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Combo. NBA games are bad enough but I still went with combo.
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I was mostly just kidding about the NBA games, I wouldnt wish that on anyone. Thats like Child rapist like torture.
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what about the Redskins?
was it put in yet for the Rams?
i think sending them to an NBA game would be a bit much...NO ONE deserves that kind of punishment!
has anything come out on actual payouts or even injuries?
all i have heard is a whole lot of talk with no substance.
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remember the eagles putting bounties on Troy Aikmen?
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remember the eagles putting bounties on Troy Aikmen?
nothing wrong with that 
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You forgot an option.. It isn't the Patriots that got caught this time, so nobody cares.
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I dunno about the Redskins, we havent heard what happened there. We've heard at least how much the payments were and who was targetted so I dunno. I think the Rams would get a pass as they havent played any games yet with Williams.
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Buddy Ryan when he coached the Eagles was the worst for bounties, he would pay them out of his own pocket.
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I dunno about the Redskins, we havent heard what happened there. We've heard at least how much the payments were and who was targetted so I dunno. I think the Rams would get a pass as they havent played any games yet with Williams.
heard last night it was reported that same thing happened with the 'skins.
for anything major to happen there should at least be some proof of an actual payout or even show where they injured someone.
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Why is this such a big deal? Very heavy fines for what is deemed illegal and let the chips, or QBs, fall where they may. It's a man's sport. No place for pussies on the field.
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looks like when he was with the Bills too.
player for the bills said that it was more so pushed by the players.
also one of the players said there was never a witnessed payout.
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Why is this such a big deal? Very heavy fines for what is deemed illegal and let the chips, or QBs, fall where they may. It's a man's sport. No place for pussies on the field.
Its a big deal on a bunch of levels, the worst of which is paying players to hurt other players. Thats a massive issue especially since the league is currently being sued by former players for not protecting them enough. On top of that if you are paying players over their salary you also run into salary cap violations.
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so then do you question if the players were told that at contract time?
off the books bonuses could be an incentive.
still think there needs to be an injury list associated with this.
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Anyone that watches the NFL and thinks they're all not trying to hurt each other has never played the game. Trust me, it's not a friendly scrum out there.
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Anyone that watches the NFL and thinks they're all not trying to hurt each other has never played the game. Trust me, it's not a friendly scrum out there.
Thats not even close to the point. Maybe you are being dense on purpose though.
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Anyone that watches the NFL and thinks they're all not trying to hurt each other has never played the game. Trust me, it's not a friendly scrum out there.
Thats not even close to the point. Maybe you are being dense on purpose though.
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Brett Favre should get Drew Bledsoe's Superbowl ring.
I think maybe you mean Drew Brees, and no.
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Brett Favre should get Drew Bledsoe's Superbowl ring.
I think maybe you mean Drew Brees, and no.
Both Brees and Bledsoe have the same number of rings...
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Don't care I think the entire NFL should work on a bounty system.
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Anyone that watches the NFL and thinks they're all not trying to hurt each other has never played the game. Trust me, it's not a friendly scrum out there.
Thats not even close to the point. Maybe you are being dense on purpose though.
It's very close to the point when there isn't even an option up there I would chose.
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Oops ya that one.
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isnt this pretty much what theyre paid to do already though? I mean you pay 300 lb muscle bound men a few million a year to basically ram into each other at full running speed, what real difference is there in whether its directed at one specific person? It just seems kinda dumb to me. The people going into the sport knows its dangerous and know what theyre getting into when they sign up. They know they run the risk of major injury. I can sorta see how its alittle unfair to specifically target someone but ya get what I mean? Its still kinda part of the game. lol Thats not to say what they were doing is right either but still...I dunno maybe what Im trying to say is clear. lol
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Anyone that watches the NFL and thinks they're all not trying to hurt each other has never played the game. Trust me, it's not a friendly scrum out there.
Thats not even close to the point. Maybe you are being dense on purpose though.
It's very close to the point when there isn't even an option up there I would chose.
So you are the commissioner of the league. You and your entity are being sued because you have not done enough to protect players. You find out that a team has put in a system to pay players to injure other players on purpose and you opt to do nothing because "its not a friendly scrum out there".
As opposed to players just getting hurt because its a violent game.
And you see no difference.
You are either being dense on purpose, or blind, which is it?
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isnt this pretty much what theyre paid to do already though? I mean you pay 300 lb muscle bound men a few million a year to basically ram into each other at full running speed, what real difference is there in whether its directed at one specific person? It just seems kinda dumb to me. The people going into the sport knows its dangerous and know what theyre getting into when they sign up. They know they run the risk of major injury. I can sorta see how its alittle unfair to specifically target someone but ya get what I mean? Its still kinda part of the game. lol Thats not to say what they were doing is right either but still...I dunno maybe what Im trying to say is clear. lol
Damn it non...stop making sense! That's not even close to the point!
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[quote=Reapist]Anyone that watches the NFL and thinks they're all not trying to hurt each other has never played the game. Trust me, it's not a friendly scrum out there.
Thats not even close to the point. Maybe you are being dense on purpose though.
It's very close to the point when there isn't even an option up there I would chose.
So you are the commissioner of the league. You and your entity are being sued because you have not done enough to protect players. You find out that a team has put in a system to pay players to injure other players on purpose and you opt to do nothing because "its not a friendly scrum out there".
As opposed to players just getting hurt because its a violent game.
And you see no difference.
You are either being dense on purpose, or blind, which is it?[/quote]
Then it's time for him to tell the truth about how the game is played. People also watch NASCAR for the wrecks and everyone knows it. Maybe car racing should stop.
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Cutt, I might mention....I also like how you decide something is very black and white and no gray area exists. I really don't know how you function in this world. You seriously should have had the option of "Do nothing". You did ask what we thought should be done, and that's what I think should be done.
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Cutt, I might mention....I also like how you decide something is very black and white and no gray area exists. I really don't know how you function in this world. You seriously should have had the option of "Do nothing". You did ask what we thought should be done, and that's what I think should be done.
This is your interpretation, which is part of why you dont like me, you pigeonhole people into buckets when you dont understand something.
I would love to hear though your "gray" area for paying players to hurt other players. How is that gray at all? I am sure Goodell sees that as completely unacceptable, especially considering the league he runs is being sued by players who dont feel he is doing enough to protect them.
I didnt put Do Nothing because I figured if you wanted to Do Nothing you could just post that. I also didnt figure anyone would be dense enough to figure Goodell would do nothing but apparently I was incorrect.
Please explain how this is gray though, I am sure myself and others would LOVE to hear that hilarity.
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Hurting a player for a game or knocking them out of a game is ok. However intentionally injuring a player to hurt his career or even season if found doing that the coaches that were a part of that shouldnt be allowed to coach again imo. Teams that lost players due to playing the saints should get compensated draft pics tbd based on the players value.
If no one got hurt I guess a no harm no foul type of thing but considering how the league is going I would think they would want to curb this type of stuff.
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I'd like to see the Saints lose some picks and for greggs to be suspended.
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Reap is fine, he just gets worked up when he doesnt understand things to the point where he isnt being rational.
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Has the NFLPA said anything about it yet?
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NFLPA hasnt said anything yet but I doubt they will unless the NFL targets players. I doubt they wil, I think they go after the coaches and team/owner/GM in this case.
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Cutt, I might mention....I also like how you decide something is very black and white and no gray area exists. I really don't know how you function in this world. You seriously should have had the option of "Do nothing". You did ask what we thought should be done, and that's what I think should be done.
This is your interpretation, which is part of why you dont like me, you pigeonhole people into buckets when you dont understand something.
I would love to hear though your "gray" area for paying players to hurt other players. How is that gray at all? I am sure Goodell sees that as completely unacceptable, especially considering the league he runs is being sued by players who dont feel he is doing enough to protect them.
I didnt put Do Nothing because I figured if you wanted to Do Nothing you could just post that. I also didnt figure anyone would be dense enough to figure Goodell would do nothing but apparently I was incorrect.
Please explain how this is gray though, I am sure myself and others would LOVE to hear that hilarity.
LOL, of course No Nothing was not a voting option. It might skew what you wanted to see. I bet you would feel different about the issue if it was the Packers instead of the Saints.
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I heard about 20 seconds about this issue on the radio the other day.
My first thought was "Well duh".
Not like this hasn't been going on since forever, I remember a bit of an uproar back in the 70's about it. It was brought up in the NHL a few times over the past couple of decades as well.
Not endorsing or excusing it, just saying.... why the hell is everyone acting so surprised?
Any coach involved is going to get smacked down hard. Williams in particular is probably going to get booted from his job and get a ban from the NFL for a period of time. There will be endless committee meetings, wouldn't surprise me if congress started it's own investigation (not like they have anything important to do), there will be a flurry of lawsuits from ex-players no one remembers, and then it will go away....only to pop up again in 10 or 15 years, just like always.
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LOL, of course No Nothing was not a voting option. It might skew what you wanted to see. I bet you would feel different about the issue if it was the Packers instead of the Saints.
Again you are being dense. If it was the Packers or any other team is irrelevant. I wouldnt maybe want anything to happen, I wouldnt be stupid enough to think Do Nothing was an option. Not that dense. We all know (except you apparently) that something is going to happen regardless of what team it is, because of the severity of the action and the lawsuits already floating around.
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Of course something is going to happen. Because the media is making a lot of noise. It's going to end up being just like Toyota though. Once they had a fine levied against them all the sticking throttles just kind of went away.
But, you didn't ask what did we think will end up happening. You asked what should happen. Are you so stupid you can't remember this? Just saying.
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Blah blah blah something something something and every one but me is dumb
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Are you so stupid you can't remember this? Just saying.
So now you are going to argue semantics. Got it.
So think paying players to hurt other players is a "Gray" area.
You think if it was the Packers it would be different.
And now semantics.
Got it.
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Blah blah blah something something something and every one but me is dumb
lol. When he gets like this I think of him and Sith as being long lost brothers.
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Hey guys, did you know that football originated from the welsch sport of "wully Gully".
I know there is zero historical evidence to support this, but I'm sure it's true.
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Are you so stupid you can't remember this? Just saying.
So now you are going to argue semantics. Got it.
So think paying players to hurt other players is a "Gray" area.
You think if it was the Packers it would be different.
And now semantics.
Got it.
Continue.
Dude, really. It's not semantics. It's what you said in the title. It's only after reading your explanations I realize, because I suck at reading minds, you did not ask what you intended to ask.
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Hey guys, did you know that football originated from the welsch sport of "wully Gully".
I know there is zero historical evidence to support this, but I'm sure it's true.
I guess that's how they got "juke and jive" in there.
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Kah_v2 posted:
Hey guys, did you know that football originated from the welsch sport of "wully Gully".
I know there is zero historical evidence to support this, but I'm sure it's true.
I guess that's how they got "juke and jive" in there.
Juking has been common place in football since the 19th century, however jiving has never been part of the NFL lexicon.
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You didn't play with the brothers I played with then.
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You didn't play with the brothers I played with then.
The "brothers" (as you ignorantly call them) did not play professional football.
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They called themselves brother and me homey. How am I being ignorant?
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You didn't play with the brothers I played with then.
The "brothers" (as you ignorantly call them) did not play professional football.
Actually they did, one went on to play defensive back for the Raiders. Played for 14 years. Here's a link to his stats on NFL.com
I swear I really played with him and didn't just randomly pick some black guy that is around my age.
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Forget something?
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Forced to watch the NBA is simply to harsh a penalty.
Whatever the result is, it should be less than the ridiculously small punishment that Patriots got for cheating.
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You forgot an option.. It isn't the Patriots that got caught this time, so nobody cares.
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ESPN started trying to blow it over as nothing the minute it hit. Every other expert out there expects it to be a far bigger punishment than Spygate.
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I heard about 20 seconds about this issue on the radio the other day.
My first thought was "Well duh".
Not like this hasn't been going on since forever, I remember a bit of an uproar back in the 70's about it. It was brought up in the NHL a few times over the past couple of decades as well.
Not endorsing or excusing it, just saying.... why the hell is everyone acting so surprised?
Any coach involved is going to get smacked down hard. Williams in particular is probably going to get booted from his job and get a ban from the NFL for a period of time. There will be endless committee meetings, wouldn't surprise me if congress started it's own investigation (not like they have anything important to do), there will be a flurry of lawsuits from ex-players no one remembers, and then it will go away....only to pop up again in 10 or 15 years, just like always.
The same could be said regarding video taping other teams, even Tony Dungy said roughly the same thing.
The reason it hasnt blown up is because its not a hated team, its not a current championship team,and the media has yet to jump on the overhype bandwagon,
If it was Giants players saying this was going on, would anyone care or call for them to lose their championship? I highly doubt it.
But if it was the Pats, people would be crying foul again.
So the real question is.... How much money did Bernard Pollard make for ruining Brady's season on the first game back in '08??
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Lose draft picks. The franchise should be punished.
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Probably fines and loss of draft picks.
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The same could be said regarding video taping other teams, even Tony Dungy said roughly the same thing.
several coaches said the same.
players have come out and said this situation is widespread as well and not specific to Williams' teams.
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