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Since I don't know any of you, personally, nor do I give a rats ass about exposing this-or-that...
Don't know if anyone remembers "Isn't $1,500 quite a bit for Christmas?" post, but come to find out my brother-in-law was writing himself checks out of my grandmother's checking book.
This isn't new. Starting in August, we had a hunch that my brother-in-law was stealing for as long as 2 years. For over 2 years we've had as little as $10 missing to as much as $700 missing at a time from the house. Of course, we thought about it but all we could do was scratch our heads and wonder because you wouldn't suspect a family member - well, in legality terms.
Even though we were catching-on to his thieving in August, we couldn't blatantly come out and tell him hes a thief - needed evidence - and it finally came in early January when he wrote a $400 check to himself out of my grandmother's checking book. My aunt saw it when she was doing my grandmother's finances.
Rewind to Christmas of 2010 (a little more than a year ago) and things are starting to make more sense. My brother-in-law got a $1,500 CASH bonus from work. My grandmother was missing $1,500 CASH she planned on giving to family & friends for Christmas. She was so upset that she was balling her eyes out while combing through her house for the cash. Wonder where it went?! (rhetorical question)
Fast-forward to now - my sister had a minor altercation with him for 2 weeks after she discovered he was stealing, but is now back with him. My brother-in-law sought therapy and his shrink made him believe that his thieving was to due to his childhood and depression. He stopped talking to his brothers because his shrink made him believe that his family were to blame. How disgusting is that? That made us even more pissed. He sent us all letters through the mail; we pissed on them and threw 'em out. He was able to reconcile with my grandmother because she doesn't want any fighting, period, but he will never be forgiven by my mother, brother, sister, step-dad, and myself.
There's more to the story, but that's the gist of it! We sure do get the winners!! hahaha
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No drugs involved. We believe this is a new kind of 'disease' - the 'I need the next best thing to impress' disease. That $400 check he wrote to himself went to my sister's birthday present. For that iPad 3 or 4. Whatever the new generation is.
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its all your fault
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its all your fault
I'm gonna go see a shrink!!
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Kid I hate to say it but after 3 years worth of psych and child development classes, most psychological issues stem from childhood issues that haven't been resolved, just repressed.
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it might be due to childhood issues, but those issues are HIS and the rest of his family isn't to BLAME for things he has trouble overcoming. My sister blames everyone else in our family for her problems, even though she is the cause of it all... so I get what kid is talking about... the shrink be it directly or indirectly is allowing this guy to justify his behavior by blaming other people for it.
Sorry to say, but only YOU are responsible for your own actions, regardless of your past.
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it might be due to childhood issues, but those issues are HIS and the rest of his family isn't to BLAME for things he has trouble overcoming. My sister blames everyone else in our family for her problems, even though she is the cause of it all... so I get what kid is talking about... the shrink be it directly or indirectly is allowing this guy to justify his behavior by blaming other people for it.
Sorry to say, but only YOU are responsible for your own actions, regardless of your past.
do you have any formal psych training?
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Sith_Mauler posted:
Jezza_Belle posted:
it might be due to childhood issues, but those issues are HIS and the rest of his family isn't to BLAME for things he has trouble overcoming. My sister blames everyone else in our family for her problems, even though she is the cause of it all... so I get what kid is talking about... the shrink be it directly or indirectly is allowing this guy to justify his behavior by blaming other people for it.
Sorry to say, but only YOU are responsible for your own actions, regardless of your past.
do you have any formal psych training?
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he is an adult now. time to outgrow childish things. time to be responsible for his own actions now.
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Jezza_Belle posted:
Sith_Mauler posted:
Jezza_Belle posted:
it might be due to childhood issues, but those issues are HIS and the rest of his family isn't to BLAME for things he has trouble overcoming. My sister blames everyone else in our family for her problems, even though she is the cause of it all... so I get what kid is talking about... the shrink be it directly or indirectly is allowing this guy to justify his behavior by blaming other people for it.
Sorry to say, but only YOU are responsible for your own actions, regardless of your past.
do you have any formal psych training?
Yes
does it involve any jr or sr level classes, or you using your intro to psych class as your base for knowledge on the subject.
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I think there are a lot of people in the upcoming generations that are going to need a lot of "suck it up buttercup" life lessons.
Too many people think the world revolves around them because their parents did.
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Kid I hate to say it but after 3 years worth of psych and child development classes, most psychological issues stem from childhood issues that haven't been resolved, just repressed.
Very true. And now that's hes blowing off his family's side - how does that make things right? That psych hes seeing is a f***ing tard. He should be sending his pity letters to them, not us.
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I would have just called the police and had him thrown in the clink.
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I would have just called the police and had him thrown in the clink.
We were hoping my grandmother would call for the police for fraudulent checks, but shes trying to play peacekeeper. Understandable. We can't call police for theft because it was over the coarse of 2 years. And we wouldn't have proof, though, we know it was him.
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In Game of Thrones, they would cut his head off.
You should do the same.
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Grandma isnt playing peacekeeper, shes playing enabler.
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What a giant crock, even psychology is getting into "blame someone else, anyone, but the person who's doing bad things."
JFC, personal responsibility is not even nonexistent, it's being diagnosed away now, too.
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In his letter to my step-father, which was obviously suggested by the shrink, he said he thinks of my step-father as his dad, despite a 6 year age difference, and he wished he could watch sports with him every Sunday - which he had 10 years to do LOL
Yeah, the psychologist made things worse. Plus, I never heard of a psychologist for kleptomania. And then being diagnosed with depression.
Now that he has my sister back, I doubt hes still seeking the psychologist. We haven't talked to him in over 2 months, so, I wouldn't know. And we don't speak his name around my sister. Their kids know all about this, too, and they're not too upset. They know we hate their dad and hes not allowed over the house anymore.
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In Game of Thrones, they would cut his head off.
You should do the same.
This works too.
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why would your sister deal with this thief???? makes no sense. should be shot for stealing from family. stealing from strangers is one thing, but stealing from family thats just low.
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That doesn't sound like kleptomania.
And while the therapist may be terrible, I don't know why that's the first conclusion to jump to rather than thinking maybe the jackass who steals from his grandmother has convoluted the situation.
There's a difference between "You have childhood issues which you're dealing with through theft. Let's talk about that so you're aware of why you're doing these terrible things, when you're most susceptible, and how you can better control your behavior"
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"Your family is to blame. They MADE you steal. Don't talk to them anymore!"
I'd gamble he was told the former and twisted it to the latter to avoid feeling like the f--k up that he is...
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kleptomaniacs are probably also liars. doubt his therapist are saying anything like that at all, just making !@# to fool your sister.
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how old is grandma?
you better watch it cause when you do report it, granny will get a guardian on that money and you will never see it again.
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A nursing home I worked at had a klepto patient. She was hilarious. Sneaking in rooms and stealing stuff like teeth. 
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we pissed on them and threw 'em out.
Which Korn song is this from?
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[quote=Jezza_Belle]it might be due to childhood issues, but those issues are HIS and the rest of his family isn't to BLAME for things he has trouble overcoming. My sister blames everyone else in our family for her problems, even though she is the cause of it all... so I get what kid is talking about... the shrink be it directly or indirectly is allowing this guy to justify his behavior by blaming other people for it.
Sorry to say, but only YOU are responsible for your own actions, regardless of your past.
do you have any formal psych training?
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does it involve any jr or sr level classes, or you using your intro to psych class as your base for knowledge on the subject.[/quote]
Sith you work at a BBQ join, you aren't a shrink either. Stop trying to act like you are somehow better then Jezza, you aren't
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why would your sister deal with this thief???? makes no sense. should be shot for stealing from family. stealing from strangers is one thing, but stealing from family thats just low.
Shes lazy like most Americans. I could never imagine my sister becoming a single mom. We all knew she would forgive him, but we didn't think it'd be so fast. Maybe a few month or two, yeah, but 2 weeks was fast.
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I used to steal stuff I didn't need in High School. Never got caught but realized someday I would be no matter how clever I am. Still feel the urge though I just jerk off in the ladies room instead.
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klepto. just another name for a thief.
needs to go to jail.
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That doesn't sound like kleptomania.
And while the therapist may be terrible, I don't know why that's the first conclusion to jump to rather than thinking maybe the jackass who steals from his grandmother has convoluted the situation.
There's a difference between "You have childhood issues which you're dealing with through theft. Let's talk about that so you're aware of why you're doing these terrible things, when you're most susceptible, and how you can better control your behavior"
and
"Your family is to blame. They MADE you steal. Don't talk to them anymore!"
I'd gamble he was told the former and twisted it to the latter to avoid feeling like the f--k up that he is...
I think part of it stems from my sister - she doesn't like my brother-in-law's side of the family, so, she essentially turned him against them, though, I'm sure his childhood wasn't perfect, which made him an easy push-over.
Nobody has a perfect childhood. And its no excuse for him. I just can't believe he'd allow my grandmother to sit there, cry her eye's out when he had her money the whole time. He was with her when that went down. What kind of conscious does he have? And he always threw others under the bus - one time it was me and one time it was my cousin. Why me? Easy target. I smoke marijuana occasionally, and spent 95% of my time in the dorms drinking and smoking. My family isn't used to that. And my cousin dealt had drug issues 2 years ago, hes sober now, but my brother-in-law threw out the idea that my cousin was back on drugs and looking for cash. As far as we know, my cousin has never stolen but it was easily believable. Until now. We know it wasn't my cousin.
So, he destroyed the trust in the family over the coarse of 2 years. Its nothing breath-taking, but never had anything eye-opening like this happen. My grandfather (Opa) was in the military for over 25 years, and I know if he was still with us, he'd find my brother-in-law and beat him the s*** out of him. He did not put up with bulls*** especially when it came to money or family.
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how old is grandma?
you better watch it cause when you do report it, granny will get a guardian on that money and you will never see it again.
Shes 80. Whenever I get that old, I just want to be prescribed to weed and not to oxy or pills. That's all I say. Its sad. Shes has a pension (via my grandfather's military pension). Hope that doesn't happen.
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I just can't believe he'd allow my grandmother to sit there, cry her eye's out when he had her money the whole time. He was with her when that went down. What kind of conscious does he have?
he doesnt have one
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Kid I hate to say it but after 3 years worth of psych and child development classes, most psychological issues stem from childhood issues that haven't been resolved, just repressed.
after three years all you got is one of freud's least useful ideas? lol
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S*** hit the fan today. Me and my sis are no longer talking. That's too bad!
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Weird timing on how that happened. Maybe I'm thinking about it too much. But now that my sister is PUBLICLY saying shes back with him, it kinda bugs me.
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Sorry to hear it Kid, have you tried kicking him in the nuts?
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.Kid. posted:
deadcactus posted:
That doesn't sound like kleptomania.
And while the therapist may be terrible, I don't know why that's the first conclusion to jump to rather than thinking maybe the jackass who steals from his grandmother has convoluted the situation.
There's a difference between "You have childhood issues which you're dealing with through theft. Let's talk about that so you're aware of why you're doing these terrible things, when you're most susceptible, and how you can better control your behavior"
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"Your family is to blame. They MADE you steal. Don't talk to them anymore!"
I'd gamble he was told the former and twisted it to the latter to avoid feeling like the f--k up that he is...
I think part of it stems from my sister - she doesn't like my brother-in-law's side of the family, so, she essentially turned him against them, though, I'm sure his childhood wasn't perfect, which made him an easy push-over.
Nobody has a perfect childhood. And its no excuse for him. I just can't believe he'd allow my grandmother to sit there, cry her eye's out when he had her money the whole time. He was with her when that went down. What kind of conscious does he have? And he always threw others under the bus - one time it was me and one time it was my cousin. Why me? Easy target. I smoke marijuana occasionally, and spent 95% of my time in the dorms drinking and smoking. My family isn't used to that. And my cousin dealt had drug issues 2 years ago, hes sober now, but my brother-in-law threw out the idea that my cousin was back on drugs and looking for cash. As far as we know, my cousin has never stolen but it was easily believable. Until now. We know it wasn't my cousin.
So, he destroyed the trust in the family over the coarse of 2 years. Its nothing breath-taking, but never had anything eye-opening like this happen. My grandfather (Opa) was in the military for over 25 years, and I know if he was still with us, he'd find my brother-in-law and beat him the s*** out of him. He did not put up with bulls*** especially when it came to money or family.
i would beat the snot out of the guy and kick the sister out of the family for even going back with loser thief.
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Aethelgrin posted:
Sorry to hear it Kid, have you tried kicking him in the nuts?
I'd do SO much more than that! I haven't seen him in more than 2 months, but if I did see him again, I feel like I'd go to jail for assault. Knock him out COLD
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