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Not sure why... I think its cause the remote was out of reach. Anyway it brought a question to my mind. Is traveling not against the rules in the NBA? I must have counted 10 or 15 instances where someone MAJORLY traveled and prolly 20 more minor traveling situations and a bunch of iffy situations.
Now I only played for 1 year back in Jr. High then switched to a real sport (Wrastlin) but I seem to remember having a rule against traveling. It was something like 2 steps without dribbling. Did the NBA just do away with the rule or did they up it to like 7 steps? Very confused as to why it doesn't get called.
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It's much more difficult to ref an NBA game than you seem to think it is. Yes they call traveling...sometimes...when they see it.
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I don't trust an NBA hater who doesn't even watch the NBA to know the rules and know what traveling is or isn't though. For all I know you're just making isht up in order to hate on the NBA some more.
so, yeah.
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And no, traveling is never called. You pretty much have to start walking from center court to have it called.
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You don't know what traveling is. You can take several steps with the ball.
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You can pretty much stop dribbling and take 6 steps and do a slam dunk in the NBA, they'll never call it
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Also depends on who does the traveling. It's more likely to get called on a person from the bench then a star. I have seen star players glide in from out of 3 point area carrying the ball the whol dame way and layup and never get called. One of the reasons I quit watching it.
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wasn't the number of steps increased recently?
or is it just flat out ignored now?
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wasn't the number of steps increased recently?
or is it just flat out ignored now?
I think it's usually 2.5 steps. More than that and it's a travel.
Also, no shuffling of the pivot foot when you pick up your dribble
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You can pretty much stop dribbling and take 6 steps and do a slam dunk in the NBA, they'll never call it
As long as your name is Dwayne Wade or LeBron James, that is correct
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You can pretty much stop dribbling and take 6 steps and do a slam dunk in the NBA, they'll never call it
Thats wrong and also highly retarded, is everybody allowed to make up stuff that isn't true in this thread?
Yeah I'm sure you saw players travel 15 times without it being called. I'm sure you saw a player take 6 steps without dribbling and it wasnt called.
Post videos or it didn't happen
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You can take 2 steps after you are done dribbling.
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timtheswordsman posted:
You can pretty much stop dribbling and take 6 steps and do a slam dunk in the NBA, they'll never call it
Thats wrong and also highly retarded, is everybody allowed to make up stuff that isn't true in this thread?
Yeah I'm sure you saw players travel 15 times without it being called. I'm sure you saw a player take 6 steps without dribbling and it wasnt called.
Post videos or it didn't happen
I don't need to post videos, you were probably watching the same game... it was the Bull people vs those sex position guys.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSZGCfKvlTI
#5 stands out 
anyhow, 6 is a stretch, but 3 is very common.
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Also depends on who does the traveling. It's more likely to get called on a person from the bench then a star. I have seen star players glide in from out of 3 point area carrying the ball the whol dame way and layup and never get called. One of the reasons I quit watching it.
This is true for almost every call in the NBA and part of what makes it nearly unwatchable. They seemingly randomly call fouls, travels, and everything else. There is zero consistency in the calls. There are missed calls in all the sports but the NBA is by far the most inconsistent and lacking of any sense.
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Also depends on who does the traveling. It's more likely to get called on a person from the bench then a star. I have seen star players glide in from out of 3 point area carrying the ball the whol dame way and layup and never get called. One of the reasons I quit watching it.
This is true for almost every call in the NBA and part of what makes it nearly unwatchable. They seemingly randomly call fouls, travels, and everything else. There is zero consistency in the calls. There are missed calls in all the sports but the NBA is by far the most inconsistent and lacking of any sense.
most blatant of all was LeBron's last year, maybe the year before in the playoffs.
no one within 4 feet and he stumbled on his own and got a foul. 
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Caledric posted:
ikkoikki posted:
timtheswordsman posted:
You can pretty much stop dribbling and take 6 steps and do a slam dunk in the NBA, they'll never call it
Thats wrong and also highly retarded, is everybody allowed to make up stuff that isn't true in this thread?
Yeah I'm sure you saw players travel 15 times without it being called. I'm sure you saw a player take 6 steps without dribbling and it wasnt called.
Post videos or it didn't happen
I don't need to post videos, you were probably watching the same game... it was the Bull people vs those sex position guys.
WTH, are you seriously trolling me right now? 
I wouldn't trust what you saw if you saw it with my own eyes.
and yes that made sense in my head
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Cuttlery posted:
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Also depends on who does the traveling. It's more likely to get called on a person from the bench then a star. I have seen star players glide in from out of 3 point area carrying the ball the whol dame way and layup and never get called. One of the reasons I quit watching it.
This is true for almost every call in the NBA and part of what makes it nearly unwatchable. They seemingly randomly call fouls, travels, and everything else. There is zero consistency in the calls. There are missed calls in all the sports but the NBA is by far the most inconsistent and lacking of any sense.
most blatant of all was LeBron's last year, maybe the year before in the playoffs.
no one within 4 feet and he stumbled on his own and got a foul.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhn3LJum3mg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pYGtlTnWiE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AAM_mdNVek&feature=related
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Also depends on who does the traveling. It's more likely to get called on a person from the bench then a star. I have seen star players glide in from out of 3 point area carrying the ball the whol dame way and layup and never get called. One of the reasons I quit watching it.
This is true for almost every call in the NBA and part of what makes it nearly unwatchable. They seemingly randomly call fouls, travels, and everything else. There is zero consistency in the calls. There are missed calls in all the sports but the NBA is by far the most inconsistent and lacking of any sense.
Because it's really difficult to ref an NBA game. Everything happens really, really fast...can you comprehend that? Refs have to make 100 judgement calls every single game, how much contact should be allowed, how much should they call?
It might be the toughest sport to ref.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSZGCfKvlTI
#5 stands out
anyhow, 6 is a stretch, but 3 is very common.
I watched that, many of those were not travels. 6, 5, 4, and 2 (not positive here) were. In one he was dragging his pivot foot some. 2 was maybe not being a travel because if someone hits the ball making you lose control, your dribble resets. But he might've 'flopped' that loss of control.
What some people don't realize is that players can get an extra step in while gaining control of the ball (since traveling only starts counting after you have control), or on the last dribble (since the 2 step doesn't start counting until after you stop dribbling).
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NBA fans when one of their players gets contact: "Damn refs, that was a foul! Are you blind?"
NBA fans when their team is on defense "Aww come on refs, let em play! This game was so much better in the 90's!"
It's really hard for refs to balance between calling fouls correctly and letting them play/not ruining the flow of the game by calling too many weak fouls.
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Because it's really difficult to ref an NBA game. Everything happens really, really fast...can you comprehend that? Refs have to make 100 judgement calls every single game, how much contact should be allowed, how much should they call?
It might be the toughest sport to ref.
All professional sports are really fast and difficult to ref. The NBA refs just suck.
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No, the only sport that is even comparable to how hard the NBA is to ref would be the NFL...and thats only because there are so many more people on the field.
But things happen much more quickly in the NBA than the NFL, which is really a start/stop type of game.
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You try calling charges/blocking fouls correctly in real time, often the only difference is which way the players are leaning slightly. You try calling blocks correctly when often the only difference is a few inches between wrist and ball. Plus you have to realize that these players are much, much faster in real life than they appear on TV.
You think its easy because you watch the game on your TV with the benefit of replay.
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You try calling charges/blocking fouls correctly in real time, often the only difference is which way the players are leaning slightly. You try calling blocks correctly when often the only difference is a few inches between wrist and ball. Plus you have to realize that these players are much, much faster in real life than they appear on TV.
You think its easy because you watch the game on your TV with the benefit of replay.
None of which have anything to do with traveling. Why do you keep bringing them up when they are talking about traveling not being called?
When 1 ref's job is to watch the person with the ball, missing travels is completely retarded.
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I'm just trying to illustrate how it isn't easy to ref a live NBA game.
Imo the refs do fine calling travels. Sometimes they miss them but most of the time they catch them. Its the damn 3 second rule they need to do a better job on.
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Because it's really difficult to ref an NBA game. Everything happens really, really fast...can you comprehend that? Refs have to make 100 judgement calls every single game, how much contact should be allowed, how much should they call?
It might be the toughest sport to ref.
All professional sports are really fast and difficult to ref. The NBA refs just suck.
This.
The "stars" somehow manage to have the calls more often go their way.
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Now I've heard everything: "players are faster than on TV!"
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
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uh yes they are, did I say something wrong?
Have you ever seen a live NBA game in your life?
pssst...NBA players are also taller in real life than they appear on TV.
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In college, I played against several people who went on to play in the NBA. Some played in the pro leagues in Europe.
Before the NBA turned into the joke that it is today, I would catch 10 to 20 games a year in Milwaukee.
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Ok great, so you're blind or disingenuous then.
These players are blazing fast in real life, something the medium of TV does not accurately convey.
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Are you trolling or being purposely dense?
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When Ikk first started posting about basketball I got excited we may have some threads about it.
Now I just wish he'd stop.
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Sorry, reffing an NHL game would be 10 times harder than the NBA. That sport moves 10 times as fast as NBA. Hell a lot of time the cameramen lose sight of the puck.
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There's nowhere near the amount of contact in an NHL game, the only time there's contact is when players check eachother.
NBA game there's literally some amount of contact every 24 seconds, on every side of the court. Refs have to decide how much contact to allow and how much to blow the whistle on.
NHL is hella easy to ref compared to NFL or NBA.
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Not to mention you have a lot more players in the mix at one time in basketball, compared to Hockey. And a lot more contact is allowed in hockey, you just have to watch more for specific infractions.
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Gilligan.USCG posted:
When Ikk first started posting about basketball I got excited we may have some threads about it.
Now I just wish he'd stop.
Amen brother.
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Gilligan.USCG posted:
When Ikk first started posting about basketball I got excited we may have some threads about it.
Now I just wish he'd stop.
Can't stop, won't stop, Rocafella hustlaz come on
Every thread about basketball gets invaded by retarded Packers fans who ruin it, can't do anything about that.
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Mangler_SC posted:
Gilligan.USCG posted:
When Ikk first started posting about basketball I got excited we may have some threads about it.
Now I just wish he'd stop.
Amen brother.
Tell us more about how you used to watch the NBA in 1876 but now it sucks, you do it in every thread but I still can't get enough.
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ikkoikki posted:
There's nowhere near the amount of contact in an NHL game, the only time there's contact is when players check eachother.
NBA game there's literally some amount of contact every 24 seconds, on every side of the court. Refs have to decide how much contact to allow and how much to blow the whistle on.
NHL is hella easy to ref compared to NFL or NBA.
ROFL OMG there's no contact in an NHL game? wow you really are dense... and if NBA refs have such a hard time, maybe they need to call up some of the college and HS refs. They never seem to miss a traveling call.
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Did I say there's no contact in an NHL game? I could have sworn I didn't say that, and when I look again at my above post, I'm now 100% positive I didn't say that.
And I don't watch that boring crap they call HS/college basketball so I wouldn't know how good or bad the refs are.
I watch all 3 of the NHL, NBA and NFL, I think I'm unbiased on this. Hockey is easier to ref than NBA or NFL, I stand by my statement.
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you said there was more contact in basketball than there is in hockey... that's basically saying there is no contact in hockey. Do yourself a favor and watch ANY hockey game... even a pee wee game where all they do is fall down on the ice alot. You'll see WAY more contact in one period than you will in an entire NBA season.
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you said there was more contact in basketball than there is in hockey... that's basically saying there is no contact in hockey. Do yourself a favor and watch ANY hockey game... even a pee wee game where all they do is fall down on the ice alot. You'll see WAY more contact in one period than you will in an entire NBA season.
Saying there's more contact in the NBA than the NHL is nothing at all like saying there is no contact in NHL.
The contact is harder in the NHL, sure. But in the NBA the contact is more frequent not to mention more illegal, which means the refs have to be more vigilant about it.
I watch hockey all the time, thank you very much. I'm an eclectic sports fan.
Think about it, there is checking in the NHL all the time, but its usually a legal hit so the refs don't care about it. When do the NHL refs whistle a check? When its a boarding , or when there's a hack, a high stick or a trip. Its pretty infrequent.
In the NBA the refs have to whistle on slight wrist contact, on too much body contact, on trips, on too much contact on blocked shots, on charges vs defensive fouls, on push offs, on hooks, on hip checks, on over-the-backs, on pushes, they have to ignore flops, they have to whistle illegal screens. Its way more difficult. There is some sort of illegal contact almost every 24 seconds on both sides of the court. In hockey, you can sometimes go an entire 20 minutes without a single penalty being called!
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Did I just win this thread?
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No one has even mentioned baseball in this thread. Calling balls and strikes on a 90-100 mph pitch that moves.. calling a travel and charges is more difficult? GTFO.
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It's funny that you ask this question...
I watched about 5 mins of basketball the other day, the most of I've watched in the past 15 years or so, and the only penalty I saw called was a travel.
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travels are called all the time...don't try and judge a sport based on what you see in 5 minutes time. If that's the case, I could think that soccer is the most exciting sport there is if I'm lucky enough to turn it on just before a goal (which I have done MANY times).
NBA DOES have a lot more contact than NHL. Not harder contact, just plain ole contact. Any time a player near the goal gets the ball and are backing their way in, they've got the guy guarding them with his forearm/hand on his back the entire time and his other hand trying to swipe the ball as often as possible.
they're pretty good about travel calls, and yes, they don't call every foul...because if they did, teams would be shooting 50 foul shots every game and half the team would be fouling out (and don't pretend like it wasn't like that in the 90's, I watched in then too, they did the same stuff).
and I also watch all sports (tennis included which I happen to like a lot, and golf even occasionally)...so no, I'm not just a basketball fanboy either.
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I cant believe you tried to say reffing the NBA was harder than the NHL or NFL. Now thats funny.
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I cant believe you tried to say reffing the NBA was harder than the NHL or NFL. Now thats funny.
i know, how hard is it to collect a check from someone and blow calls for the duration of a game?
as far as contact goes...maybe compare NBA contact to Soccer contact...flopping is accepted in those sports.
not that i would call NBA's pelvic thrusting each other contact like i would two NHL players smashing into the boards.
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Hell I could be a NBA ref. Give me a list of the star players who never get calls against them is about all I'd need. I just make up crap as I go along just like the rest of the NBA refs. According to Ikk it doesnt matter if I eff up all the calls, its excusable because the game is OHHHH so fast.
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i dont think it's a speed of game thing, i think it's people have grown accustomed to stars getting calls and crappy officiating.
when games are rigged, rules are ignored, and violations called for nothing for so long it makes people give up on caring about the zebras.
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Don't walk...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTgivlTRDL4
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Don't walk...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTgivlTRDL4
HAHA thats funny.
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Successful troll is successful.
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Don't walk...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTgivlTRDL4
that's funny
but when you think about it, the NBA that prompted that is NOTHING like todays game
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Yeah, even worse now.
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An umpire behind home plate can determine whether a ball with a 9" circumference that travels 60'6" in half a second is a strike, but an NBA official cannot determine if a player travels or not?
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Wow, I'm embarrassed for ikk in this thread.
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Wow, I'm embarrassed for ikk in every thread.
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I hope Caledric learned a very valuable lesson in that 5 minutes!
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