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There is a lot of talk about what is an appropriate penalty for the bounties that were being offered. And while multi-game suspensions might seem rough, they aren't a big deal if they are done at the start of a season.
Teams can still make the playoffs and have their dirty players back in time to play in them.
Goodell could send a much stronger message by disallowing the offending players from participating in the playoffs in their entirety for these infractions and those in the future.
No NFL player cares about a fine, regardless of the amount. $20K? Who cares! Besides, we knocked that SOB out of the game!
I guarantee if the penalty included suspension for the playoffs that there would be a lot fewer incidents.
There are a lot of dirty out-of-control players (on all teams) that need to be removed from the league, either temporarily or permanently if they persist in their behavior.
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Do you know who is really screwed here? The Rams. They did nothing wrong and will pay with the firing of Gregg Williams.
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Ban the coaches from football for life, ban the players for a full season.
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Let's just ban the Saints this entire year.
That way the season ticket holders get their money back, the players don't need to get paid.
The Super Bowl gets moved to another city and all is right in the world.
I have been reading and watching a lot on this since it happened. There better be an investigation into all teams, since most of the players are saying it happens in every locker room.
/rant off.
I am not condoning what happened, I just think this is being blown up by the media.
I see a lot of fishing in my future this fall.
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Afio posted:
Let's just ban the Saints this entire year.
That way the season ticket holders get their money back, the players don't need to get paid.
The Super Bowl gets moved to another city and all is right in the world.
I have been reading and watching a lot on this since it happened. There better be an investigation into all teams, since most of the players are saying it happens in every locker room.
/rant off.
I said the same thing when Spygate happened since we know ALL teams did it. The Pats are the only ones that got called out for it. You better learn to live with it for the next few years kiddo.
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i dont buy that every locker room sought to hurt opposing players
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The media definitely shares a lot of the blame.
It is the media who glorifies hard defensive hits (remember the show 'Jacked up?') and have for decades.
Defense used to be about tackling. Now it is about trying to hit someone so hard that you knock them out of the game.
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i dont buy that every locker room sought to hurt opposing players
Then you are naive. They might not have a bounty system like Williams did, but if you talk to ANY defensive player it's ALL about hurting the opponent.
There’s no greater feeling than moving a man from point A to point B against his will. - Russ Grimm
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thats a great quote...from an offensive lineman
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The fact he was an offensive guy means nothing. It was/is a great quote.
I heard it this morning from Mike Golic who is a defensive guy.
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Elocism posted:
i dont buy that every locker room sought to hurt opposing players
I happen to know for a fact the Packers don't do it. The issue with Suh showed that. When asked why they didn't retaliate they replied, " We were coached not to. We were told Detroit and Suh would probably do something stupid and the best thing to do was shrug it off. Let the scoreboard do the talking."
I am confident my Packers are not in the douchebag column. They were, I will never forget what they did to McMahon and I will always be ashamed of it, but that was a different team at a different time.
Players should be penalized moving forward unless something egregious is uncovered.
The coaches? Life Ban, barred from any contact or compensation with or from the NFL. Do that to one man and the practice will stop for good.
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Tych2 posted:
The fact he was an offensive guy means nothing. It was/is a great quote.
I heard it this morning from Mike Golic who is a defensive guy.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7647180/nfl-call-bounty-programs-cheating
Video of Mike Golic and Darren Woodson.
I am just saying the Saints got caught, they will be punished.
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What the Saints did wrong:
1) A coach was administrating the bounty system (bounties can be fine if they are purely player-run)
2) Outsiders contributed to the bounty pool which creates salary cap violations (it is ok if it is purely players contributing to the bounty pool)
3) There were bounties for injuries (a no-no regardless)
4) People lied to the commissioner about what was going on
I'm sure many/most teams have some sort of player-run bounty system that rewards big plays, but as long as they don't break 1-3, there isn't any real problem with it. 
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I'm getting tired of a sport that kills its players, grinds them up and spits them out and then has assholes that feel the need to actually inflict more pain than what is already being dished out.
Make the offenders play without pads without suspending them and see if they enjoy that much pain.
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Players like Suh don't belong in the league.
He needs a lifetime ban.
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My poor rams.
It was a hard enough season for us last year.
Maybe they will go join the euro league after all.
Dam you Saints!
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A long time ago there was a guy who would pop his arm up at the chin of players to hurt them. He had a long hit list of players he hurt.
My first reaction was a two game suspension but maybe more for those more closely involved. Plus money from the Saints and Williams, some of which should go to the Rams.
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Ban them for the whole season. You cannot tolerate a system where players actively tried and rewarded eachother for hurting other players.
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i concur
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Can you call it assault if there is premeditation?
Intent is being carried by the money wagered.
Probably a little farther than it will go, but congress is known to put its nose into things like this.
I miss guys like Romanowski.
You didn't need to put a bounty on the other team.
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vn_nnanji posted:
The coaches? Life Ban, barred from any contact or compensation with or from the NFL. Do that to one man and the practice will stop for good.
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Ban them for the whole season. You cannot tolerate a system where players actively tried and rewarded eachother for hurting other players.
Rewarding for legal hits is common in football. People make the pro bowl and are hired based on that.
The idea of paying people to hurt people is mostly problematic if it leads to illegal hits or intentionally going for knees or trying to use the helmet illegally. IF they found the rewards system encouraged to and lead to that behavior that is very damning.
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Rewards for tackles are one thing. Rewards for hurting someone are something entirely different.
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Yukishiro1 posted:
Rewards for tackles are one thing. Rewards for hurting someone are something entirely different.
You don't think a DE who is known for knocking QBs down hard doesn't get more in his contract? You think Dick Butkus didn't get paid more because he was trying to rip the other teams head off?
It is even more blatant in hockey when they have guys who are enforcers.
Like I said, hitting someone really hard and hurting them is significantly different than going for their knees or leading with your helmet.
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Payton's agent added money to the bounty pool. Who gets to add to the pool next? Bookies?
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