of Afghanistan (2/3 done). You can continue bleating that the killing of OBL somehow soured previously-rosy relations with Pakistan, but here in the real world everyone knows that Pakistan was against us from the moment we set foot in Afghanistan.
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Obama will run on the economy being less bad than it was, OBL being dead and the republican nominee being either a rich businessman totally out of touch with normal people or a crazy ideologue.
Things are actually looking pretty good for Obama right now. If the economy flops again that'll change but otherwise it is looking pretty clear sailing.
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Obama will run on the economy being less bad than it was, OBL being dead and the republican nominee being either a rich businessman totally out of touch with normal people or a crazy ideologue.
Things are actually looking pretty good for Obama right now. If the economy flops again that'll change but otherwise it is looking pretty clear sailing.
Right about now the Reps should be putting forth legislation that will wreck the economy. This seems a viable option to get back the WH for them.
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They can't do anything at the national level except to cause a default, and they were too chickenshit to do that last time around.
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Dont ask dont tell might be obamas big thing. The funny thing is that affects what? 1% of the population? Gay And in the military.
The economy is in shambles and we are fielding several wars but the biggest thing for obama is DADT and birth control.
Obamas new healthcare reform was more like "lets line the pockets of health insurance companies".
Osama bin laden might not even be dead or he may have died a lomg time ago. We need to see pictures and video but by now anything could be doctored.
Im a democrat but im still open to voting for santorum or romney. I think obama is a bad president.
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Things are actually looking pretty good for Obama right now. If the economy flops again that'll change but otherwise it is looking pretty clear sailing.
Things are fabulous for Obama. Its hilarious that some of the harder partisans have done their best to paint Obama as an underdog, you're not one of those.
He has never been in danger of losing and that is true now as well.
None of the higher ups want Obama out of office. Not wallstreet, not the war profiteers, not even the repubs. 
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Im a democrat but im still open to voting for santorum or romney. I think obama is a bad president.
Santorum? Really?
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Ashmaele posted:
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If you actually believe some of those you need serious help.
Not that I'm trying to single out Grym because I'm not, but this is the standard RWN response when you discuss anything at all positive that Obama has done. It is one of those many indicators that it is virtually impossible to have any sort of reasonable discourse in politics anymore, and that it is a waste of time to even try.
Just vote your conscience imo.
So what you are saying is that you believe all of those blanket statements made? I added a post that was a little more in-depth as to what i agreed with and what i didnt btw
You believe millions of jobs were saved from gobmint motors takeover?
You believe employment is higher than it has been in 4 years?
You believe he economy is back on track?
Come on Jackie. I gave credit where credit was due on the others but dont use the blanket Obama can do no wrong or harm mantra that hardcore libs use.
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