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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/03/03/MN3Q1N9EV9.DTL
There are 18,000 married gay and lesbian couples in California and at least 131,000 nationwide according to the 2010 census, conducted before New York state legalized same-sex marriage in July.
Rick Santorum says he'll try to unmarry all of them if he's elected president.
 
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I hope he walks into a branch and loses an eye.
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And people wonder why Atheists are so vocal against religion..
It's people like this bag of vomit that is the most apt example of why religion is wrong.
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The problem isn't religion. The problem is that people think their opinions matter and that it's okay to impose on others. Just because you think something is right or best doesn't mean you have the right to force your ideas on me.
You're exactly the same with your socialism crap. I don't see any difference between Santorum telling people who they can marry and you telling people they have to participate in government run healthcare.
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You're exactly the same with your socialism crap. I don't see any difference between Santorum telling people who they can marry and you telling people they have to participate in government run healthcare.
That's because you're retarded.
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The problem isn't religion. The problem is that people think their opinions matter and that it's okay to impose on others. Just because you think something is right or best doesn't mean you have the right to force your ideas on me.
You're exactly the same with your socialism crap. I don't see any difference between Santorum telling people who they can marry and you telling people they have to participate in government run healthcare.
I think most liberals have the inverse view of healthcare - not that everyone should be forced to participate, but that everyone should have the opportunity to be able to do so.
And I agree that the problem isn't specifically religion, it's in how people apply their opinions in their view of others that causes problems. Unfortunately, this (from my experience) has tended to stem from the most vigorously religious people, because they're told to 'spread the word' and 'save the souls' of everyone else - i.e. convert everyone they know to their religion. Unfortunately, most people tend to take that as 'YOU MUST SEE AS I SEE, BELIEVE AS I BELIEVE' above all else.
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It's amazing that someone like him can get this far into a Presidential race. It speaks volumes by a good % of our country who actually support and vote for this guy in primaries
I am thinking he carries a lot of the "old vote"
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I think that people should get more rights over time not less. It hurt nobody allowing gays to marry, nobody
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I think that people should get more rights over time not less. It hurt nobody allowing gays to marry, nobody
Exactly.
I work with a few extremely conservative people. One of them is a woman who believes gays shouldn't be allowed to marry because it's in the Bible that sodomy is instant hell-bound status.
I keep quiet, wondering to myself why it bothers anyone that someone else marries someone of the same sex. You can't police everyone's actions to make sure they don't go to hell...besides, I was under the impression that sort of defeated the purpose of hell etc. in the first place.
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Even if the Bible says that where does it say you need to make a societical law against that?
THere is a separation of church and state for a reason. Santorum is against this even if its in teh constitutions lol
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The problem isn't religion. The problem is that people think their opinions matter and that it's okay to impose on others. Just because you think something is right or best doesn't mean you have the right to force your ideas on me.
You're exactly the same with your socialism crap. I don't see any difference between Santorum telling people who they can marry and you telling people they have to participate in government run healthcare.
Actually not, Religion shelters bigots like him and it raises bigots like him it's systematic.
People don't have to participate, they are free to leave the nation whenever they like.. In a democracy the majority rules I know you Paulbots wants the vocal small minority of Libertardian ubermenchen to rule.. It's just not the way here Swedes like the system we have and it works and that really buggs you that Sweden with all it's Socialism actually trumps the US in everything that matters and why, because your free market, no regulations lunacy went to far. And you want to take it even further..
I'm very pragmatic about socialism I do not support unnecessary gov control, I do however support the things that work. You're however so entrenched that you can only repeat your mantra, in many ways you and Santorum are the same you both have that unthinking stubborn stupid idealism that just infuses every fiber of your wretched little being.
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Even if the Bible says that where does it say you need to make a societical law against that?
THere is a separation of church and state for a reason. Santorum is against this even if its in teh constitutions lol
Of course, I agree - just stating her point of view there, along with my reaction.
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And people wonder why Atheists are so vocal against religion..
Stop. There are a lot of religious people that favor gay marriage. Atheists don't have a monopoly on this. Not even close. This isn't about religion. Its about morons(fundies) corrupting religion like all fundies do.
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The thing is people like Mammogram want to discriminate against religious people which is equally bad. You become what you hate
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The problem isn't religion. The problem is that people think their opinions matter and that it's okay to impose on others. Just because you think something is right or best doesn't mean you have the right to force your ideas on me. You're exactly the same with your socialism crap. I don't see any difference between Santorum telling people who they can marry and you telling people they have to participate in government run healthcare.
Paul is spot on.
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This is a man who knows he won't win the office. No serious contender makes claims that appeal to so few. Yes, they all make the promises that they think the need to, and probably even plan to try and deliver some of them but ultimately it's a popularity contest.
A man who says something like this is one of two things;
1) A man who knows the closest he will ever get to the Oval Office is a White House guided tour. This is a man whose using the bully pulpit while he has it. Or
2) A true zealot who doesn't know any better, or doesn't care.
Either way he'll never be elected. Only the rabidly religious or the rabidly homophobic will rise to that tune.
Romney's a joke too. You can get elected in this country if you are Daddy Warbucks, but only if you have the good sense and/or ability to play it down. Bush was rich as hell but he came off like some redneck simpleton. Romney comes off like a solid gold shark.
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And people wonder why Atheists are so vocal against religion..
Stop. There are a lot of religious people that favor gay marriage. Atheists don't have a monopoly on this. Not even close. This isn't about religion. Its about morons(fundies) corrupting religion like all fundies do.
There is a majority of religious people in the world who don't, many of whom would happily murder a gay person.. Or a person who does not share their faith.
Religion should be treated as any extreme political ideology that is harmful to humanity.
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The thing is people like Mammogram want to discriminate against religious people which is equally bad. You become what you hate
Nope, I'm for freedom of religion it's the same principle that gives me the right to be an atheist why would I want to take that away, if you become so butthurt by my words you should probably ignore me.. I know you people like to martyr yourself and cry to the world about how militant and violent atheists are but I'm really just questioning your ideals and you notions how of how the world is, though luck democracy means you might get your feelings hurt from time to time.
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So much for "states rights".
Something the "conservatives" love to crow about, but are also always ready to forget about when a state dares do something they aren't in favor of.
Hypocritical, laying little shit bags. Every one of them.
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There is a majority of religious people in the world who don't, many of whom would happily murder a gay person.. Or a person who does not share their faith.
Bullshit.
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Militant atheists think its ok to discriminate against religious people. They are just as bad as militant religious people. Two peas in a pod. Both want to enforce their will on others.
I'm becoming more and more libertarian over time.
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I think most liberals have the inverse view of healthcare - not that everyone should be forced to participate, but that everyone should have the opportunity to be able to do so.
Liberals don't force people to participate in social programs. Libtards do.
The Democrats could easily pass universal healthcare today if they just made it a purely voluntary program funded by participants. Republicans wouldn't stand in their way.
Democrats won't though because they only want it if they can force it on everyone. This proves that their priority is not the availability of such a program, but rather the ability to control through force.
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Liberals and communists are federalists all for an extra strong federal government
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I know you Paulbots wants the vocal small minority of Libertardian ubermenchen to rule.
If libertarians were in charge, socialists would have more opportunity to be socialist than they do today.
We'd make room for the socialists and the anarchists alike. This is why we are the true liberals and you guys are libtards.
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Religious militancy, political extremism, scientific pontification. they are all the same.
It doesn't matter which of those tools you wield, in the hands of an authoritarian fascist they will be used to impose their will upon others.
People should be allowed to live a satisfying and law abiding life without having an over reaching government intrude on them long term.
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I think that people should get more rights over time not less. It hurt nobody allowing gays to marry, nobody
You're wrong, as usual
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as do I. Now if only Ron Paul would step to the plate.
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People don't have to participate, they are free to leave the nation whenever they like.
Your right, in that case the gays can leave and go to canada where its legal, renounce their american citizenship and stay there were the gays are happy. We can use our rights, and they can use their right to leave as well. It swings both ways. One can only hope the doors hits them on the butt on the way over there, but they might like it.
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Ron Paul isn't even trying.
I will admit that I thought he was at first, but he refuses to keep his mouth shut on certain issues for one, then skipping states like Florida?
No, he's not serious about being President, not at all. He would rather continue trying his best to play the martyr role kept down by the machine.
Its ashame that his few solid ideas will get washed away with the rest of his crazy.
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Yeah it seems like he isn't trying. Its a shame.
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There is a majority of religious people in the world who don't, many of whom would happily murder a gay person.. Or a person who does not share their faith.
Bullshit.
Try being openly gay in Sudan or Iran.. Or why not in Uganda a Christian country the Christians there are currently working on extending the illegality of being gay there to include the death penalty.
Just because your local brand of religion is currently acting civilized does not mean it won't turn on you down the road, people actually vote for Santorum he's actually still a candidate to become the leader of your country and you don't see that this kind of religious zealotry isn't a problem in your country.
This is a systemic problem that every religion has, because religion is wide open to give crazies the moral right to believe as they do and act as they do because the scripture was written by cavemen and it can be interpreted in any number of ways.
So it's not bullshit.
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Militant atheists think its ok to discriminate against religious people. They are just as bad as militant religious people. Two peas in a pod. Both want to enforce their will on others.
I'm becoming more and more libertarian over time.
Have I ever said that you should not be allowed to worship? Are you really this retarded bonk? My dad is a believer and I have an aunt whose ordained you think I'd actually want to limit their freedoms just because I don't agree with them?
You're such a bitter ugly little man at times, it's really sad.
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I know you Paulbots wants the vocal small minority of Libertardian ubermenchen to rule.
If libertarians were in charge, socialists would have more opportunity to be socialist than they do today.
We'd make room for the socialists and the anarchists alike. This is why we are the true liberals and you guys are libtards.
That would last for about 10 minutes until the whole mess just turns into a orgy of genocide and blood..
Your ideals is a pipedream.
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Killing a gay person is never justifiable. And the people killing them are not acting as Christians. I would dare say that they aren't even Christians but using the scriptures to justify abusing others. The scriptures are clear, we are to love the sinner but never advocate the wrong they do. We are to hate even the clothing stained by sin. Not kill the sinner because if that were the case everyone would be dead because ALL are sinners.
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When I was in service in my early years, one of the friday night activities for a few of the troops was going into town to get drunk and look for gays to beat up.
They did this a couple times a month.
There was nothing religious about these assholes.
Intolerance comes in all forms, religion being one of them. Absence of religion doesn't have a better chance of making someone better than an asshole.
In my experiences and travels the areas where religious freedom was allowed were far superior to where it wasn't.
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I agree. In my time in the military guys hated gays, we wouldn't beat them up, but we wouldn't be caught dead anywhere around them. They wouldn't be included in anything we did willingly. But the whole dont ask dont tell rule applied then. Glad I'm out now. Sucks to see what our military is becoming.
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blah blah blah
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and more blah blah blah
The moment a Muslim happens to fart in the general direction of a white person the both of you will be screaming about what savages they are and how evil Islam is..
You're both hypocrites and idiots.
Open any history book that wasn't written by a fundamentalist and you can see what Religion has brought upon man.. Endless horror, persecution and blood.
And it's a cycle that just keeps repeating itself, different religions same mess. Right now most of the religious violence is wrought by Muslims lo and behold it wasn't always so.
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I agree. In my time in the military guys hated gays, we wouldn't beat them up, but we wouldn't be caught dead anywhere around them. They wouldn't be included in anything we did willingly. But the whole dont ask dont tell rule applied then. Glad I'm out now. Sucks to see what our military is becoming.
Why are you so afraid of gay people? Are they violent and physically superior to you or something?
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Not afraid, I think its disgusting myself.
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Not afraid, I think its disgusting myself.
So you don't want to be near them, so you're scared? Feelings of hate towards people different then you stem from fear.
Why are you disgusted with gay people? do they smell funny or do they touch you without permission?
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Not afraid, I think its disgusting myself.
I think eating bugs is disgusting myself.
I won't stop my neighbor from eating bugs. He or she is free to do WTF ever he/she wants (as far as eating bugs goes), because I'm not directly involved in it.
Amazingly, I feel the same way about gays. My neighbor wants to have a gay orgy in his basement? Fine with me, so long as it doesn't get loud enough to wake me up at night. What he does is his business, not mine.
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Not afraid, I think its disgusting myself.
So you don't want to be near them, so you're scared?
He is probably a closet homosexual. Most of these types are. He probably thinks about what they do behind closed doors and it turns him on. He hates himself for it. It's classic.
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No one touches me. Aside from my wife and kids. I'm not the kind of guy that takes easy to people putting their hands on me, even in a playful manner. Just how I am.
I dont fear anyone. I stay away from people that have twisted minds. I dont belong with them. I know where I belong and stay where I belong. I dont call wrong good and good wrong, and I wont endorse their actions by being among them and seeing what they do. I will call it what it is, regardless of what they feel about it or their relationship to me or anyone else.
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Tick can you morph into someone with something original to say? Your commentary is extremely outdated. I would think that a thinker would be able to come up with some unique sayings.
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No one touches me. Aside from my wife and kids. I'm not the kind of guy that takes easy to people putting their hands on me, even in a playful manner. Just how I am.
I dont fear anyone. I stay away from people that have twisted minds. I dont belong with them. I know where I belong and stay where I belong. I dont call wrong good and good wrong, and I wont endorse their actions by being among them and seeing what they do. I will call it what it is, regardless of what they feel about it or their relationship to me or anyone else.
what a rambling mess that was, so they scare you that much?
What is it with them that you find so revolting? Can you put your finger on it, have you been ill treated by a gay person or have you been sexually abused as a minor?
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Not afraid, I think its disgusting myself.
So you don't want to be near them, so you're scared?
He is probably a closet homosexual. Most of these types are. He probably thinks about what they do behind closed doors and it turns him on. He hates himself for it. It's classic.
Funny how the resident religious fundamentalist hates gay people what a shocker.. It's almost like it's a common theme among religious people. 
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whatever you say, you hate us, we hate you, nothing new here. But your justified in your hatred.... while were not. Its one big hypocrisy.
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Tick can you morph into someone with something original to say? Your commentary is extremely outdated. I would think that a thinker would be able to come up with some unique sayings.
 Coming from a guy that believes the bible word for word! Thats rich.
I just call them like I see them. Sometimes I hit close to him. I read people very well and you aren't hard to read.
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Tick can you morph into someone with something original to say? Your commentary is extremely outdated. I would think that a thinker would be able to come up with some unique sayings.
It's a stereotype, and a fair amount of stereotypes exist for a reason.
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True. They exist on both sides too.
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whatever you say, you hate us, we hate you, nothing new here. But your justified in your hatred.... while were not. Its one big hypocrisy.
I don't hate you Macara, I don't waste such valuable energy on lessers..
I don't hate religious people either, I feel sad for them at times.. And I do love some very fine people who happen to be religious.
That you can't explain why you arbitrarily hate a large group of people just shows what a unintelligent, uneducated little twerp you are. It's like a 5 year old who hates veggies..
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whatever you say, you hate us, we hate you, nothing new here. But your justified in your hatred.... while were not. Its one big hypocrisy.
I don't hate you, but I think you're hopelessly confused, and I think it's sad. Sexuality is a very small part of who people are, but I think you're the type of person who would reverse friendships and possibly even kinship based on it. There's a reason I don't let certain people know still.
I like the twisted part though, I was just being told the other day how I need to be rowdier and meaner.
Edit: PS, if you were in the military, I bet you've associated with at least a couple gay people and were none the wiser.
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That you can't explain why you arbitrarily hate a large group of people just shows what a unintelligent, uneducated little twerp you are. It's like a 5 year old who hates veggies..
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I still hate some veggies yes. Like cauliflower that has the texture of a wart and broccoli. Unless its steamed to mush. Spinach if it isnt cooked the way I like it. Umm, beets I cant stand, tomatoes. Meh, like everyone have my own tastes.
Azure I'm sure many here would agree. But I dont hate you. But I disagree with your actions and I wont compromise on the issue either biblically or for conscious sake.
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That you can't explain why you arbitrarily hate a large group of people just shows what a unintelligent, uneducated little twerp you are. It's like a 5 year old who hates veggies..
This.
He's operating on a combination of Mexican 'machismo' and Catholic bullshit. Both are a combination for complete stupidity.
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I am mexican but have never been, nor will ever be or believe in Catholicism.
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I'm not asking you to compromise anything, that's the part I think you and people like you don't get.
In fact, in real life, if I knew you, I would probably do my darnedest to make sure you never knew.
It's disappointing you feel the need to disagree with who I'm mentally attracted to, and if I could harness and control those thoughts and be attracted to whomever I wanted, I so would. It doesn't seem to work that way though, at least not so far. However, I'm not just going to live a life of repression and celibacy which can be somewhat mentally scarring and debilitating, because you say a book which was voted in a couple millenia ago by people who, by the words of that very book, have complete free will, is the absolute truth. For one, we wouldn't see homosexuality in nature (which supposedly has no free will, and is perfect), but it occurs quite frequently.
And before someone says it's all about pleasure, I'd disagree - it's not about living however you want, just doing as you please. It's about living a healthy and balanced life, where you do good by yourself, your neighbors, your community, and your world.
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Oh and I can do this too....
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I am mexican but have never been, nor will ever be or believe in Catholicism.
They aren't christians either right?
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I am mexican but have never been, nor will ever be or believe in Catholicism.
You might as well be Catholic, and you are obviously completely infected with lame mexican machismo. Machismo individuals are always poor, stupid, ignorant, and completely bigoted.
There is one blessing in the coverage Santorum is getting; he's ugly, and I believe that it's quite obvious to most everyone that he is ugly. This is especially true with the young. Young people are leaving the church in droves and will continue to do so, and assholes like Santorum - and Mastara - are part of the reason. No one wants to be like them.
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Well the difference between nature and us as humans is that we are not animals. We are humans created in the image of God. And I dont want to change you. Its not my place or want to change you. But I will call an action what it is and even more so if the bible agrees with me. But rest assured simply because your homosexual doesn't mean I hate you. I dont. Regardless of what people here say it doesn't make it true. Id call someone cheating on his wife an adulterer, or a rapist a rapist, a thief a thief. It comes down to action. We choose our actions. They dont choose us. We can make the nature claim all day long but when it comes down to it your responsible for your own actions. All of us are. You and I are no different and no one forces us to do anything. You are who you want to be or who you think you should be. Why, I dont know. I dont claim to know. I dont believe people are born gay, or any other propaganda that says otherwise. Now the bible says we will all stand before god and give an account and no one can answer for us and no one is going to bs God. We will give an account of everything we've done. I dont wish anyone to stand before him and be condemned because they thought what they were doing was right when God says it wasn't and nothing is unforgivable except the complete denial of the one that God sent to this earth to die for us. So I will speak out, like the apostles if you choose to view it that way. I dont mind ridicule or people hating me or not liking me, but it wont change me. If I stay silent then I'm basically calling Gods word a liar and I'm basically agreeing with what they are doing. I cannot be that person. That doesn't mean I hate you in any way. Believe that. I dont know you from adam, but I know that I dont hate you. The rest of these people here have no bearing on what I'm saying here. I wont reverse my beliefs because they can see what I'm posting to you. Ill say the same thing openly or in private on this issue. I believe people stay where they want to stay or where they feel comfortable staying. Now personally I've done wrong. More than I would ever admit. Never anything homosexual, but I have had sex before I was married, I have cheated and I've been cheated on. I too will answer for my wrongs. Just as you. But the same God that loves me loves you. The same God that died for me died for you. Know that. Sin regardless of the action is sin. It doesn't go away on its own and our society doesn't help in this effort either. But your a man and I am a man, we can choose our own path. God made it this way. Its all up to you, like it is all up to me. To choose the way we want to live now. But know the way we choose to live now, will show the way we will live for eternity. Politics decide how we live on earth and religion determines how we live forever. If you want to carry this conversation farther please feel free to pm me. I have no issues talking to you man to man. Any man or woman for that matter. Regardless of what people here think I care for all of you. My attitude at the time says otherwise but its hard to convey feelings and tone over words in a chat forum.
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Well the difference between nature and us as humans is that we are not animals.
Actually - we are.
Christ, religious people are stupid.
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Paragraph. It is "paragraph."
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You need some religion in paragraphs.
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I will disagree.
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Jesus christ what a moron. You are am embarrassment to religious people everywhere.
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"You form your opinion of God from the account given of Him in the Bible; and I form my opinion of the Bible from the wisdom and goodness of God manifested in the structure of the universe, and in all works of creation. The result in these two cases will be, that you, by taking the Bible for your standard, will have a bad opinion of God; and I, by taking God for my standard, shall have a bad opinion of the Bible."
I don't believe in a God that could have petty human emotions of hate and jealousy. The Bible is not my standard, please don't preach it to me.
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Mastara posted:
Well the difference between nature and us as humans is that we are not animals.
Actually - we are.
This.
We are what happens when apes evolve into something more intelligent and less reliant on brute strength.
More tools, less force, more intellect, speech, discussion...oh, and significantly less hair.
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Sorry buttercup, you find homosexual acts all the time in Nature everything from vultures, to chimps to dolphins.
It's as natural as rain just not as common, you're just justifying your hate with this outdated nonsense you found in a book that you were probably handed at an young age.
You're a unthinking, uneducated moron.. And I hope at least one of your children turn out gay, it would teach you a valuable lesson.. Unless you kill the poor kid.
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Well think of it this way, if You created everything that is, the people, space, animals and the earth and 99% chose to ignore you and say you didnt exist or did everything but what you said, I'm sure you would feel likewise. There is only one God, any other God was created by man, and they aren't gods at all.
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Well think of it this way, if You created everything that is, the people, space, animals and the earth and 99% chose to ignore you and say you didnt exist or did everything but what you said, I'm sure you would feel likewise. There is only one God, any other God was created by man, and they aren't gods at all.
If I had the power to do all that, I imagine I would feel similar to how people do with ant farms.
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Well think of it this way, if You created everything that is, the people, space, animals and the earth and 99% chose to ignore you and say you didnt exist or did everything but what you said, I'm sure you would feel likewise. There is only one God, any other God was created by man, and they aren't gods at all.
Well god does not exist, there isn't any proof of him existing.. I have yet to see any of you religious people provide any real evidence.
And the burden of proof is on you, you seem very sure about your thing could you point out god to me maybe give me him his skype account or something?
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So can we let the gay people marry yet?
What is the final decision?
Mastara you ok with this?
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Who should care if gay people marry or not? Also if a gay person ever makes a pass at you just tell him no you arent gay. Simple
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Whether folks agree or disagree or are indifferent to gay marriage, Santorum is catering to an extreme view that has 0 chance of winning the general election. I'm personally not fond of Obama (voted for him in 08) but there's no way in hell I'd vote for Santorum.
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Well the difference between nature and us as humans is that we are not animals.
What a effing retard...
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We are humans created in the image of God.
What a delusional nutbag
And because you believe these two clearly idiotic things, you think that gives you the right to reign supreme over everyone...
What a epic douche.
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I am mexican but have never been, nor will ever be or believe in Catholicism.
Interesting position from someone who claims to be a Christian.
So what, you're one of those fringe offshoots of the Apostolic Church? Your folks left and invented a new religion that you decided to call Christianity too, because it's a catchy name or something? Or maybe because the fringe founders had some delusions that they knew "the truth" better than the Church?
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Mastboro is an idiot, but not for that reason eager. That is simply human nature and its no different than most every other topic/subject.
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It's fascinating and rather awesome to see a dog pile on an extreme social conservative; it's quite obvious that Mastara's belief system is truly dying out.
I bet it will be regulated to only the most and rare extreme nutbags in another 20 years or so, give or take.
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Religion isn't going anywhere anytime soon, just the shifts and flows in popularity over time ofcourse.
The extremes of both sides are stomped on hard, this keeps them as definition of extreme and prevents them from being the norm/mainstream.
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I'm still amazed conservatives dont like birth control. They also dont like sex education taught in schools either.
/boggle
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The right is mentally handicapped the way they think about contraceptives. It is retarded and dishonest.
The left is mentally handicapped the way they think about abortion. It is retarded and dishonest.
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Mastboro is an idiot, but not for that reason eager. That is simply human nature and its no different than most every other topic/subject.
I'm vaguely familiar. I've moved on to mocked Mascara because every effort to actually debate ends with Mascara disappearing when confronted with facts inconvenient to 'his' faith based arguments.
Also, paragraphs and formating might lead me to read more of 'his' /stupid for entertainment value.
And I am interested in proponents of Santorum's position speaking out on the national scene. This would also make a great GOP debate topic. It could be a question either before or after questions regarding whether use of birth control equates with sexual promiscuity and whether birth control shouldn't be withheld because it violates God's order.
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There was a link that Groucho posted awhile back that I thanked him for. A month ago maybe? Anyways it was the transcript of Santorum speaking to some catholic university alumni a few years ago. Reading thru that would actually support Mastboro being at odds with Catholicism, as Santorum didn't mince words and clearly drew a religious line in the sand about Catholics being the true religion and everyone else being pretenders, specifically including in that other denominations of Christianity, and specifically blaming many of the woes of the U.S. on the founding fathers for not being Catholic.
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http://video.msnbc.msn.com/nightly-news/45829898#45829898
I think i have to agree with him.
Civil Unions recognized by the federal government that would give same sex couples the same rights as currently married couples enjoy, along with the obligations and responsibilities associated with marriage is the right answer.
Watch the video and listen to what he is saying, try not to get stuck on the word marriage and you will see his point.
The San Francisco Chronicle article takes what he said out of context to as per usual.
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The u.s. is unique amongst developed nations in that levels of "religiousness" don't drop as levels of education rise.
I expect religious parroting and idiocy from our uneducated citizens, and am frightened by it when it comes from those who should know better.
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Because the U.S. of all places has ascended to tolerance for the most part. 'should know better' comes from people that aren't quite there yet.
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http://video.msnbc.msn.com/nightly-news/45829898#45829898
I think i have to agree with him.
Civil Unions recognized by the federal government that would give same sex couples the same rights as currently married couples enjoy, along with the obligations and responsibilities associated with marriage is the right answer.
Watch the video and listen to what he is saying, try not to get stuck on the word marriage and you will see his point.
The San Francisco Chronicle article takes what he said out of context to as per usual.
No, it is dumb to play "separate but equal" games with calling some stuff civil unions and other stuff marriages. Christians do not have ownership of the word "marriage". Plus, everyone is going to end up calling it marriage anyways regardless of what the legal term for stuff is.
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No, it is dumb to play "separate but equal" games with calling some stuff civil unions and other stuff marriages. Christians do not have ownership of the word "marriage"
Exactly. It's just a stupid word. Let them just get plain old "married" and be done with it.
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No, it is dumb to play "separate but equal" games with calling some stuff civil unions and other stuff marriages. Christians do not have ownership of the word "marriage"
Exactly. It's just a stupid word. Let them just get plain old "married" and be done with it.
This. Why are people so butthurt over the use of the word 'marriage' to describe homosexuals living under the same quasi-contractual relationship they do?
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Sezyrrith posted:
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No, it is dumb to play "separate but equal" games with calling some stuff civil unions and other stuff marriages. Christians do not have ownership of the word "marriage"
Exactly. It's just a stupid word. Let them just get plain old "married" and be done with it.
This. Why are people so butthurt over the use of the word 'marriage' to describe homosexuals living under the same quasi-contractual relationship they do?
Religious people are bigoted and get all ARGHELBARGH about the "sanctity of marriage"
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Ya you should get over yourselves, it is just a word, civil union works just fine
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Ya you should get over yourselves, it is just a word, civil union works just fine
Yep, sure. Separate but equal, right? Worked so well, last time.
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the government should nullify all marriages and just recognise civil unions for legal puposes.
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Religion isn't going anywhere anytime soon, just the shifts and flows in popularity over time ofcourse.
The extremes of both sides are stomped on hard, this keeps them as definition of extreme and prevents them from being the norm/mainstream.
I personally recognize that the harms of science have been far out weighed by it's positives.
Where as the goods of the church have been far out weighted by it's negatives.
I am talking in measurable impact over recorded history - that is my context.
By in large, I honestly feel that as a species, we are at the point where we can finally recognize the absurdity of a singular creator deity.
However - lets consider this.
If there is a singular creator deity, we all have to come to some kind of compromise - and agree about wtf is going on.
If there isn't, we all have to move past this and be the best we can be as a part of this universe and make our impact in the most influential way we can and in the most peaceful way we can given our existence and understanding as a species.
Until we get to the point of having this conversion, at this level, and in this context - we are all just jacking each other off and trying not to feel guilty about it.
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People like Santorum are the reason why you guys are in no position to judge radical muslims
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Why not? We judge Santorum too.
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Masboro suffers badly from an all too common human condition: Cowardice.
He much yearns to be a full-on, lets call it douche, but isn't man enough so he does the usual in religious circles, hides behind the Bible.
"Hey guys it's not my word or my responsability - it's right here in this err book, so there!"
Of course stuffing your mind with any kind of literature without processing it almost always turns out badly...
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