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Groucho48 
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Subject: Cato vs. Koch
The battle heats up.


We seek no ‘takeover,’ and this is not a hostile action.

This is at odds with both the words and deeds of the Koch brothers of late. Last year, they used their shares to place two of their operatives – Kevin Gentry and Nancy Pfotenhauer – on our board against the wishes of every single board member save for David Koch. Last Thursday, they used their shares to force another four new board members on us (the most that their shares would allow at any given meeting); Charles Koch, Ted Olson (hired council for Koch Industries), Preston Marshall (the largest shareholder of Koch Industries save for Charles and David), and Andrew Napolitano (a frequent speaker at Koch-sponsored events). Those four – who had not previously been involved with Cato either financially or organizationally – were likewise opposed by every member of our board save for Gentry, Pfotenhauer, and David Koch. To make room for these Koch operatives, we were forced to remove four long-time, active board members, two of whom were our biggest donors. At this moment, the Kochs now control seven of our 16 board seats, two short of outright control.

Why are they forcing out Cato board members, all strong, principled libertarians who have been heavily involved with Cato – financially and organizationally – for years? The answer was given in early November of last year when David Koch, Richard Fink (he of many Koch hats), and Kevin Gentry met with Cato board chairman Bob Levy. They told Bob that they intended to use their board majority to remove Ed Crane from Cato and transform our Institute into an intellectual ammo-shop for American for Prosperity and other allied (presumably, Koch-controlled) organizations. That statement of intent is certainly consistent with what we’ve been hearing from both Kevin Gentry and Nancy Pfotenauer. They’ve frequently complained during their short time on our board that Cato wasn’t doing enough to defeat President Obama in November and that we weren’t working closely enough with grass roots activists like those at AFP.


http://volokh.com/2012/03/03/koch-v-cato-a-view-from-cato/#more-56521

 

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Groucho48 posted:
grass roots activists like those at AFP.


Stunning that they continue to call groups like AFP "grassroots."

 

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Okay I have to admit that the Koch's weren't really in control of CATO before. But you should believe everything else I say about them because now it's for realz!

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Is this important to me? I mean is this something I need to know about?

 

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Wasn't Groucho one of the people that whined about every Cato thread that Paul would post?
You guys have ingested too much politics in your diet and its clogged your colons.

 

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Tych2 posted:
Is this important to me? I mean is this something I need to know about?

It's just Groucho's way of admitting he's been wrong every time he's ever written anything about CATO before.

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Did Groucho say that the Koch's were heavily involved in Cato? Or is this another one of your pathetic strawman attempts which will inevitably blow up in your face?

 

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paulg_68 posted:
Tych2 posted:
Is this important to me? I mean is this something I need to know about?

It's just Groucho's way of admitting he's been wrong every time he's ever written anything about CATO before.

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You mean the Charles Koch Foundation? Yeah, never had much influence there.


 

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paulg posted:

I was wrong about Obamacare being socialism because Obama isn't North Korea. If there are more extreme lengths to go to, it proves wrong everyone who was complaining about earlier extremes.


Good point Paul, and your analogy is spot on as always.

 

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Um....you do realize that the Koch brothers are the biggest share holders of CATO and have been since it was founded right? And that one of the brothers has been on their board since the day it was created right? And that it was originally called the Charles Koch Foundation, as it was fricken FOUNDED by the Koch brothers back in the early 70's...right?

Oh wait, I guess you didn't. laugh

 

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You can't simultaneously argue that they were in control all along and that they just seized control.

Groucho just argued that they made a power grab and seized control. Hence, they must not have been in control before now.

Groucho has therefore admitted he has been wrong every other time he has ever written about CATO.

The logic is inescapable.

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When did Groucho say that the Koch brothers controlled Cato?

 

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Rather than cite 100 references to times he's said it, I will just point out the fact that he didn't deny it here.

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I actually don't remember if I said they controlled Cato before. I probably did, though. Generally, I just mock its position papers for their total lack of integrity and factual content. If they created them because they believe them, then, they are stupid ideologues. If they created them because the Koch brothers pushed them to, then, they are venal ideologues. Or, they could be both, of course.

You live in a digital universe, unlike most of us who live in the real, analog universe. There are degrees of control. The Koch brothers have always exerted control over Cato. Now, they are working at taking it over completely and ending what little independence it ever had.


 

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So it seems there is a showdown between dumbasses and morons over who own CATO. I can only imagine what more Koch control would mean.


paul's retarded reaction to this is typical.

 

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Altra_Shadowstalker posted:

paulg posted:

I was wrong about Obamacare being socialism because Obama isn't North Korea. If there are more extreme lengths to go to, it proves wrong everyone who was complaining about earlier extremes.


Good point Paul, and your analogy is spot on as always.


/thread

Also, sounds like a douche vs turd sandwich grudgematch for control of the worst organization ever. grin

 

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Sounds like the remaining members of the Cato board who aren't directly employed by the Koch boys have just realized that they are also on the block and will soon be replaced. I'm sure they are as unhappy as they are surprised to discover they haven't been pandering to the Koch agenda(s) hard enough. Bummer.

 

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The Koch brothers were in control before, but now they are in super-mega-control in hopes to achieve ultra-mega-massive-total-control at some point.

 

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Groucho48 posted:
Cato vs. Koch



That just sounds SO dirty...

 

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Actually I believe the conversation goes,

"Gawd CATO produces awful crap. Who funds this nonsense? Oh the Koch brothers. No surprise."

CATO Guy "Hey Koch brothers we still want your money but stop trying to take over our board. We don't want to be a copy of your other "think" tank"

"Lulz, even the people at CATO fear the power of the Koch brothers cause they are so over the top! LULZ"

Koch apologist "So do the Koch brothers have full control over CATO or not cause like the choice is 100% control or nothing!!! dur dur dur"

rolling_eyes

 

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Tych2 posted:
Is this important to me? I mean is this something I need to know about?
Not really, no.

 

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Sin_of_Onin posted:
paul there is no doubt that CATO is just a mouthpiece for the Koch brothers. They are an attempt to provide legitimacy to the faith based ideology they are funded to support.


Anyone else want their self pwn revealed? This one took me about 30 seconds to google.

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And you think that this proves me wrong?

laugh

EDIT: I opened that thread to get the context of my quote. Damn you made a fool of yourself in that thread paul. Thanks for the laugh.

 

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