Similarly, the political scientists M. Kent Jennings and Laura Stoker analyzed data from a survey that tracked the political attitudes of about 1,000 high school students through their college years and into middle age. Their research found that the tendency of college graduates to be more liberal reflects to a large extent the fact that more liberal students are more likely to go to college in the first place.

Scarne posted:

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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/04/opinion/sunday/college-doesnt-make-you-liberal.html?_r=1

Similarly, the political scientists M. Kent Jennings and Laura Stoker analyzed data from a survey that tracked the political attitudes of about 1,000 high school students through their college years and into middle age. Their research found that the tendency of college graduates to be more liberal reflects to a large extent the fact that more liberal students are more likely to go to college in the first place.

Conservative parents, be worried! If your kid wants to go to college, he may already be a liberal but trying to hide it from you.

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Fist_de_Yuma posted:

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Scarne posted:

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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/04/opinion/sunday/college-doesnt-make-you-liberal.html?_r=1

Similarly, the political scientists M. Kent Jennings and Laura Stoker analyzed data from a survey that tracked the political attitudes of about 1,000 high school students through their college years and into middle age. Their research found that the tendency of college graduates to be more liberal reflects to a large extent the fact that more liberal students are more likely to go to college in the first place.

Conservative parents, be worried! If your kid wants to go to college, he may already be a liberal but trying to hide it from you.

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Sure, because everyone knows indoctrination of youth never happens. What I found was most students have a more conservative view of the world but have to hide it. The liberal group think made it a crime to express those views. You risk your GP by letting on you think the professor is full of it. You write a paper repeating the views of the professor as if you believe it. The problem is that those too stupid to understand what is going on often turn into the mob.

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Akza posted:

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Fist_de_Yuma posted:

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Scarne posted:

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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/04/opinion/sunday/college-doesnt-make-you-liberal.html?_r=1

Similarly, the political scientists M. Kent Jennings and Laura Stoker analyzed data from a survey that tracked the political attitudes of about 1,000 high school students through their college years and into middle age. Their research found that the tendency of college graduates to be more liberal reflects to a large extent the fact that more liberal students are more likely to go to college in the first place.

Conservative parents, be worried! If your kid wants to go to college, he may already be a liberal but trying to hide it from you.

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Sure, because everyone knows indoctrination of youth never happens. What I found was most students have a more conservative view of the world but have to hide it. The liberal group think made it a crime to express those views. You risk your GP by letting on you think the professor is full of it. You write a paper repeating the views of the professor as if you believe it. The problem is that those too stupid to understand what is going on often turn into the mob.

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Was liberal leaning before going to college but started becoming moderate... even started to slant slightly to the right... now all the herp derp about debt that magically appears that didn't make republicans rage when Reagan did it...

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Skonk posted:

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New York Times study confirms what libtards want to believe is the truth.

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Tych2 posted:

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Is the NY Times the one Tali calls Moonie Times and discounts everything they report?

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Kjarhall posted:

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People are already more liberal at that age. Conservatism grows in people after they've been beaten down by life for a few more decades.

I bet even Fist was less conservative when he was 20 than he is now.

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Vydor posted:

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I was pretty liberal when I left home and started out on my own. Those views changed quickly though when I was forced to provide for myself and family.

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eodoll posted:

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Is allowing gays to get married a liberal thing? It seems like common sense to allow two men or two women to get married. I dont think thats something college teaches you, thats something life teaches you.

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cabbyman posted:

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eodoll posted:

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Is allowing gays to get married a liberal thing? It seems like common sense to allow two men or two women to get married. I dont think thats something college teaches you, thats something life teaches you.

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Why can't three people get married?

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Yukishiro1 posted:

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cabbyman posted:

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eodoll posted:

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Is allowing gays to get married a liberal thing? It seems like common sense to allow two men or two women to get married. I dont think thats something college teaches you, thats something life teaches you.

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Why can't three people get married?

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Probably logistical and conceptual problems with how to catagorize the relationships. Are all three of them all married to eachother? Because most polygamous marriages arn't like that. It's one guy married to two women, but the two women arn't married to eachother.

If the two women are married to the dude but not to eachother, all sorts of problems crop up when one of the marriages fails and in relation to things like consent.

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Ptilk posted:

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People don't get more conservative as they get older.

"Conservatives" get more conservative as they get older.

Sure, some confused and mindless 20 year olds do a 180 and turn into the exact opposite of what they thought they sorta might believe when they were kids, but most people don't.

The reason older people are often more conservative than younger people isn't because the old person moved to the right, it's because the entire country has been continually moving to the left for the vast majority of it's existence.

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cabbyman posted:

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If two consenting adults can get married, why can't three consenting adults get married?

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Yukishiro1 posted:

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cabbyman posted:

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If two consenting adults can get married, why can't three consenting adults get married?

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I edited in a longer response. I don't think it means they can't. It's just a bad comparison because logistically the system has to be changed much more dramatically to accomodate polygamy.

Letting two men marry eachother is easy. Letting three people marry eachother gets very complicated.

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cabbyman posted:

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If two consenting adults can get married, why can't three consenting adults get married?

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cabbyman posted:

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Yukishiro1 posted:

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cabbyman posted:

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If two consenting adults can get married, why can't three consenting adults get married?

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I edited in a longer response. I don't think it means they can't. It's just a bad comparison because logistically the system has to be changed much more dramatically to accomodate polygamy.

Letting two men marry eachother is easy. Letting three people marry eachother gets very complicated.

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Why are we disenfranchising these people just because it's hard?

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Yukishiro1 posted:

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Marriages of 3+ raise a lot of conceptual and legal issues that marriages between two people don't raise. That doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed, but to try to compare allowing gay marriage to allowing polygamy is stupid because the issues are so different in practical terms. Letting two men get married doesn't raise any new issues that don't exist with letting a man and a woman get married.

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Tych2 posted:

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Is the NY Times the one Tali calls Moonie Times and discounts everything they report?

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Tych2 posted:

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Yukishiro1 posted:

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Marriages of 3+ raise a lot of conceptual and legal issues that marriages between two people don't raise. That doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed, but to try to compare allowing gay marriage to allowing polygamy is stupid because the issues are so different in practical terms. Letting two men get married doesn't raise any new issues that don't exist with letting a man and a woman get married.

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And they would have to change all the tax laws. The one that jumps out at me is Injured Spouse (8379)

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cabbyman posted:

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eodoll posted:

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Is allowing gays to get married a liberal thing? It seems like common sense to allow two men or two women to get married. I dont think thats something college teaches you, thats something life teaches you.

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Why can't three people get married?

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Ptilk posted:

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My hippy generation and it's views are pretty much the national zeitgeist on most issues today, and the majority of 20 and 30 somethings are even more liberal than most of my generation. They think discriminating against gays and staging a war on women is insane, they are for universal health care, they don't care what color you are, think that restricting and limiting the actions of corporations is a rightful responsibility and duty of the government, smoke weed, have premarital sex and see nothing wrong with it, don't really get into church but are 'spiritual', want to end the damn war machine the US has always been, want religious hypocrisy out of the law making process.....

The little burp where a minority of people ("conservatives"), with the aid of billions of dollars spent by the ultra-rich and the lazy negligence (and at times, outright compliance) of the "news" media convinced people that "conservatives" were winning.....is over. They had a 30 year run of being looked upon as legitimate option along with liberalism....but it got pushed too far, too many nut bags started believing their own crap, over reach, implosion.....done.

Liberalism and it's ideals won over the petty, small minded bigotry that US "conservatism" became.

Deal with it.

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It’s certainly true that professors are a liberal lot and that religious skepticism is common in the academy. In a survey of more than 1,400 professors that the sociologist Solon Simmons and I conducted in 2006, covering academics in nearly all fields and in institutions ranging from community colleges to elite universities, we found that about half of the professors identified as liberal, as compared to just one in five Americans over all. In the social sciences, humanities and natural sciences, Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents outnumbered Republicans by a wide margin; among social scientists, for example, there were 10 Democrats for every Republican. Though a majority of professors said that they believed in God, 20 percent were atheists or agnostics — compared with just 4 percent in the general population.

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