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It was my salvation I was thinking of. I would sound the Horn, and lead the heroes of the Ages against Shayol Ghul. Surely that would have been enough to save me. No man can walk so long in the Shadow that he cannot come again to the Light. That is what they say. Surely that would have been enough to wash away what I have been, and done."
"Oh, Light, Ingtar." Rand released his hold on the other man and sagged back against the stable wall. "I think. . . . I think wanting to is enough. I think all you have to do is stop being . . . one of them." Ingtar flinched as if Rand had said it out. Darkfriend.
"Rand, when Verin brought us here with the Portal Stone, I - I lived other lives. Sometimes I held the Horn, but I never sounded it. I tried to escape what I'd become, but I never did. Always there was something else required of me, always something worse than the last, until I was . . . . You were ready to give it up to save a friend. Think not of glory. Oh, Light, help me."
Rand did not know what to say. It was as if Egwene had told him she had murdered children. Too horrible to be believed. Too horrible for anyone to admit to unless it was true. Too horrible.
After a time, Ingtar spoke again, firmly. "There has to be a price, Rand. There is always a price. Perhaps I can pay it here."
"Ingtar, I - â€
"It is every man's right, Rand, to choose when to Sheathe the Sword. Even one like me." Before Rand could say anything, Hurin came running down the alley. "The patrol turned aside," he said hurriedly, "down into the town. They seem to be gathering down there. Mat and Perrin went on." He took a quick look down the street and pulled back. "We'd better do the same, Lord Ingtar, Lord Rand. Those bug-headed Seanchan are almost here."
"Go, Rand," Ingtar said. He turned to face the street and did not look at Rand or Hurin again. "Take the Horn where it belongs. I always knew the Amyrlin should have given you the charge. But all I ever wanted was to keep Shienar whole, to keep us from being swept away and forgotten."
"I know, Ingtar." Rand drew a deep breath. "The Light shine on you, Lord Ingtar of House Shinowa, and may you shelter in the palm of the Creator's hand." He touched Ingtar's shoulder. "The last embrace of the mother welcome you home." Hurin gasped.
"Thank you," Ingtar said softly. A tension seemed to go out of him. For the first time since the night of the Trolloc raid on Fal Dara, he stood as he had when Rand first saw him, confident and relaxed. Content.
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Terry Goodkind?
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What was that, a WoW "fantasy novel"?!
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Robert Jordan - Wheel of Time, you maroons.. 
Last book inc later this year, FUKKEN FINALLY!
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FOR THE LIGHT, AND SHINOWA!
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saga was ruined when Rand turned from a borderline psychotic to a happy relaxed moron.. I wanted more murder and anger.
HEROES SHOULD NOT BE GOOD, THEY SHOULD BE NATURAL EVIL..
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Yep. I was drawn to the series because he was destined to go mad and break the world while saving it.
I've been rereading it though, and just finished book 2. Every action he makes is the right one, RJ just wrote in a line or two about him being unsure or nervous or ignorant or whatever.
His addition of ta'avern was brilliant though, it really shows how he is being pulled through the story even if he doesn't want to be.
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The books are more a chore that has to be done then anything I enjoy at this point.. The best thing that happened to the series was that Jordan croaked before he could expunge another 1000 page concerning the tea party of man hate and another 5 or 10 uninteresting women who does nothing to move the story forward..
I loved women before I started reading those books, now I resent them for everything!
Praise Thor for Brandon frikken Sanderson..
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My joke was not funneh....
Are you sure it wasn't one of the Xanth novels?
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Manegarm posted:
The books are more a chore that has to be done then anything I enjoy at this point.. The best thing that happened to the series was that Jordan croaked before he could expunge another 1000 page concerning the tea party of man hate and another 5 or 10 uninteresting women who does nothing to move the story forward..
I loved women before I started reading those books, now I resent them for everything!
Praise Thor for Brandon frikken Sanderson..
I got through 1-5 on my first read then just hit a wall on book 6, the sheer tedium of pages upon pages of badly written female charachters drinking tea getting upset with each other and pulling on thier hair made me want to vomit.
Started reading again when I found out Brandon was taking over the series, getting from book 5 to the first sanderson novel was a slog and a half, totally completely worth it for the new books though.
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Derasio posted:
Manegarm posted:
The books are more a chore that has to be done then anything I enjoy at this point.. The best thing that happened to the series was that Jordan croaked before he could expunge another 1000 page concerning the tea party of man hate and another 5 or 10 uninteresting women who does nothing to move the story forward..
I loved women before I started reading those books, now I resent them for everything!
Praise Thor for Brandon frikken Sanderson..
I got through 1-5 on my first read then just hit a wall on book 6, the sheer tedium of pages upon pages of badly written female charachters drinking tea getting upset with each other and pulling on thier hair made me want to vomit.
Started reading again when I found out Brandon was taking over the series, getting from book 5 to the first sanderson novel was a slog and a half, totally completely worth it for the new books though.
Yeah the new books actually did not make me want to climb the nearest tower with a high powered rifle and a bottle of whiskey.
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Have you guys tried the audiobook? I've read the series at least two or three times and this go-round I'm listening to it. The first two books are completely different listening to the two narrators. Hopefully it'll be so different that the tedious books aren't a drag. Either way, it'll be good for me to study so I don't make the same mistakes RJ did.
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Altra_Shadowstalker posted:
Have you guys tried the audiobook? I've read the series at least two or three times and this go-round I'm listening to it. The first two books are completely different listening to the two narrators. Hopefully it'll be so different that the tedious books aren't a drag. Either way, it'll be good for me to study so I don't make the same mistakes RJ did.
I slugged through the series before the first Sanderson book came out, it was less horrendous on audio book the narrators are really good.
Well having a far reaching plan and having the ends of all the plot lines and sticking to it will prevent you from the quagmire that Jordan created, that and not hating women will probably help too. I'd also recommend creating a few interesting characters and sticking to them with some side characters, and not creating a endless horde of faceless unimportant dead end characters.
Men should also avoid writing from the point of view of women, I've never read a fantasy author that could pull it off without them becoming some sort of androgynous hybrid or overly girlish and or annoying and bland.
edit: except Eddings he co-wrote with his wife and their female characters turned out really well.
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My books will span about 500-1000 years and will follow bloodlines and Houses. I'm still toying with the idea for reincarnation, at least for some characters.
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Terry Goodkind has a sick mind. Some shrinks should read his work and report back on it
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My books will span about 500-1000 years and will follow bloodlines and Houses. I'm still toying with the idea for reincarnation, at least for some characters.
Never liked that kind of story telling.. Raymond e Feist did that he created really good characters who died off by old age and was left replacing them with "reincarnations" that were basically the same but inferior.
A strong lead role that develops over time into something different is always fun, and I'm not talking orphan who ends up a demi-god but how his personality and outlook evolves because of the situations he is in and the choices he makes. If you create several characters none of them will have the depth and complexity of a well thought out single character.
RR Martin is like the only dude who managed to create a gross of well thought out characters that evolves individually some we hate at start and learn to love and some we just find is meh, but he's rather successful at it.. But it still makes his plots move tediously slow because they all have to evolve and have their place in time, right now it feels like no one is moving forward in that saga.. and it's stagnated and he's falling into the pace of Jordan.
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Terry Goodkind has a sick mind. Some shrinks should read his work and report back on it
Humanity is twisted, awful and dark Terry just tells it how it is..
Just watch how war is done in sudan with rape being used as a weapon, Terry if anything only tells the story of how humanity is he's actually very balanced his main characters are not goodie goodie but actual persons who have to make difficult choices to advance and win.
He's not cherry picking or painting us in a way that we aren't. Another good analyst of human behavior is Joe Abercrombie his books are good, less BDSM rape and such horrors but generally good characters and a good story.. try him Bonkie.
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Yeah, I know I've got to tread lightly, but the reincarnation line actually fits with the theme and background of the books. Plus, the story pretty much hinges on a long time-line, but I've done what I could to shorten the length and get around losing characters.
Plus, each book will have a main story line that intersects with a main character in the next book. Sometimes a main character in one book will come back as a side character in the next too. Not to mention, all stand-alone books have to have character development too, so I think I'll manage.
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Yeah, I know I've got to tread lightly, but the reincarnation line actually fits with the theme and background of the books. Plus, the story pretty much hinges on a long time-line, but I've done what I could to shorten the length and get around losing characters.
Plus, each book will have a main story line that intersects with a main character in the next book. Sometimes a main character in one book will come back as a side character in the next too. Not to mention, all stand-alone books have to have character development too, so I think I'll manage.
I hate it.. Character development is the most important part, then the story.. If you just jump from one character to the next the reader will probably not like it no matter how you twist it your first character will always be better then your later editions.
Not to mention that there is only so much originality, your characters might just merge into a androgynous blob of mediocrity because the writer often more or less personifies him or herself as the main character, the writers personality always infuses a character to a point until the character becomes a unique person in the writers mind and he or she starts to direct the character not on the basis of the writers personality but the personality that the character has evolved into.
Did I just make any sense at all?
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Yeah, I understand your concerns. I guess you won't read it then. 
You do read novels though, right? Not everything has to be a series.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarnations_of_Immortality
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Yeah, I understand your concerns. I guess you won't read it then.
You do read novels though, right? Not everything has to be a series.
Yeah I do, but nothing is better then a long series.. Problem there is quality.
All of Pratchetts books are more or less stand alone, but extremely well made.
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I've enjoyed those books for many years. I even settled into the habit of re-reading the series before each new release. Despite years of fixated enjoyment and a grasp on the content that lets me breeze through re-reads I can't look forward to the end. I think the story should have ended by now. It's as if the tense moments of story line and perfect wardrobe explaining paragraphs merged into a long walk, in circles, through the same swamp.
After what Rand's students did at the Well nothing in the world should have stood in their way.
"Oh did you hear about that Dragon Reborn guy's Army?" asks big bad guy.
"You mean the Dragon Reborn who is supposed to destroy our boss and has killed a bunch of us lately?" replies other bad guy or girl.
"Yea him, well the other day he had a hundred or so other men who could channel and they formed a big shield in the shape of a dome atop a hill and when thousands of enemies attacked them, as they were surrounded, they made the Earth turn into giant rolling waves forcing everything around the valley towards the shield!" exclaims the first Bad guy.
"Ok, so?" says the unimpressed bad guy or girl.
"Well!" says bad guy."Then some former mad False dragon working for Rand yelled Raise shield! Well the dome rose up a bit from the ground, not really enough room to get through easily and heads were exploding anytime someone tried getting in but, wait, here is where it gets good, the rolling waves of people had piled up on the dome by this time, so when the commander yelled ASHA'MAN KILL and invisible whirling blades popped up under all these tossed folks sliding down the dome.. Well, let me put it this way...
Most of the people inside the dome were puking their guts out in horror!"
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